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UsandThem

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I haven't been conned that bad by newegg, but they did royally piss me off three years ago when I paid for 3 day shipping on a cpu only to get it delivered FedEx SmartPost two weeks later. I also hate how they package their OEM hard drives. I had a couple of WD Blacks die in a year or two that I bought OEM from them but have never had problems with cheaper quality retail drives I got from the likes of Best Buy. I was kind of ready to move on from them even before reading your post, but your story makes it crystal clear how far that company has fallen off.

Yeah, their shipping is horrible.

About 2 weeks ago, I ordered a copy of Norton Security (empty cardboard sleeve with code), and a 8GB kit of RAM. They boxed the Norton card in a box with a ton of padding. The RAM they shipped in a padded soft envelope, and the RAM package was damaged and the RAM modules were freely floating around the package since they were knocked out of their holder.

EDIT: Read my post #57
 
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amenx

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The 1080 isnt a good mining card (due to gddr5x). I believe the 1070 even gets better hashrates. There was a period last year when they were pretty close in pricing due to this.
 

Topweasel

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That said, Nvidia and AMD will have to increase production somehow, because if every card that rolls out of a factory is immediately sold, it only makes sense for them to do so. At the same time, if they ramp up production and there is a mining dip where miners aren't buying them, they don't want the various retailers to have surplus stock where they have to offer some kind of discount/promotion.
AMD took a stock disposal write off after the big Asic drop off back in the day that basically ate up all the increased profits they got from mining sales. This is why I caution everyone to not get to absorbed in stock issues with certain hardwre. To meet demand now it have them so far ahead of demand later they have to take large losses. Heck the Wii sold like a 100 Million consoles but to meet the demand of the first three years, once demand was met the ramped up production almost strangled Nintendo.

There is a big difference between something like the GPU's or the Switch compared something like Coffee Lake where Intel as the de facto monopoly on PC CPU sales who has never had supply issues is doing a slow ramp on their CPU's. Certain supply issues make sense to prevent overreaching, others can be a sign of a larger issue.
 
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24601

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AMD took a stock disposal write off after the big Asic drop off back in the day that basically ate up all the increased profits they got from mining sales. This is why I caution everyone to not get to absorbed in stock issues with certain hardwre. To meet demand now it have them so far ahead of demand later they have to take large losses. Heck the Wii sold like a 100 Million consoles but to meet the demand of the first three years, once demand was met the ramped up production almost strangled Nintendo.

There is a big difference between something like the GPU's or the Switch compared something like Coffee Lake where Intel as the de facto monopoly on PC CPU sales who has never had supply issues is doing a slow ramp on their CPU's. Certain supply issues make sense to prevent overreaching, others can be a sign of a larger issue.

They didn't fail due to people stopping buying GPUs for mining, they failed because their GPUs sucked at everything other than mining.

It's important to point out the real problem instead of the purposefully obfuscated one.
 

UsandThem

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Well, I will give one piece of advice to anybody here who reads this thread in the future, or finds it via Google.

If you have a problem with Newegg, you can call, email, or chat with them, and it won't really get anything done. Leave a bad review on ResellerRatings from the automated email link they send after doing said chatting, you'll get a call back within a few hours.

I was busy and couldn't take the call, but I will call them back as they stated they "wanted to make things right". I think it's fair to rip a company when they deserve it, but to also give them credit if they earned it. I'll see soon enough and report back.........

EDIT 1:

Guess I'm going to have to wait on finding out. The person didn't leave their phone number in the voicemail, and only the generic Newegg phone number was on my caller ID. They said they were going to send me an email right after the message, so we could speak by phone. However, no email ever showed up.

I guess I could call in and hopefully whoever I end up reaching can get me connected to the right representative. I hope so as when I tried calling the number on my ID, I was way back in the customer queue line, and I already waited a decent amount of time earlier.

EDIT 2:

They finally sent the email, but it must have been at the end of their workday as it states they are only there until 2:00 PST. I'll give it a go tomorrow and see what they have to say. It's sad that a customer service rep wouldn't have just sent my case to a supervisor/manager for them to look at, instead of it taking a bad review for anybody to at least try to help out.

EDIT 3: 1-10-2018

Alright, I spoke to a supervisor (I'll not list her name or department right now, but the next time I speak to her I'll ask her if it's ok to post it on a public forum). She did tell me anytime I have a issue, to personally call her and she would be more than happy to fix it. So props to Newegg on that.

She said they will honor the price I paid when they get more stock in, I just have to call her directly when it's in stock. Funny thing is was when I was first done speaking with her, the card became in stock (probably a customer cancellation), but by the time I reached her it had sold again.

So I wish when they had unique issues, the customer service reps would say "Hey, I'm not sure on this, let me get a supervisor or manager involved" instead of saying "nope".

So now I just play the waiting game, and as long as she honors her word (which I don't have any reason to think otherwise at this point), I'll continue to recommend Newegg and buy from them.

If anybody here has a issue with Newegg they can't get resolved and needs extra help, I would be willing to get them into touch with the supervisor at her direct phone number.
 
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Elixer

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I am curious, those companies that had mining specific cards, did they actually sell out of them? Were people buying them instead of the "normal" cards?
 

24601

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I am curious, those companies that had mining specific cards, did they actually sell out of them? Were people buying them instead of the "normal" cards?

