RIM death watch

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rockyct

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Not even 6 months and they are down $1B in cash and you keep claiming they can survive?

They are just preparing themselves to be bought out at this point. I don't think they're trying hard to develop anything new. The major tech companies are just circling overhead at this point waiting for them to run out of cash.
 

Scotteq

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They are just preparing themselves to be bought out at this point. I don't think they're trying hard to develop anything new. The major tech companies are just circling overhead at this point waiting for them to run out of cash.

Leveraged buyouts use the company's own cash... Just saying...
 

rockyct

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Leveraged buyouts use the company's own cash... Just saying...

Yeah, but I think they're basically waiting for RIM to get a bit more desperate. When you have a giant pile of cash on hand, you have people like Ihatemyjob saying that they can still turn the company around. That goes out the window when sales are crap and they are out of money.
 

raildogg

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I have had my Blackberry Torch (the newer model) for a couple of years and it has been excellent. The flipout physical keyboard is just excellent to type on, the backlit on it is very good, the screen is good and the phone has a certain heft to it. Just a great phone that I will keep for a while longer if it stays working.
 

Imp

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How are you going to spin todays news?

The stock is up like 15% today, so clearly investors are hopeful, and the posted loss today was significantly less than the estimate loss. It's good to bleed the company early so that it can prosper later -- best move by the new CEO possible.

The fact that 75% of sales were BB7 devices and not Q10/Z10/Z30 is even stronger evidence that BB is long lasting with deep marketing penetration. Whereas Apple has to release one device after another on an annual or less basis, BB can and is still selling >1 year old technology. And didn't you see? They signed up over 1 million BBM users last quarter.


And scene.

That about sums up everything I read today in comments sections by loyal defenders.
 

shortylickens

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My moms law firm is probably going to need a migration soon. What kind of enterprise solution is good for about 200 lawyers and paralegals?
 
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My moms law firm is probably going to need a migration soon. What kind of enterprise solution is good for about 200 lawyers and paralegals?

They should create a matrix of concerns they have, take the options, analyses them and decide. Or just greenlight whatever the CEO wants.
 

olds

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I work for a large agency that is going from Blackberry to the iphone. I am sure it's thousands of phones.
 

senseamp

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I would wait for John Chen to clarify his OS strategy. If it's switching to Android and dropping in house QNX development, then, combined with their Foxconn manufacturing shift, they could run a lean enough business to stem the bleeding, and get the full app ecosystem benefits of Android. Once they reduce their fixed costs, they can be valued above where they sit based on their assets.
 
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I would wait for John Chen to clarify his OS strategy. If it's switching to Android and dropping in house QNX development, then, combined with their Foxconn manufacturing shift, they could run a lean enough business to stem the bleeding, and get the full app ecosystem benefits of Android. Once they reduce their fixed costs, they can be valued above where they sit based on their assets.

They are staying with BB10. They went with BB10 for a reason. Moving to Android would mean that there is no differentiation for their phone in the smartphone market. It would just be one of about 150 brands worldwide that make Android.

QNX is not just the phone. It is used for embedded systems. They will not exit that market. BB10 is not QNX. What I think you meant is that you think that they should stop BB10 development. I think Chen made a comment that made it clear that this is not happening.

It sounds like they are going to make some low end phones via Foxconn for emerging markets. That's what the two canceled phones are. It is somewhat unclear how many phones are coming in 2014 based on comments made so far. It's either 3 or 4 and 2 of those are for emerging markets. The other two are probably a Q10 refresh and a Zxx refresh or full screen slider. Don't expect snapdragon 800s though.

As for Android, the phone already runs android apps. Rumor has it that Google Play is coming in January. Yes, Google would have to change the terms and services for that but it could happen. Some say that they have seen it working on employee phones and it is the reason that no leaked OSes came out for a long period of time (till just recently). Right now though, you can sideload the Amazon app store app for Andorid and download any free app onto a BB10 phone and it will install and run. There is one other store app for Android that works. And people have started to write native BB10 apps to download/install apps from Android stores. Works for free apps. With the latest leak, I have been reading that every app people are trying to run works. The benefits are largely Netflix and paid apps. Netflix is going to HTML5 though, so BB10 will run Netflix movies natively soon enough (via web browser).

And they are not longer focusing on teh consumer. They are now prioritized on the enterprise market and emerging markets.

Chen is a breath of fresh air. I didn't realize how bad Thorsten Heins was. heins did good for the first half of his tenure but should have probably been replaced 6 months ago.
 
