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frowertr

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Bitcoin seems to be going down in price, but Ethereum keeps going up. I think that you can still profitably mine that one with a GPU... right?

Everything across the board is down today. It's not worth actually mining directly for ETH. Would be better to mine a more profitable coin like Hush/ZClassic/Bitcoin Gold and then trade for ETH.
 

nitromullet

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If you're not absolutely sure then given the seeming statistical odds I'd assume anything second hand in/post a putative mining crash was ex mining

Sure, this is probably what most people do, but this hurts non-miners yet again. I suggest buying a second hand card backed by a manufacturer with a good, transferable warranty.
 

SMOGZINN

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Which is why I've been suggesting - actually reasonably seriously - that gamers really should look into a collective boycott of buying second hand ex mining GPUs. Its clearly messing with the economics of our market, so why encourage it?

The problem with this is that if the mining craze continues for much longer the only way PC gamers are going to be able to get a halfway decent GPU is going to be to buy from the secondary market. While it makes sense to boycott the seconday GPU market in order to crash that market, which would in the long haul help PC gamers by establishing that secondary market cards that were used for crypto-mining have a much lower value (as they should). It runs into the problem that those cards are in high demand by PC gamers since it is almost impossible to get them from the primary channels. So, while the collective of PC gamers will agree with you, the individuals are going to buy the cards when they get a chance. That is actually going to drive the secondary markets prices up.

Because of this I would not be surprised that in a year from now used GTX 10 series cards are selling at or above the new MSRPs of these cards.
 

PeterScott

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The problem with this is that if the mining craze continues for much longer the only way PC gamers are going to be able to get a halfway decent GPU is going to be to buy from the secondary market. While it makes sense to boycott the seconday GPU market in order to crash that market, which would in the long haul help PC gamers by establishing that secondary market cards that were used for crypto-mining have a much lower value (as they should). It runs into the problem that those cards are in high demand by PC gamers since it is almost impossible to get them from the primary channels. So, while the collective of PC gamers will agree with you, the individuals are going to buy the cards when they get a chance. That is actually going to drive the secondary markets prices up.

Because of this I would not be surprised that in a year from now used GTX 10 series cards are selling at or above the new MSRPs of these cards.

It makes more sense to take up a new hobby. Console gaming will probably get a shot in the arm.

Between GPU and RAM pricing, I am out. I was looking to buy a new PC, but I will keep the old one running until is fails.

I refuse to pay jacked up prices. Now there is a legitimate shortage of GPUs, but the RAM pricing looks more like the actions of a cartel.

One the supply chain gets used to the fat profits and high prices, even if they supply were to bounce back, it will probably take years for pricing normalcy, greed being what it is.

A pox on all their houses.
 

thecoolnessrune

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It makes more sense to take up a new hobby. Console gaming will probably get a shot in the arm.

Between GPU and RAM pricing, I am out. I was looking to buy a new PC, but I will keep the old one running until is fails.

I refuse to pay jacked up prices. Now there is a legitimate shortage of GPUs, but the RAM pricing looks more like the actions of a cartel.

One the supply chain gets used to the fat profits and high prices, even if they supply were to bounce back, it will probably take years for pricing normalcy, greed being what it is.

A pox on all their houses.

I was pretty fortunate and bought my parts back in September while 1080 Ti's were normal-priced before it got really out of hand, and I'm the same way. I don't recommend anyone build a gaming PC right now. Get a Console, get instant gratification with games that "just work" and not paying astronomical fees. With current prices, I see 0 point in building a PC just to game. 4K 120Hz is just as out of reach for PCs right now as it is Consoles, and I (personally) can't justify spending at least $1,500 more over an Xbox One X just to *maybe* get 4K 60 FPS and some extra eye candy (if you have some parts you can re-use) vs. 4K 30 FPS.
 

Headfoot

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I have to laugh at the extreme drama around this. If a card is $100 over its normal price AKA the price of a little less than 2 AAA games, people start saying they're going to quit gaming altogether? Give me a break. It's nothing compared to most any other hobby. When you go out to the bar instead of playing games, watch a few bar tabs add up to the difference for a much less durable good.
 