They were never really a thing outside of China (where almost all of the serious farms are)

The hype about them in places other than China was simply companies selling a few of the "China Model Miner Cards" in markets outside of China.

If they are still made/sold, I'm sure 100% of the production capacity for them are being purchased continuously by various Chinese mines.
 

DeadlyTitan

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Well i paid $1200 USD for my GTX 1080 Ti about a week ago and am not complaining cause well honestly if we want to game on our pc's then we have to just suck it up cause there is literally no other option. We cannot change the fact that mining has ruined PC gaming nor can we change the fact that the cards are literally out of stock all the time for the most of the time.

It really sucks but i see no other option, like what are we even going to do at this point other than moving to consoles?Which sadly isint an option for some of us cause well we just want to game on our PC's, mod our games and stuff

Well atleast with this card i/we can hold out for 5 years (look at GTX 780 ti's still doing okay'ish with high to medium settings) which will be enough time ( i am hoping) for the mining craze to die off and cards to get back to MSRP.
 

24601

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Well i paid $1200 USD for my GTX 1080 Ti about a week ago and am not complaining cause well honestly if we want to game on our pc's then we have to just suck it up cause there is literally no other option. We cannot change the fact that mining has ruined PC gaming nor can we change the fact that the cards are literally out of stock all the time for the most of the time.

It really sucks but i see no other option, like what are we even going to do at this point other than moving to consoles?Which sadly isint an option for some of us cause well we just want to game on our PC's, mod our games and stuff

Well atleast with this card i/we can hold out for 5 years (look at GTX 780 ti's still doing okay'ish with high to medium settings) which will be enough time ( i am hoping) for the mining craze to die off and cards to get back to MSRP.

Return it and buy a Titan Xp instead:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-store/
 
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DeadlyTitan

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not an option mate . I bought it from a local store cause that was the only place where the card was available for me. I could have bought it from Amazon or newegg (other models) but would end up paying about the same price and the Titan xp costs 2k after taxes and import duty.


EDIT - not to mention i just checked and they do not ship to where i live. It always sucks to live in such remote place where supply is low and prices are high.
 

24601

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not an option mate . I bought it from a local store cause that was the only place where the card was available for me. I could have bought it from Amazon or newegg (other models) but would end up paying about the same price and the Titan xp costs 2k after taxes and import duty.


EDIT - not to mention i just checked and they do not ship to where i live. It always sucks to live in such remote place where supply is low and prices are high.

Sounds like a serious case of Brazil syndrome

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidt...ice-in-brazil-is-bad-for-gamers/#f2d5c9c4311d
 
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Topweasel

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They didn't fail due to people stopping buying GPUs for mining, they failed because their GPUs sucked at everything other than mining.

It's important to point out the real problem instead of the purposefully obfuscated one.

Wow. Ignoring the tone of the post. The point was in regards to ramping production to meet short term demand and how reduced demand can destroy the returns of ramping up production in the first place.

Not talking about it's performance isn't obfuscating the problem. It's because it's pointless. Why they had decreased demand or were unable to sell the cards doesn't matter. You are not wrong but being right in this is as useful as being wrong.
 

Smoblikat

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INB4 the gamers of the nuclear afterscape have to scrape by on every 980 Ti they can find in the rubble of the miner's preemptive attack on castle 1080 (Ti).

EDIT:

Just checked ebay and 980 Ti is now 450 USD due to being the only thing left to purchase.

Got mine for 250, still such a worthwhile purchase. Upgraded from a 7970.
 

Red Squirrel

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Sorry to flash this around but figured I'd brag a little. This was the last 1070 Newegg had. lol.



Though the thing that does bother me with this shortage is that I actually want to build a big rig, and the fact that I can't even get cards might actually be what stops me.

I may check locally as sometimes local computer stores have access to wholesale suppliers that the average joe does not have access to, though I imagine even those may be out of stock. Probably have to wait for the next model after the 1080 to come out.
 

24601

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Miners just bought all the Titan V's (RIP Machine Learning Developers/Researchers), all gamers have left is 980 Ti and Titan Xp for high end options at MSRP-ish.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Miners just bought all the Titan V's (RIP Machine Learning Developers/Researchers), all gamers have left is 980 Ti and Titan Xp for high end options at MSRP-ish.
You can still occasionally catch a 1080 at the $500 mark, although it's worth noting I got mine for that about a year and a half ago, so the prices definitely haven't been dropping... Cheapest I see it for on pcpartpicker right now is $664 which is pretty brutal. Everything under that is very inflated though. Given how low the stock is everywhere I'm honestly blaming this more on volta spooling up than anything.
 

UsandThem

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OMFG, I just saw an MSI Armor GTX 1070 sell for $1125 on ebay. Not asking $1125, I mean actually selling the thing for that price. Used GTX 1070 selling for new Titan Xp prices.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Gaming...aphics-Card-GTX-1070-ARMOR-8G-OC/122894553738

Wow.

I can't blame them for selling it though. If people are willing to pay that, more power to them! I mean the Titan XP is in stock at Nvidia's website, so the old saying of "A fool and his money are soon parted" rings true here.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Wow.

I can't blame them for selling it though. If people are willing to pay that, more power to them! I mean the Titan XP is in stock at Nvidia's website, so the old saying of "A fool and his money are soon parted" rings true here.

Yeah the Star Wars edition Titan Xp are in stock at $1138.
 
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