Riots in Belgium because of Innocence of Muslims

[Geosurface]

erm, many muslims here in Europe are refugees that we can't turn away and can't get rid off again because of international conventions. these people are usually also the most radical, isn't that just swell.

Then how about deporting them to the kingdom of Allah?

 

[Orignal Earl]

you are the troll of trolls aren't you.

Ya, it is starting to look that way..
I know if I posted at Stormfront, I would get the same reaction.
Before the rise of all these Right wing IT terrorists here at AT, I seemed to fit in ok

 

[poohbear]

Whats ridiculous is they're protesting a stupid movie while tens of thousands of muslims are being killed in Syria. Brilliant set of priorities.

The same arguements europeans are having to their muslim immigrants are the same arguements americans are having about latino immigrants or Japanese are having about chinese immigrants. Same old story, when u travel enough u see the same nonsense everywhere....the immigrants are'nt being integrated they say. But really its just simple in group out group psychology & its the way humans think. Get over urselves.

 

[freegeeks]

I just watched a press interview of the girl that made the sexual harassment of women in Brussels film and then the entire film. You can see it here -

Sexual Harassment Of Women In Brussels

The film delves quite deeply into the cultural mind set of the offensive behaviors. Well worth watching in its entirety to gain context.

Europe, to a much greater extent than the US or Canada, is facing significant choices on how to deal with the growth of Muslim immigrant populations that do not accept Western liberalism or Western cultural standards. A film like this brings home how little of this is a religious difference - it is really how far apart these populations are culturally.

The imposition of sharia or sharia-tolerant laws is guaranteed to reinforce the behaviors shown in the movie and worse.

It really is a stark choice. Is Europe ready to make a stand for its own values?

I can only say one thing, Belgians are very docile but we will NEVER accept stuff like sharia.

 

[Geosurface]

I can only say one thing, Belgians are very docile but we will NEVER accept stuff like sharia.

Let's hope such a direct sampling of what the Muslim culture has to offer in it's wondrous diversity will be enough to reawaken some European testicles once it gets to a certain point.

And let us hope that that point does not lay beyond the point of no return.

 

[freegeeks]

Ya, it is starting to look that way..
I know if I posted at Stormfront, I would get the same reaction.
Before the rise of all these Right wing IT terrorists here at AT, I seemed to fit in ok

look at the documentary (PJABBER posted it for your convenience), and make up your mind if this is some kind of extreme right racist documentary

Sticking your head in the sand is EXACTLY what got us to where we are now, just pretend that there is no problem like we have been doing for 30 years because it is the political correct thing to do.

I live here so I see every day that it's getting worse, my country has changed so much in the last 15 years, you can not believe it

 

[Orignal Earl]

look at the documentary (PJABBER posted it for your convenience), and make up your mind if this is some kind of extreme right racist documentary

Sticking your head in the sand is EXACTLY what got us to where we are now, just pretend that there is no problem like we have been doing for 30 years because it is the political correct thing to do.

I live here so I see every day that it's getting worse, my country has changed so much in the last 15 years, you can not believe it

That's exactly what Hitler told the Germans about the Jews

 

[Broheim]

Then how about deporting them to the kingdom of Allah?

I wish we could, but we already have the european union crawling so far up our asses we can taste the pointless bureaucracy.

 

[PJABBER]

erm, many muslims here in Europe are refugees that we can't turn away and can't get rid off again because of international conventions. these people are usually also the most radical, isn't that just swell.

It would be a hugely difficult task to repatriate the populations that are in Europe right now.

However, if the problem were taken seriously enough, the EU and individual countries can definitely stop or reduce further inflows.

Strong border security, forced repatriation of illegals, all can be done, but it will take a much stronger will than seems probable with so many in Europe still enamored with multiculturalism.

The individual European countries have distinct national identities. They should each take a hardline approach toward integrating the immigrant populations they have let in.

This should include mandatory cultural classes, a mandate for language classes, strict prosecution of criminal actions, criminalization and an encouragement of reporting of abuses that stem from medieval sharia practices (ie clitorectomies, forced marriages, etc.) Even "take back the night" style street patrols and public shaming of those who indulge in sexual harassment would help raise awareness.

No one should expect these approaches will go smoothly. Many neighborhoods have transformed with unmanaged immigration into Islamic ghettos with rampant unemployment, no prospects for jobs or education, really not much different than you will find in slums in Cairo.

The Muslim immigrant population, legal and illegal, have decided that they want to be separate but equal, at least until they gain the upper hand through legal agitation for recognition of sharia and an unrestrained birth rate, so I would fully expect that integration will be very, very difficult.

You only have to watch the groveling of European apologists to get the sense that it will take a political sea-change to reverse the tide -

European Union apologizes for offense to Muslims

 

[Geosurface]

Puppies!

 

[freegeeks]

That's exactly what Hitler told the Germans about the Jews

dude you are useless, seriously

apparantly you think that a woman that just walks on the street can be called a whore and be sexually intimidated all the time

I hope it's not happening with your wife / daughter

 

[PJABBER]

look at the documentary (PJABBER posted it for your convenience), and make up your mind if this is some kind of extreme right racist documentary

Sticking your head in the sand is EXACTLY what got us to where we are now, just pretend that there is no problem like we have been doing for 30 years because it is the political correct thing to do.

I live here so I see every day that it's getting worse, my country has changed so much in the last 15 years, you can not believe it

Earl is the perfect example of someone that has adopted a position of accommodation and no amount of information or discussion will change his mind.

He lives in Canada and has no personal exposure to the abuses which are discussed here, so he counsels acceptance over and over.

