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Ichinisan

Lifer
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I don't know anything about MobileMe. Isn't that a desktop syncing tool? I believe all Exchange syncing is done via ActiveSync.

Apple seems to get some things confused. I think the MM Control Panel doesn't have much to do with cloud synching. The Apple Software Update utility keeps trying to get me to install it and the feature list implies it's for centrally deploying / managing iPhones.
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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Has anyone done a formal evaluation of RIM's stock recently? I'm wondering if I should take the time to - I love investing when companies go down.

Nope, but I think there's still a long way down. Playbook sales figures, and next quarter reports with high costs due to deployment of the Playbook will likely drive the stock further down.

The main reason the stock went rose to $~65 from $48 last October was because of the Playbook. It never quite recovered fully since the 2008/2009 crash. Now the PB may be okay, but it's not "all that".
 

Eos

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Jun 14, 2000
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Interesting. The wife's new employer is giving her a Blackberry tomorrow for when she's on call.
 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
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I read some PlayBook reviews, many of which called it all but a total failure, despite decent hardware and OS.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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Not saying it's not useful, but can someone tell me what these e-mail apps are and how they help?

I just use hotmail, gmail and yahoo by going to the website. I know I'm totally missing something, just don't know what. Never bothered to learn/inquire.


Ya, reviews look pretty meh. Using Xoom as an indicator, can't expect much sales-wise. Maybe slightly more because of brand loyalty and the commercial market. Then again, why not just get everyone a fully functional 10-12" Thinkpad or Macbook Air?

Before I had my phone hacked to integrate Google Voice SMS messages with my iPhone's native text messaging, I used it to avoid paying for a texting plan. When someone texted my GV number, I got it as an email. I'd get an instant chime when I set up my GMAIL as an Exchange server with push support. I could reply to the email to text back. It would show up as a threaded conversation and worked in real-time. You can't do that with webmail.
 

Imp

Lifer
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Interesting. The wife's new employer is giving her a Blackberry tomorrow for when she's on call.

Hope it's a new one. Managers/supervisors who get issued one are "so busy" they usually take a break with it in the can. *shuddes*
 

Eos

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Interesting. The wife's new employer is giving her a Blackberry tomorrow for when she's on call.

Hope it's a new one. Managers/supervisors who get issued one are "so busy" they usually take a break with it in the can. *shuddes*

I'll make sure she has some anti-everything wipes for delivery. :biggrin:
 

3chordcharlie

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playbook 500 bucks Asus Transformer 399

hello, Asus for me, Playbook is a failure.

The first 10 minutes out of the box, PB is brilliant. It being a direct extension of your phone is fantastic, the hardware itself is very, very good.

Then you try to 'do something' and a little message window pops up saying 'There's no App for that (tm).' Maybe in a few months it's going to be workable, but for now it's a big disappointment except as a mobile presentation tool.

I could definitely see a lecturer or sales person using one right now but not most people.

Mine is going back to Future Shop.
 

sjwaste

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Hope it's a new one. Managers/supervisors who get issued one are "so busy" they usually take a break with it in the can. *shuddes*

At least with an Android phone, you can play some RBI Baseball or NHL '94 on the can.
 

intogamer

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Dec 5, 2004
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BB is still, technologically, the best corporate solution. The device can be fully encrypted, for one. The integration with corporate email is also second to none.

The reason they're losing, though, is that the price differential is simply getting too large. I realize there are a lot of armchair IT folks here, myself included, but you'd be surprised when you see what it costs to deploy BES, handsets, and all of the licensing costs involved. RIM has pushed corporate to the point where they're looking at other devices, especially Exchange + Windows Phone/Windows Mobile, as "good enough" given the price point.

You do need to step back and separate the technology and its costs for the bigger picture. Corporations have deep pockets as a general rule, but the large ones don't spend stupidly. IT is a cost center at most, and every dollar spent there is a dollar that can't go toward marketing, sales, and the product.

RIM isn't dead, but they need to focus on becoming a better value. I guarantee your corporate IT decisionmakers do not care one bit whether the handheld device is the coolest, latest thing. They do care that it's secure, stable, and user-friendly, because security breaches, product downtime/replacement, and support are all major cost drivers.

Apple is on that path. MobileMe locks/wipes the iphone.
 

