RIP Gamers, not even the 1080 Ti will save you now.

[[DHT]Osiris]

This isn't funny anymore

That represents ~$8k/mo at current valuation, give or take a grand or two. 5ish month turnaround assuming he burned 1k per, prices don't change, and he didn't spend too much on misc equip. Also, assuming he actually has the power capacity for those and doesn't burn his place down

 

[snoopy7548]

It seems cheaper to just buy a pre-built PC with a 1080ti and sell the parts on eBay. I think I saw a pre-built yesterday with an MSI GTX 1080ti, i7-8700, 16GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Gigabyte Z370 mobo, and 512GB SSD for around $1400.

 

[nitromullet]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/22/amd...stop-cryptominers-from-causing-shortages.html

Interesting little opinion piece to show up on cnbc.com. Makes a valid point here though:

Gamers may resort to buying more powerful consoles such as the recently released Xbox One X

I have an Xbox One X en route to me currently, and I'll be hanging onto my GTX 1070 for the time being as well. I'll have to see how gpu pricing shakes out and how much I like the X when it's time to upgrade to see if I stay a PC gamer.

 

[sze5003]

This isn't funny anymore

These people need to be stopped. Sure you can mine and I'm not against anyone doing it but come on, this is ridiculous. Can't wait for that bubble to burst. My coworker came up asked me what gpu he should get.

I told him none because none are worth that you see online for pricing.

 

[zinfamous]

Asus ROG Strix Vega 64 on sale at Newegg for $1299. Get it while it’s hot!

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E1...0446076&PID=6163686&SID=jcsdiz7t09011rh100053

holy crap, still in stock! awful, awful price, though.

 

[UsandThem]

holy crap, still in stock! awful, awful price, though.

Must have gotten more in. I checked the link a few hours later after seeing it last night, and it was sold out. Newegg only had the $1399.99 Powercolor version available.

 

[ElFenix]

Eh... until about 9-12 months ago, NV was considered 'garbage' for mining, it wasn't until what, about 6mo ago that they kinda took off with Eth? I've been mining for ~12mo on 1080ti's mind you, but it was basically established groupthink that you went AMD or went home even then.

i got a 1070 back in ~oct-nov 2016. at the time it was for my primary computer. it could mine eth at ~32Mh/s with the proper mucking about with power limits and what not (i think madpacket here figured it out), but the computer was basically unusable while doing that (unlike amd cards, in which mining doesn't affect windows UI or video playback or whatnot - heck i play an old game on my 480 without even turning off the miner). nvidia cards still have this 'issue'. needless to say, since i used the computer ~16 hours a day, mining on it wasn't really an option. so i returned the card to microcenter (payback at then prices was over a year i guess).

oh what could have been.

anyway, point of the story is that 1070s worked fine for mining, problem was you could get a 4GB 470 for ~<$160 any day of the week, while 1070s were >$350. at ~$10/eth, it didn't make much sense to buy 1070s. if those card prices were still available, 1070s still wouldn't make sense.

 

[snoopy7548]

These people need to be stopped. Sure you can mine and I'm not against anyone doing it but come on, this is ridiculous. Can't wait for that bubble to burst. My coworker came up asked me what gpu he should get.

I told him none because none are worth that you see online for pricing.

Yeah, that is pretty ridiculous. Makes me wish this entire crypto-currency thing would just tank overnight and never recover.

There is only one Microcenter in MA and four in NY. Five Microcenters and 38 cards. These stores really need to limit two cards per address, verified by your driver's license. No driver's license, no buy. Finally put some good use to the inconvenience of having to tell the cashier your address during checkout.

BTW, they're probably using ~7,600kWh per month from mining alone. I'd expect a call from their electric company.

EDIT: Looks like Microcenter is already limiting one card per household, and they have in-store discounts with bundles if you talk to a manager. Good move.

 

[Pneumothorax]

This isn't funny anymore

Good God....
Used 1080Ti's for $250 in 6 months... Nvidia's management has to realize this is going to put a damper on 2070 sales & prices....

That represents ~$8k/mo at current valuation, give or take a grand or two. 5ish month turnaround assuming he burned 1k per, prices don't change, and he didn't spend too much on misc equip. Also, assuming he actually has the power capacity for those and doesn't burn his place down

That's a whole lot of IF's lol

 

[Headfoot]

On a per transaction scale, Visa is vastly cheaper and several orders of magnitude more efficient than cryptofakecurrencies. If you really want an led metaphor with Visa vs Ethereum, visa is the led bulm and ethereum is a gasoline fire

I didn't mention Ethereum. Try again. Hint: XLM, XRP, XRB.

 

[Headfoot]

i got a 1070 back in ~oct-nov 2016. at the time it was for my primary computer. it could mine eth at ~32Mh/s with the proper mucking about with power limits and what not (i think madpacket here figured it out), but the computer was basically unusable while doing that (unlike amd cards, in which mining doesn't affect windows UI or video playback or whatnot - heck i play an old game on my 480 without even turning off the miner). nvidia cards still have this 'issue'. needless to say, since i used the computer ~16 hours a day, mining on it wasn't really an option. so i returned the card to microcenter (payback at then prices was over a year i guess).

oh what could have been.

anyway, point of the story is that 1070s worked fine for mining, problem was you could get a 4GB 470 for ~<$160 any day of the week, while 1070s were >$350. at ~$10/eth, it didn't make much sense to buy 1070s. if those card prices were still available, 1070s still wouldn't make sense.

You can lower intensity of mining so the computer remains usable. It runs at ~90% GPU usage when I set intensity to the lowest setting, and I hardly lose hashrate. Maybe 5%. When I've got the lowest intensity going on my 1080 ti I can still play pretty much any non-demanding game without no perceptible slow down.

