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Prosecutor missed a great opportunity, when Kyle said he only shot at targets from a couple of yards away, he should have asked what type of targets they were using.
 

Kaido

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I think a semi-auto ban would do wonders. That is my fenixgoon-as-benevolent-dictator solution. Hunters could still hunt. Target shooters can still shoot. Revolvers and shotguns would still be legal for home defense. But by and large you're removing anything that shoots remotely fast and would be attractive for murder or mass shooting events.

I've read up extensively on this solution & imo it's the best balance available. It would be hard for people who already own & love their semis, as well as the cottage industries across the country that support them, but it's a to harder to kill huge groups of people with handguns. Australia's shooting history took a drastic turn after that ban:


And they did it in a pretty smart way, too - they did a government buy-back program simply by increasing their Medicare levy 0.2% for a year to finance it:

There have been 28 state and territory-based amnesties since the Port Arthur massacre in April 1996. The "National Firearms Buyback Program", which ran from October 1996 through September 1997, was held for 12 months and retrieved 650,000 guns. The 2003 handgun buyback ran for 6 months and retrieved 68,727 guns. Both involved compensation paid to owners of firearms made illegal by gun law changes and surrendered to the government. Bought back firearms were destroyed.

The Government increased the Medicare levy from 1.5% to 1.7% of income for one year to finance the 1996 buyback program. The program was budgeted to cost $500 million. The buyback cost $304 million in compensation and $63 million in administration. [2]
 

Kaido

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But he looks so sincere!!

tbh I feel kinda bad for him. I was super dumb as a teenager. Selling a high-powered gun to a kid is like the equivalent of handing a 700hp Corvette over to a 16-year-old who just got their license...how responsible do you really expect them to be with it? The lure of playing GI Joe is pretty strong in the middle of civil unrest:

According to his attorneys, after Rittenhouse had heard about a local business owner who wanted help defending his car dealership, he and his friend Dominick David Black "armed themselves with rifles" and went to that business. The dealership had suffered $1.5 million in arson damage the previous night. When Daily Caller reporter Richie McGinniss asked Rittenhouse why he was at the car dealership, he responded: "So, people are getting injured, and our job is to protect this business. Part of my job is also to help people. If there is somebody hurt, I'm running into harm's way. That's why I have my rifle, because I have to protect myself, obviously. I also have my med kit." At some point, Rittenhouse left the dealership and was prevented by police from returning.

Quote from today:

'I did what I had to do,' Rittenhouse says at Wisconsin murder trial.
 
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My proposal;

One long gun, one hand gun, one shot gun. None may be capable of holding more than six rounds under any circumstances. Each round must be manually chambered by cocking, break/breach, lever or pump action.

No one person may be in possession of more than twelve rounds unless transporting one box for each weapon directly home from a supplier. (Most hunting permits have bag limits lower than that.)

No mail order. All purchases done in person only and only at authorized transfer points.
 

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According to Kyle’s testimony, the only guns in the gun store for sale were AR-15s and handguns. Wouldn’t that be easy to verify?
 

Luna1968

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My proposal;

One long gun, one hand gun, one shot gun. None may be capable of holding more than six rounds under any circumstances. Each round must be manually chambered by cocking, break/breach, lever or pump action.

No one person may be in possession of more than twelve rounds unless transporting one box for each weapon directly home from a supplier. (Most hunting permits have bag limits lower than that.)

No mail order. All purchases done in person only and only at authorized transfer points.

The Second Amendment is not a suggestion, it is a directive.
 

Luna1968

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I think a semi-auto ban would do wonders. That is my fenixgoon-as-benevolent-dictator solution. Hunters could still hunt. Target shooters can still shoot. Revolvers and shotguns would still be legal for home defense. But by and large you're removing anything that shoots remotely fast and would be attractive for murder or mass shooting events.
The Second Amendment is not a suggestion, it is a directive.
 
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It's a messy situation, to put it mildly, and I don't think either side is clean-cut here.

My beef, as Vic touched on, is that conservatives are trying to paint Rittenhouse as a hero. He's not. He's a dutifully brainwashed teen who went on a trip hoping to pick a fight... and let's be honest, he was likely itching to kill some liberals. Two people would still be alive if he hadn't left home.
A remarkable stupid statement, even for you.
 
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static.....click....pop...static.....

No radio silence here.

KR deserved everyone's wrath because he took a gun into an area looking for trouble. He was already quoted about his desire to shoot someone. He should be condemned just like people coming in from out of town just to incite violence.

Having said that testimony by some of the victims hasn't gone well for the prosecution.

You finished jerking off yet?
You mean he armed himself before going into an area where BLM and other criminals were looting, rioting and burning buildings ?
 