Goosemaster

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Apr 10, 2001
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Apple is on that path. MobileMe locks/wipes the iphone.

On the path but not even close to the Wizard of Oz temple at the end. Endpoint Security and management are the two things RIM has going for it and no one comes close to it right now.
 

Pliablemoose

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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Has anyone done a formal evaluation of RIM's stock recently? I'm wondering if I should take the time to - I love investing when companies go down.

They have a way to go before it's a buy, no compelling phones for some time, matter of fact, till they produce a QNX phone with good reviews, I wouldn't consider RIMM except as a short...
 

Pliablemoose

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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Ouch, looks like another 15%.

Some Chinese company will try to buy them next, and that'll be the end of them.
 
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SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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Before I had my phone hacked to integrate Google Voice SMS messages with my iPhone's native text messaging, I used it to avoid paying for a texting plan. When someone texted my GV number, I got it as an email. I'd get an instant chime when I set up my GMAIL as an Exchange server with push support. I could reply to the email to text back. It would show up as a threaded conversation and worked in real-time. You can't do that with webmail.

Wow, someone with an iPhone who actually did something clever. Nice job.
 

KingstonU

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Since the iPhone was released in 2007. How many modern touchscreen devices has a company like HTC released to compete with it? 50??? RIM has released: the Storm (Failure), the Torch (mild success) and the Playbook (failure)... so 3 devices to HTC's 50. They've had years to realize that they needed to update their designs, and simply haven't.
 

Cal166

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Research In Motion has not executed their Playbook well. Earnings not so Bold. Looks like they are behind the Curve and in terms of Style. The Torch has been passed on to other competitors. Will they be able to weather the Storm?
 

Gibson486

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Research In Motion has not executed their Playbook well. Earnings not so Bold. Looks like they are behind the Curve and in terms of Style. The Torch has been passed on to other competitors. Will they be able to weather the Storm?

this made my day.
 

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Research In Motion has not executed their Playbook well. Earnings not so Bold. Looks like they are behind the Curve and in terms of Style. The Torch has been passed on to other competitors. Will they be able to weather the Storm?

They won't find the Pearl anytime soon with current portfolio that's for sure.
 

Deeko

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Jun 16, 2000
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Since the iPhone was released in 2007. How many modern touchscreen devices has a company like HTC released to compete with it? 50??? RIM has released: the Storm (Failure), the Torch (mild success) and the Playbook (failure)... so 3 devices to HTC's 50. They've had years to realize that they needed to update their designs, and simply haven't.

You can rip their phone sales, but you really can't call the PlayBook a failure. 500k sales in two months, with only the US WIFI version being available is actually pretty impressive. Its done well.
 

Imp

Lifer
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You can rip their phone sales, but you really can't call the PlayBook a failure. 500k sales in two months, with only the US WIFI version being available is actually pretty impressive. Its done well.

People are probably picking on the word "shipped". A couple hundred thousand may just be sitting in a warehouse somewhere, or in the "returns" cage at a slight discount.

Hope app developers don't decide to second-guess developing for the Playbook. Otherwise, hope the Android emulator works well.
 

Ns1

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Jun 17, 2001
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You can rip their phone sales, but you really can't call the PlayBook a failure. 500k sales in two months, with only the US WIFI version being available is actually pretty impressive. Its done well.

shipped =/= sales
 

Deeko

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shipped =/= sales

I believe an analyst estimated that about 50-60% those were actually sold, which still isn't that bad. And frankly, people like to whine and moan about shipped numbers, but thats what ALL the manufacturers use these days....and you know what? From RIM's side, shipped DOES equal sales. They sold it to the store. In the words of Charlie Sheen, "I've already got your money dude."
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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I believe an analyst estimated that about 50-60% those were actually sold, which still isn't that bad. And frankly, people like to whine and moan about shipped numbers, but thats what ALL the manufacturers use these days....and you know what? From RIM's side, shipped DOES equal sales. They sold it to the store. In the words of Charlie Sheen, "I've already got your money dude."

The difference is we have a gazillion articles claiming high playbook/xoom returns + inventory on shelf, which is not the case with samsung/apple/asus.

and it's not the same cuz stores can and do return unsold stock to manufacturers. so no, RIM doesn't "already have [their] money"
 
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