Riley Cooper sorry for racial slur

[MotionMan]

If this is the case then so what? As a white person why should it bother me that it's not socially acceptable for me to use the word?

Because I hate hypocrisy and having black people (and other minions) all up in arms when a white man uses a word that the black community uses all the time, is hypocritical.

It bothers me that a white man and a black man could be standing next to each other, both say the exact same sentence (with the N-word), with the exact same intent and intonation, and, regardless of any other factors, one would be ostracized by society while the other would not register at all.

MotionMan

 

[surfsatwerk]

Because I hate hypocrisy and having black people (and other minions) all up in arms when a white man uses a word that the black community uses all the time, is hypocritical.

It bothers me that a white man and a black man could be standing next to each other, both say the exact same sentence (with the N-word), with the exact same intent and intonation, and, regardless of any other factors, one would be ostracized by society while the other would not register at all.

MotionMan

:hmm:

 

[dank69]

All the time. Why do you ask?

MotionMan

Your Honor, my client couldn't have robbed that old lady at 9am on Monday, July 1st because my client is ALWAYS at work at 9am on Mondays.

But counselor, the prosecution has submitted evidence proving that your client was not at work at all on Monday, July 1st.

Yes, your Honor, it's the exception that proves the rule.

I see. Well then, this case is dismissed.

 

[dank69]

You have your own personal boundaries. I'm asking if it would make you uncomfortable to hear someone refer to a degenerate in a particular race by that particular's races racial slur?

The only one I'm comfortable hearing is beloved patriot and white trash. The others I'd rather not hear.

I can't say that any of these terms would make me feel uncomfortable.

 

[MotionMan]

Your Honor, my client couldn't have robbed that old lady at 9am on Monday, July 1st because my client is ALWAYS at work at 9am on Mondays.

But counselor, the prosecution has submitted evidence proving that your client was not at work at all on Monday, July 1st.

Yes, your Honor, it's the exception that proves the rule.

I see. Well then, this case is dismissed.

Yeah, that's exactly how it works.

I think you are trying to get into matters that are above your pay grade. Let's stick to the matter at hand.

MotionMan

 

[dank69]

Because I hate hypocrisy and having black people (and other minions) all up in arms when a white man uses a word that the black community uses all the time, is hypocritical.

It bothers me that a white man and a black man could be standing next to each other, both say the exact same sentence (with the N-word), with the exact same intent and intonation, and, regardless of any other factors, one would be ostracized by society while the other would not register at all.

MotionMan

Is it possible for something said by one person to be more emotionally painful to another person than it would be if the exact same thing was said by another person?

 

[Hugo L.]

The western world needs to grow a thicker skin, and stop beng guilt-tripped by so-called «African-Americans» (who are actually Americans, period). No one would bat an eye if some ghetto black thug called a white man a cracka.

Was what he said nice? No. Does he need to face sanctions? Not anything more than what the public who indirectly pays his salary is willing to inflict.

 

[MotionMan]

Is it possible for something said by one person to be more emotionally painful to another person than it would be if the exact same thing was said by another person?

Do you mean when the ONLY difference between the people speaking is that one is white and one is black?

MotionMan

 

[dank69]

Yeah, that's exactly how it works.

I think you are trying to get into matters that are above your pay grade. Let's stick to the matter at hand.

MotionMan

I'm not the one throwing around ridiculously inapplicable cliches in a laughable attempt to support my position.

 

[dank69]

Do you mean when the ONLY difference between the people speaking is that one is white and one is black?

MotionMan

No.

 

[momeNt]

I can't say that any of these terms would make me feel uncomfortable.

Hmm. Interesting.

I doubt many would agree with you, if they were with a friend and that friend used a racial slur when telling a story about what someone of that race did or something, or worse, directed a racial slur at someone in public. You wouldn't feel the least bit uncomfortable? Is uncomfortable the wrong word? How would you feel.

 

[MotionMan]

I'm not the one throwing around ridiculously inapplicable cliches in a laughable attempt to support my position.

Nor am I. Just because you cannot understand something, does not mean it is a "ridiculously inapplicable cliche".

MotionMan

 

[dank69]

The western world needs to grow a thicker skin, and stop beng guilt-tripped by so-called «African-Americans» (who are actually Americans, period). No one would bat an eye if some ghetto black thug called a white man a cracka.

Was what he said nice? No. Does he need to face sanctions? Not anything more than what the public who indirectly pays his salary is willing to inflict.

The word "cracka" is a joke. The n-word is not.

 

[MotionMan]

No.

Then your question has nothing to do with what we are discussing, and the answer would not move the conversation forward in any way.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

The word "cracka" is a joke. The n-word is not.

If white people banded together and made it clear that the term "cracka" was highly offensive and caused white people great distress when said by black people, would it be ok for black people to keep using it?

MotionMan

 

[QueBert]

If white people banded together and made it clear that the term "cracka" was highly offensive and caused white people great distress when said by black people, would it be ok for black people to keep using it?