SMOGZINN

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but the RAM pricing looks more like the actions of a cartel.

The RAM industry does have a tendency towards collusion and price fixing don't they? Maybe one of these days some government will fine them enough to make them stop.
 

24601

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The RAM industry does have a tendency towards collusion and price fixing don't they? Maybe one of these days some government will fine them enough to make them stop.

Most of the governments are in on the action.

The only way to break the Memory Fab cartel is for China to get it's hands on one of the players and start mass production that lowers prices by 90-95%

This current cartel action is a direct result of China being blocked from buying Micron in 2015.
 

Charlie22911

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I understand folks frustration with GPUs, but I'm stumped as to why there is no equivalent outcry about RAM pricing; where is its thread? It is criminal I tell you, the G.Skill Trident Z 3200MHz CL14 kit I got for my x99 build in 2016 cost me $430. Today? OVER 9 FREAKING HUNDRED!
Where is everyone's outrage at this? I genuinely want to know, because sure miners are screwing with GPU pricing, but RAM is screwing *everything* up...
 
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24601

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I understand folks frustration with GPUs, but I'm stumped as to why there is no equivalent outcry about RAM pricing; where is its thread? It is criminal I tell you, the G.Skill Trident Z 3200MHz CL14 kit I got for my x99 build in 2016 cost me $430. Today? OVER 9 FREAKING HUNDRED!
Where is everyone's outrage at this? I genuinely want to know, because sure miners are screwing with GPU pricing, but RAM is screwing *everything* up...

Memory Fab cartel has been going for 40+ years.

It's simply not news anymore to anyone in the tech space.

It's the same reason we don't have threads on "the sun rose this morning and will set this evening"
 

Charlie22911

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Memory Fab cartel has been going for 40+ years.

It's simply not news anymore to anyone in the tech space.

And that is sad, because we end up in this circular series of events that ends with execs lining their pockets at the expense of the consumer. And to them it is worth it, because once they are caught they get a fine that is dwarfed by the profits they've just made, so they cross their fingers behind their backs while promising to bring some normalcy back to the market.
But I digress, I couldn't help myself; I just can't stand a crook.
 

Paratus

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I understand folks frustration with GPUs, but I'm stumped as to why there is no equivalent outcry about RAM pricing; where is its thread? It is criminal I tell you, the G.Skill Trident Z 3200MHz CL14 kit I got for my x99 build in 2016 cost me $430. Today? OVER 9 FREAKING HUNDRED!
Where is everyone's outrage at this? I genuinely want to know, because sure miners are screwing with GPU pricing, but RAM is screwing *everything* up...

Hey I’m outraged. Between the Vega 56 and 32 GB of Trident Z 3200 CL14 I probably paid an extra $450.

Prices are crazy.
 

tajoh111

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And this is how waiting for technology can hurt gamers, particularly in this climate.

Remember all the AMD fans who said, wait for Vega, wait for its because it will bring gtx 1080 ti performance for 500 dollars. How did that turn out?

Far too many waited based on hype and it only lead to more videocards going into miners hands when the spike happened shortly after vega was released.

None of those who waited were rewarded at all. In fact they were punished hard. Gtx 1080's could be found at $399-450 before. Gtx 1080 ti's could be found for 619 to 649 on sale. Now look at the current climate. Now people have to pay 50% more for the same cards! to make matters worse, they are getting these cards 6 to 8 months later missing out on usage during that time. These AMD fans needs to stop hyping up each release. The last card to bring price drops from AMD was Hawaii. People need to move forward and realize that AMD is dead. Ironically, its the release of Nvidia cards that usually bring price drops as of late.

Those posters, viral marketers hurt gamers because used hype to satisfy their own agenda which was to sell AMD cards for whatever reason. Now these people that waited are either waiting for prices to drop which could be months from now or being forced to buy in this overpriced mining climate. Shame on these posters.




Calling out AMD posters as viral marketers is inflammatory posting and is not allowed.

I also have issue with the folks that happen to "like" this post and then turn around and report the poster below, who commented on this inflammatory post.