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senseamp

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They are staying with BB10. They went with BB10 for a reason. Moving to Android would mean that there is no differentiation for their phone in the smartphone market. It would just be one of about 150 brands worldwide that make Android.

QNX is not just the phone. It is used for embedded systems. They will not exit that market. BB10 is not QNX. What I think you meant is that you think that they should stop BB10 development. I think Chen made a comment that made it clear that this is not happening.

It sounds like they are going to make some low end phones via Foxconn for emerging markets. That's what the two canceled phones are. It is somewhat unclear how many phones are coming in 2014 based on comments made so far. It's either 3 or 4 and 2 of those are for emerging markets. The other two are probably a Q10 refresh and a Zxx refresh or full screen slider. Don't expect snapdragon 800s though.

As for Android, the phone already runs android apps. Rumor has it that Google Play is coming in January. Yes, Google would have to change the terms and services for that but it could happen. Some say that they have seen it working on employee phones and it is the reason that no leaked OSes came out for a long period of time (till just recently). Right now though, you can sideload the Amazon app store app for Andorid and download any free app onto a BB10 phone and it will install and run. There is one other store app for Android that works. And people have started to write native BB10 apps to download/install apps from Android stores. Works for free apps. With the latest leak, I have been reading that every app people are trying to run works. The benefits are largely Netflix and paid apps. Netflix is going to HTML5 though, so BB10 will run Netflix movies natively soon enough (via web browser).

And they are not longer focusing on teh consumer. They are now prioritized on the enterprise market and emerging markets.

Chen is a breath of fresh air. I didn't realize how bad Thorsten Heins was. heins did good for the first half of his tenure but should have probably been replaced 6 months ago.

Yes, they should ditch BB10 (which is a version of QNX) and go with Android. No point reinventing the bicycle. They need to run lean. BB10 development is a fixed cost. No need to pay it when Android is free and open source. They can take it and add Blackberry only features to differentiate. Blackberry can be the enterprise Android vendor. Blackberry's value add is in the enterprise features, not their OS. They should focus their resources where they add value instead of replicating work that's available for free. I would need to see this shift in strategy before I would invest in BBRY, and it doesn't look like John Chen is ready to do it. Granted, he could just be saying that he's committed to BB10 because if he came out and said they were going to dump it, it would cause a near term financial disaster since customers wouldn't buy BB10 stuff.
 

Imp

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I would wait for John Chen to clarify his OS strategy. If it's switching to Android and dropping in house QNX development, then, combined with their Foxconn manufacturing shift, they could run a lean enough business to stem the bleeding, and get the full app ecosystem benefits of Android. Once they reduce their fixed costs, they can be valued above where they sit based on their assets.

Then they're just another HTC, Nokia, Motorola, or LG... Those companies are still alive, so I guess it could work.
 

jpiniero

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They need to run lean. BB10 development is a fixed cost. No need to pay it when Android is free and open source. They can take it and add Blackberry only features to differentiate. Blackberry can be the enterprise Android vendor.

That's what RIMM should have done, but that's water under the bridge. It's too late to try this.
 

theevilsharpie

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They went with BB10 for a reason.

They went with BB10 because of incredibly poor judgement.

They are staying with BB10....What I think you meant is that you think that they should stop BB10 development. I think Chen made a comment that made it clear that this is not happening.

BB10 is done. It failed miserably in the marketplace, and Blackberry has nothing on their roadmap that is going to fundamentally alter its position. Unless Blackberry can find someone willing to license BB10 (unlikely, given that Android is freely available), the only further investment in BB10 will be the minimum maintenance required to honor existing contractual obligations, and whatever development is required to get BB10 functioning with their enterprise software offerings.

Rumor has it that Google Play is coming in January.

Lulz.

And people have started to write native BB10 apps to download/install apps from Android stores.

Lulz.

Netflix is going to HTML5 though, so BB10 will run Netflix movies natively soon enough (via web browser).

Lulz.
 

shortylickens

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They should create a matrix of concerns they have, take the options, analyses them and decide. Or just greenlight whatever the CEO wants.

the IT department is the one place their CEO doesnt boss around. He knows enough to listen to them and think about the greater good.
 

Imp

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Pentagon ordered 80,000 units... Not bad for a company that used to ship 1 few million units per quarter (was it >10M?)?

Stock's up to about $11... but it went up to $17 or $18 last time and went down to $5.
 
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