MotionMan

Yes, because there's absolutely no history behind the word. White people weren't lynched and set on fire by blacks while being called a cracka.

 

[momeNt]

The word "cracka" is a joke. The n-word is not.

You just haven't been wounded by the word.

As early as the 1760s, this term was in use by the upper class planters in the British North American colonies to refer to Scots-Irish and English settlers in the south, most of whom were descendants of English bond servants. A letter to the Earl of Dartmouth reads:


"I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode."

Source: Wikipedia

Bitch at one time was rooted in misogyny, there is increasing efforts by the gay community to turn lovely human into bitch. The same could be done with n-word, it will just take time.

 

[dank69]

Nor am I. Just because you cannot understand something, does not mean it is a "ridiculously inapplicable cliche".

MotionMan

I don't understand it? Here, counselor, why don't you head over to wikipedia to have your ass handed to you since they do a better job of explaining it than I can. For reference, you used it in the least correct way:

Serious nonsense
"It will rain on my birthday, it always does."
"It didn't rain last year."
"But the exception proves the rule."

The first speaker in this example has confused the meaning of the phrase, apparently believing that any exception to any rule "proves" the rule true; in this case, the notion that "the exception proves the rule in cases not excepted" is neither implied nor understood by the speaker.

Let's look at how you used it:

Except black people take offense when white people use it in any context. So....

Artie Lange used it and nobody was offended. (paraphrased for clarity)

The exception that proves the rule.

Ironically, he is talking about exactly what we are.

MotionMan

In case it still isn't clear, you are spouting SERIOUS NONSENSE. You are the confused speaker.

Oh, and fuck you and your pay grade.

 

[MotionMan]

Yes, because there's absolutely no history behind the word. White people weren't lynched and set on fire by blacks while being called a cracka.

Are you sure about that? I rather not search for and post news stories about black on white violence, but can we agree that it has occurred?

How about the word "beloved patriot". Shouldn't that word be banned in our society and blocked by the forum software? Is being killed in gas chambers and ovens, as well as being used for medical experiments qualify the Jews for a little dictionary purging?

MotionMan

 

[slayer202]

What I understand about the use of the word is irrelevant.

Do you believe that society treats the use of the N-word by a white person differently if it is used in a non-derogatory context versus a derogatory context?

MotionMan

Yes.

But the usage by non-blacks in non-derogatory or less-derogatory ways are so limited and never in the public eye/used by celebrities. There are no universal laws here...I think you're trying to fight a battle that doesn't exist

 

[HomerJS]

I just heard a news clip by Jim Rhome - ESPN. Cooper was pissed because security guard woulldn't let him backstage.

In that context pretty racist.

 

[dank69]

Are you sure about that? I rather not search for and post news stories about black on white violence, but can we agree that it has occurred?

How about the word "beloved patriot". Shouldn't that word be banned in our society and blocked by the forum software? Is being killed in gas chambers and ovens, as well as being used for medical experiments qualify the Jews for a little dictionary purging?

MotionMan

Is your beef with society in general or this forum specifically? It must be the latter since you can't stop bringing up how this forum blocks the n-word.

 

[MotionMan]

I don't understand it? Here, counselor, why don't you head over to wikipedia to have your ass handed to you since they do a better job of explaining it than I can. For reference, you used it in the least correct way:



Let's look at how you used it:


Oh, and fuck you and your pay grade.

The reason why it was the exception that proves the rule is that, in his comedy act, he was using the fact that a white person using the N-word is shocking/not allowed to make his joke. People did not get upset (exception to the rule) because they got the joke (context). It is much like your statement that it is ok for a white person to use the N-word when discussing the N-word.

If it was not the rule, and without the exception, the joke would not be funny. Thus, the exception proved the rule.

MotionMan

 

[dank69]

You just haven't been wounded by the word.

Source: Wikipedia

Bitch at one time was rooted in misogyny, there is increasing efforts by the gay community to turn lovely human into bitch. The same could be done with n-word, it will just take time.

You are reaching to the point of absurdity.

 

[QueBert]

Are you sure about that? I rather not search for and post news stories about black on white violence, but can we agree that it has occurred?

How about the word "beloved patriot". Shouldn't that word be banned in our society and blocked by the forum software? Is being killed in gas chambers and ovens, as well as being used for medical experiments qualify the Jews for a little dictionary purging?

MotionMan

There's a book sitting on my end table by my couch called Without Sanctuary, it's full of pictures from the 1900's of black people being lynched. It shows post cards that were made out of these pics, it shows white people having parties while there are black people hanging directly behind them. Some were set on fire, I'm imagine probably while still alive. While I'm sure you'd love to apply your desire here and dig up a few random news stories of white people being called a cracka while they were killed by black people. I assure you, there's no possible way the 2 situations are anywhere near comparable.

And while you have to be trolling, I'll play along like you're being serious. I've never heard the word beloved patriot used by a non racist person. Please point me to examples of non racist people using it in every day conversations in a non racial way. beloved patriot isn't an acceptable word to use, if you think otherwise I don't know what to tell you exactly.