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DrMrLordX

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Has anyone found a way to mine crypto on an XBox One, yet? I bet that the GPU on the XBox One X could do a decent job at mining Ether.

ETH, XMR, and some other coins are quite mineable on vid cards. It really depends on the RAM. I haven't seen anyone deploy mining software on PS4 or Xbox 1 yet (which is odd, given that stuff like f@h did deploy DC software on PS3 years ago). There's been talk, but no action.

Also, at least one team has figured out how to run Linux on the PS4, so . . .

Those posters, viral marketers hurt gamers because used hype to satisfy their own agenda which was to sell AMD cards for whatever reason. Now these people that waited are either waiting for prices to drop which could be months from now or being forced to buy in this overpriced mining climate. Shame on these posters.

I don't feel too bad for anyone who waited for Vega. I know I waited for Vega. All the while, I mined ETH on my 390, and made bank doing it. And I wound up with Vega FE for below retail prices. It ain't all bad folks!
 

Despoiler

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And this is how waiting for technology can hurt gamers, particularly in this climate.

Remember all the AMD fans who said, wait for Vega, wait for its because it will bring gtx 1080 ti performance for 500 dollars. How did that turn out?

Far too many waited based on hype and it only lead to more videocards going into miners hands when the spike happened shortly after vega was released.

None of those who waited were rewarded at all. In fact they were punished hard. Gtx 1080's could be found at $399-450 before. Gtx 1080 ti's could be found for 619 to 649 on sale. Now look at the current climate. Now people have to pay 50% more for the same cards! to make matters worse, they are getting these cards 6 to 8 months later missing out on usage during that time. These AMD fans needs to stop hyping up each release. The last card to bring price drops from AMD was Hawaii. People need to move forward and realize that AMD is dead. Ironically, its the release of Nvidia cards that usually bring price drops as of late.

Those posters, viral marketers hurt gamers because used hype to satisfy their own agenda which was to sell AMD cards for whatever reason. Now these people that waited are either waiting for prices to drop which could be months from now or being forced to buy in this overpriced mining climate. Shame on these posters.

77 posts since 2005. Do you only post when you have strawman and red herring to spew?




Please don't continue this with attacks. Just report the poster and we will take care of it.


esquared
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PeterScott

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And this is how waiting for technology can hurt gamers, particularly in this climate.

Being right about about timing of any market is always easy in hindsight.

Though, now that insane prices are here, it seems like waiting is really the sensible play if you can do it all.

I'm not buying anything, until prices return to sanity or my computer dies.
 

Charlie22911

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Mar 19, 2005
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Bitcoin seems to be fractal, long term I don’t think much will change there; and the alts seem to loosely follow it.
 

nitromullet

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I have to laugh at the extreme drama around this. If a card is $100 over its normal price AKA the price of a little less than 2 AAA games, people start saying they're going to quit gaming altogether? Give me a break. It's nothing compared to most any other hobby. When you go out to the bar instead of playing games, watch a few bar tabs add up to the difference for a much less durable good.

Newegg doesn't have a single GTX 1070 in stock for less than $900. That's a tad bit more than "$100 over its normal price".
 
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Iron Woode

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I just checked the current price of my Gigabyte Windforce 1060 3gb and it's sitting at $389 CDN - $100 more than I paid for it including taxes.

 

ultimatebob

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Yeah... I guess that it's nice that I can resell my 6 GB GeForce 1060 for $150 more than what I paid for it right now, although I'm not sure what I would get to replace it. It's a damn good card for 1440p resolution gaming.
 

TeknoBug

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As of this morning, all I can find are RX 560 and GTX1050Ti's, everything else is out of stock/backorder, it's crazy.
 

Fondue

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Yeah... I guess that it's nice that I can resell my 6 GB GeForce 1060 for $150 more than what I paid for it right now, although I'm not sure what I would get to replace it. It's a damn good card for 1440p resolution gaming.

That's why I'm keeping mine. The profit I'd make would't justify not being able to game for several months. My only backup is an HD 6670.
 
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