 

[sze5003]

Just saw an email about amd Vega for $899. It's actually $949 on Newegg for the reference model. Haven't been following gpu's lately. I'm good with my 1080ti for a while I believe.

 

[ElFenix]

You can lower intensity of mining so the computer remains usable. It runs at ~90% GPU usage when I set intensity to the lowest setting, and I hardly lose hashrate. Maybe 5%. When I've got the lowest intensity going on my 1080 ti I can still play pretty much any non-demanding game without no perceptible slow down.

well now you tell me

 

[Headfoot]

well now you tell me

Sorry bro!

 

[Paratus]

While some in this thread believe the following:

AMD GPU division is fully dead, their only claim to life is due to the current mining environment.

I’m not sure how that jibes with Dr Lisa Su article on the front page where she states

• R&D will be increasing again over 2016
• Chose a new management team for RTG
• Rolled the custom chip business (Xbox PS4, etc) into RTG
• Increasing funding to RTG
• Indicated they are looking at splitting gaming and compute designs similar to NV
• Will be rolling out 7nm Vega designs for the professional market

Seems like their CEO has significant plans for their “dead GPU” division.

 

[lupi]

Just saw an email about amd Vega for $899. It's actually $949 on Newegg for the reference model. Haven't been following gpu's lately. I'm good with my 1080ti for a while I believe.

But did you see the key benefits listed on that email.

 

[sze5003]

But did you see the key benefits listed on that email.

Yup purely benefiting miners...

 

[Riok]

Went to Micro Center today. I have photographic evidence of the massacre from the front lines.

Amazing pictures ! PC Gaming is dead

 

[Yakk]

Game studios have NO incentive to go beyond console level graphics for real now. With the XBOX1X it's not that horrible aside from higher framerates.

On the other hand many the most popular PC multiplayer games on PC can practically run on APU graphics anyways so it won't change much there IMHO.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Filthy miners.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/...eats_upstairs_are_sold_out_18x_1213_gpu_rigs/

Buying direct or through wholesale from MSI skipping the retailer. Money talks.

Hmm . . . but how much do they pay per card?

Looking at online prices in China, they're selling at inflated prices even to bulk buyers. As long as distributors get their money and miners get their GPUs, it doesn't seem to matter because they've already exhausted the supply channel at the retail point and they're just moving up the chain.

That's what I was thinking. Instead of wiping out retailers, they're just heading the cards off at the pass by geting them from distributors. In the end, the demand is there, and the effects are the same.

I didn't mention Ethereum. Try again. Hint: XLM, XRP, XRB.

ETH will scale quite well once it's fully mature. The roadmap is there, and code for sharding is 99% ready for the testnet if not 100%. XRP isn't even crypto (it uses a centralized ledger).

Just saw an email about amd Vega for $899. It's actually $949 on Newegg for the reference model. Haven't been following gpu's lately. I'm good with my 1080ti for a while I believe.

And hey that's still below MSRP! Good luck getting the watercooled one though.

 

[ZipSpeed]

Amazing pictures ! PC Gaming is dead

I've been shifting to console gaming over the last decade, and with the current state of expensive video cards, maybe I'll be looking at completely shifting on to my couch.

 

[Pneumothorax]

That represents ~$8k/mo at current valuation, give or take a grand or two. 5ish month turnaround assuming he burned 1k per, prices don't change, and he didn't spend too much on misc equip. Also, assuming he actually has the power capacity for those and doesn't burn his place down

You can lower intensity of mining so the computer remains usable. It runs at ~90% GPU usage when I set intensity to the lowest setting, and I hardly lose hashrate. Maybe 5%. When I've got the lowest intensity going on my 1080 ti I can still play pretty much any non-demanding game without no perceptible slow down.

I put my intel GPU to good use when I’m mining lol. Still allows me to finish charts and watch YouTube. Then i switch back using my receiver to the 1080ti when gaming

 

[tential]

"Getting Vega Everywhere..."
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1231...n-exclusive-interview-with-dr-lisa-su-amd-ceo

Everywhere... except in stock! Still though, looks like AMD is executing their plan, like many of those on this forum said that they were trying to do.

Every time I see a comment like that I think they're trolling us...

It seems cheaper to just buy a pre-built PC with a 1080ti and sell the parts on eBay. I think I saw a pre-built yesterday with an MSI GTX 1080ti, i7-8700, 16GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Gigabyte Z370 mobo, and 512GB SSD for around $1400.

Go at it..... it's all out war at this point... go make yourself some money if you see the opportunity!

 

[Headfoot]

I put my intel GPU to good use when I’m mining lol. Still allows me to finish charts and watch YouTube. Then i switch back using my receiver to the 1080ti when gaming

Yeah definitely a solid approach, I'm on Haswell E so no integrated GPU myself but it makes a lot of sense to do it that way

 

[Headfoot]

Hmm . . . but how much do they pay per card?



That's what I was thinking. Instead of wiping out retailers, they're just heading the cards off at the pass by geting them from distributors. In the end, the demand is there, and the effects are the same.



ETH will scale quite well once it's fully mature. The roadmap is there, and code for sharding is 99% ready for the testnet if not 100%. XRP isn't even crypto (it uses a centralized ledger).

I don't disagree - the point I was making though is that not every Cryptocurrency or token is Proof of Work based and so the assumption that all of them use exponentially more power over time like Bitcoin is totally wrong.

Not to mention most the 2nd and 3rd gen cryptos have much more functionality than simply being electronic currency.