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I think a semi-auto ban would do wonders. That is my fenixgoon-as-benevolent-dictator solution. Hunters could still hunt. Target shooters can still shoot. Revolvers and shotguns would still be legal for home defense. But by and large you're removing anything that shoots remotely fast and would be attractive for murder or mass shooting events.
Gosh, thank you for allowing us to keep some of our Rights. Any others that you believe we don't need, such as freedom of speech, freedom to assemble or freedom from unreasonable searches? Oh mighty dicktater.
 

Commodus

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A remarkable stupid statement, even for you.

Care to actually back that up with evidence? "LOL you're stupid" is not evidence, that's being childish.

I, however, do have evidence. Rittenhouse repeatedly expressed support for Blue Lives Matter, an anti-BLM movement fetishized by conservatives. He had previously visited a car dealership with a rifle in hopes of protecting it. He loves playing vigilante and was itching for a fight in Kenosha.

And there's also no question that many conservatives worship the ground Rittenhouse walks on. See Trump, or Tucker Carlson's obsessive coverage. And they've convinced people like you that Rittenhouse is some poor, innocent kid who was set upon by those 'evil' liberals. While the case isn't clear-cut, as I said, the truth is that Rittenhouse went practically expecting to use his rifle.
 
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Care to actually back that up with evidence? "LOL you're stupid" is not evidence, that's being childish.

I, however, do have evidence. Rittenhouse repeatedly expressed support for Blue Lives Matter, an anti-BLM movement fetishized by conservatives. He had previously visited a car dealership with a rifle in hopes of protecting it. He loves playing vigilante and was itching for a fight in Kenosha.

And there's also no question that many conservatives worship the ground Rittenhouse walks on. See Trump, or Tucker Carlson's obsessive coverage. And they've convinced people like you that Rittenhouse is some poor, innocent kid who was set upon by those 'evil' liberals. While the case isn't clear-cut, as I said, the truth is that Rittenhouse went practically expecting to use his rifle.
"... and let's be honest, he was likely itching to kill some liberals. "

Let's be honest here a stupid statement deserves to be called a stupid statement.
 

HomerJS

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You mean he armed himself before going into an area where BLM and other criminals were looting, rioting and burning buildings ?
Where is your evidence members of BLM were looting? Or is this your usual lying again?

If his motives were pure why was KR trying to keep his prints off the gun and powder residue off his hands?

Someone trying to hide evidence from the gun and bragged his desire to shoot someone was looking for trouble.
 
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Didn't i see a bunch of people looting various stores wearing their BLM membership hats, badges and vests?

According to his testimony he was administering to injured people just a few minutes earlier.
 

Vic

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Gosh, thank you for allowing us to keep some of our Rights. Any others that you believe we don't need, such as freedom of speech, freedom to assemble or freedom from unreasonable searches? Oh mighty dicktater.

Have you met my challenge yet of providing a single example of when you supported the rights and freedoms of someone you don't identify with?

A lot of people, I have found, are convinced that they are somehow champions of freedom because they believe in their own freedoms. But that's actually nothing special. Everyone believes in their own freedoms. Especially dictators. In fact, I would argue that's why they become dictators.
True belief in freedom requires believing in the freedoms of those other than yourself, and especially of those you disagree with or are politically opposed to. Such as, for example, supporting the rights of those you disagree with to speak freely without labeling as traitors (or similar). Or, for example, allowing a group you disagree with, such as BLM in your case, to assemble and protest freely with falsely labeling them as rioters and looters, and sending in armed young idealists to kill them.
When you can do that, then I might believe that you believe in freedom. Until then, you're just another authoritarian who, like all authoritarians, believes the only freedoms that matter are their own.
 
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Lifer
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Gosh, thank you for allowing us to keep some of our Rights. Any others that you believe we don't need, such as freedom of speech, freedom to assemble or freedom from unreasonable searches? Oh mighty dicktater.
Rights are not unlimited. Conservatives love to forget this at the most convenient of times.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Care to actually back that up with evidence? "LOL you're stupid" is not evidence, that's being childish.

I, however, do have evidence. Rittenhouse repeatedly expressed support for Blue Lives Matter, an anti-BLM movement fetishized by conservatives. He had previously visited a car dealership with a rifle in hopes of protecting it. He loves playing vigilante and was itching for a fight in Kenosha.

And there's also no question that many conservatives worship the ground Rittenhouse walks on. See Trump, or Tucker Carlson's obsessive coverage. And they've convinced people like you that Rittenhouse is some poor, innocent kid who was set upon by those 'evil' liberals. While the case isn't clear-cut, as I said, the truth is that Rittenhouse went practically expecting to use his rifle.
KR is a poster boy for a right wing hero. Just like Cliven Bundy was another poster boy. Like the insurrectionists are poster kids. Like Derrick Chauvin was a poster boy. As long as they are killing the right people conservatives are fine with it.
 

Vic

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FWIW, my solution to gun culture violence is to do exactly what the NRA has long suggested and copy Switzerland's gun laws.
 
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