Rosenbaum was the first victim.I haven't followed any of this live. Are there any witnesses to the first person KR shot. I ask because the first shooting should be the precedent for all subsequent actions.
Who was the first person KR shot?
static.....click....pop...static.....it's funny how the people in the opening pages of this thread were so out for Rittenhouse blood, calling the judge names and just plain idiotic posts about the case. Have gone radio silent. Arent facts grand?? especially the video from the FBI drone and ground-level video that absolutely show without any doubt it was self-defense.
Prosecutors destroyed defenses witnesses yesterday.static.....click....pop...static.....
No radio silence here.
KR deserved everyone's wrath because he took a gun into an area looking for trouble. He was already quoted about his desire to shoot someone. He should be condemned just like people coming in from out of town just to incite violence.
Having said that testimony by some of the victims hasn't gone well for the prosecution.
You finished jerking off yet?
Here is a recap of drone footage. It indicated Rosenbaum was following KR. KR whipped around shot Rosenbaum. Nothing in the drone footage indicated Rosenbaum tried to attack KR. If this holds, anyone on the scene was in their rights (based on citizens arrest) to detain and or take KR's gun because he just killed someone. The drone footage is in contradiction with a witness who said Rosenbaum "lunged at KR" before KR shot him. That needs to be flushed out.Rosenbaum was the first victim.
No, that witness was the day before iirc.Did that include the witness who claimed Rosenbaum "lunged" at KR?? Drone recording says otherwise. Note to @Luna1968 this is called a rational discussion of the known facts. Try it sometime.
Why is he wearing what looks like latex gloves?I haven't kept up on this case, but:
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"Didn't go looking for trouble". I mean, I don't normally go walking around with a giant gun in public at night by myself...what a horrible way to throw your life away at 17 years old
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Because he’s an EMT, how else would anybody know...Why is he wearing what looks like latex gloves?
I'm asking because first thought he was trying to keep his fingerprints off the gun or powder burns off his hands. To me that sounds like someone who IS looking for trouble and expects it.Because he’s an EMT, how else would anybody know...
Because he’s a kid who thought he was much more than he was.I'm asking because first thought he was trying to keep his fingerprints off the gun or powder burns off his hands. To me that sounds like someone who IS looking for trouble and expects it.
Any other reason for the gloves?
you spelled CVNT wrongBecause he’s an EMT, how else would anybody know...
Because of covid duh.Why is he wearing what looks like latex gloves?
As fskimospy and I pointed out it was a terrible fake crying.Wow this kid is one cocky sob. Now I wonder if the crying was a stunt? It certainly and obviously gained the sympathies of the judge. How does one learn to cry effectively? Is there a school?
It’s sad. Here we have again a poor kid consumed and obsessed with guns and thus obsessed with the biggest nastiest guns made. Guns that at one time were only allowed in the armed forces I.e. the military. Naturally a 17 year old kid is going to want to own one of those nasty big guns for themself, and so much so that he asked an adult to help buy this gun that he himself knew he could not buy nor own on his own.
Thanks NRA. Good job in making America a country of gun lovers. But not just gun lovers, a country of the gun obsessed.
But he looks so sincere!!Taking the stand was probably not a great idea for old Kyle. That's some really terrible fake crying.
I think a semi-auto ban would do wonders. That is my fenixgoon-as-benevolent-dictator solution. Hunters could still hunt. Target shooters can still shoot. Revolvers and shotguns would still be legal for home defense. But by and large you're removing anything that shoots remotely fast and would be attractive for murder or mass shooting events.I have mixed feelings on this. Guns are a ton of fun to shoot & big guns are awesome. I have some friends with pretty awesome gun collections. It's like Tiger King, the draw of tigers, and of guns, is immense. So should guns be TOTALLY banned? Australia took a different approach by only banning semi-automatic guns, which makes it far more difficult to conduct mass killings, and had immense success with it:
Australia banned semi-automatic weapons after a mass murder: Here’s what happened next - National | Globalnews.ca
In the wake of the Las Vegas massacre, many are looking to Australia's crackdown on gun ownership in the 1990s as an example how to prevent a similar tragedy.globalnews.ca
The problem has more to do with people than weapons, as China has a problem with mass stabbings:
As America struggles with gun violence, China faces its own public safety threat: mass stabbings | CNN
Editor’s note: CNN will be launching the Meanwhile in China newsletter on June 21, a three-times-a-week update exploring what you need to know about the country’s rise and how it impacts the world. Sign up here.www.cnn.com
But I do think the ease of access to high-powered weapons makes a real difference:
59 people killed, more than 500 hurt in Las Vegas Strip shooting
At least 59 people were killed when a gunman opened fire during a Jason Aldean performance from the 32nd floor of a Las Vegas hotel, police said.www.nbcnews.com
It's a tough problem. The vast majority of people out there are responsible gun owners. There are 400 million documented guns in America, roughly 20 to 25k gun deaths annually, and on that tangent, 60% of those are suicides, which account for half of all suicides in America. So statistically, those are big numbers, but ratio-wise, it's a very small percentage (not to discount that percentage!). Oddly enough, mental health is not an indicator of gun violence, as people with mental health issues are more likely to be the victim: (outside of suicides)
Gun Deaths, Violence and Mental Health
A fact sheet to provide evidence regarding the relationship between firearm-related deaths and mental health conditions. MHA is committed to sharing scientific research and facts to inform media, policymakers, and the public.www.mhanational.org
So is American "gun obsessed"? I mean, we have 400 million guns vs. 330 million people (not to mention all of the undocumented guns!), which is more than one gun per person, and 8.1 billion rounds were produced in 2018 alone for the American market, which is more than one bullet for every person on earth, plus over 30% of households in the United States have firearms, so while that's not even half of the homes in America, that's still a huge number. But 25k deaths annually vs. 400 million guns means MOST people are responsible, but it does provide an easy way to kill yourself or kill someone else.
It's a tricky problem, because where do we draw the line? We kill 38k people in cars every year, which is over 10,000 more people than people with guns kill. I did my high school thesis on that topic back in the day...my final finding was that by reducing highway speeds to 20mph max, we could virtually eliminate roadway deaths, as a combined 40mph accident with crumple zones, seatbelts, and airbags are largely survivable. However, the economic impact would be high & people wouldn't want to do it anyway lol.