He believes he is principled, but what is striking is that he is so sure of himself that he cannot bear to examine his own beliefs.

He will not watch the news stories or the documentaries or read the stories or even engage in discussions that might open his eyes to how different the world is from his preconceived vision.

So he poses questions that he thinks are challenges, but they are deflections at best from serious examinations of events and trends.

Earl is the perfect example of voluntary dhimmitude in this forum.

 

[davmat787]

Ya, it is starting to look that way..
I know if I posted at Stormfront, I would get the same reaction.
Before the rise of all these Right wing IT terrorists here at AT, I seemed to fit in ok

Just because one is not a Muslim apologist and quick with the false equivalencies does not make one a terrorist! You seem to have zero middle ground, either you grovel at their feet or attack and erroneously label anyone who wishes to have a discussion on the legitimate issues of today.

Your nazi comment of the other day put to rest any shred of credibility you may have had left.

You accuse others of being afraid, when it is YOU who are so afraid of being labeled politically incorrect that it freezes your brain from having any rational discussion.

Not to mention you comment the the other day regarding criminal action against the movie, which demonstrated total ignorance to the laws and values of the US. Which of course is perfectly acceptable, you are from a different country. But that also means you should get off your high and mighty high horse.

It is of course intellectually easier, and lazier, to just wish the problem away and call anyone with a differing opinion racist or scared or whatever other BS you will come up with.

But have a great day!

 

[Geosurface]

PJABBER and davmat787 hit the nail on the head.

Earl prizes his self image as an enlightened, tolerant non-racist above all else.

 

[OCGuy]

Does anyone else just want to start ignoring this Earl guy? He is the only whacko on this board even defending fundie Islamics (to be fair that is only because LL is not here).

 

[PJABBER]

I can only say one thing, Belgians are very docile but we will NEVER accept stuff like sharia.

You are wrong. Belgians are already moving toward legal acceptance of sharia under the guise of tolerance and multiculturalism.

Islamic Sharia Law Court Opens in Belgium

Belgistan? Sharia Showdown Looms in Brussels

The ever growing Muslim community is pushing for sharia on many fronts. Remember that Islam is an authoritarian political doctrine more than it is a religion.

Islam in Belgium : Muslims want Sharia

 

[Orignal Earl]

lol
My fan club
Oh and I don't support fundie Islamics, I support Muslims

 

[Geosurface]

Muffins!

 

[OCGuy]

By killing them wouldn't we actually be doing them and ourselves a massive favor? We'd be sending them to glorious paradise with Allah and possibly 72 virgins depending on the exact circumstances of their death... and we'd be leaving the mortal world to us infidel scum who really don't deserve heaven and won't go there anyway right?

Seems like a win win.

Careful, this Earl guy will assume you are talking about ALL muslims, just so he can play the race card.

 

[PJABBER]

lol
My fan club
Oh and I don't support fundie Islamics, I support Muslims

You haven't bothered to view any of the links that have been posted.

Please explain the distinctions that you see and point us to some substantive confirming references.

 

[davmat787]

PJABBER and davmat787 hit the nail on the head.

Earl prizes his self image as an enlightened, tolerant non-racist above all else.

Lol, I wrote out my comment right after Earl's post #10, I did not know there were so many others in the same vein.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Careful, this Earl guy will assume you are talking about ALL muslims, just so he can play the race card.

what a pathetic bunch to allow their faith to be shook so deeply by the mere word of mortals.

Charles Martel cries for Europe and Western Civilization. Our time is up.

Yeah muslims like young boys, how well did you get to know them?

Muslims do not have "just as much of a right" to be in western countries, they do not share the values, they did not contribute to the development of the civilization there.

Do you want me to post more?
There is thousands here

 

[freegeeks]

You are wrong. Belgians are already moving toward legal acceptance of sharia under the guise of tolerance and multiculturalism.

Islamic Sharia Law Court Opens in Belgium

Belgistan? Sharia Showdown Looms in Brussels

The ever growing Muslim community is pushing for sharia on many fronts. Remember that Islam is an authoritarian political doctrine more than it is a religion.

Islam in Belgium : Muslims want Sharia

Half of the members of Sharia4Belgium, who started this sharia court are in jail. The court is not recognized at all. It's like me starting the Flying Spaghetti Monster court, it's not because I say I started it, that it means something. For the record, there are no officially recognized sharia courts and they are most certainly not accepted by the locals, heck, the majority of the muslims in Belgium dont want them

 

[Geosurface]

What is a test that could be administered to prove a Muslim in the west was the sort worthy of keeping around? Something that no crazy Muslim would ever do... eat bacon? burn a Koran? Draw Muhammad?

Maybe such a test to prove they don't take the religion too seriously could be administered to any who wished to remain, and any who wouldn't do it would be deported or "deported"

 

[PJABBER]

Half of the members of Sharia4Belgium, who started this sharia court are in jail. The court is not recognized at all. It's like me starting the Flying Spaghetti Monster court, it's not because I say I started it, that it means something. For the record, there are no officially recognized sharia courts and they are most certainly not accepted by the locals, heck, the majority of the muslims in Belgium dont want them

These types of courts are run in parallel to regular court systems.

They are initially emplaced to facilitate sharia as it applies to social institutions such as marriage and divorce, child custody and child support, as well as all inheritance-related matters.

Subjugation to their edicts is generally self imposed by immigrant communities that do not speak the adopted country language and/or do not recognize the national civil governance and opt for this alternative.

I'll take your word that this particular court was shut down, but I could only find stories that it was established and not that it was shuttered.

These courts often function in the shadows, not recognized by the civil legal system, so if it were legally shut down it does not mean that it does not continue to function.