Rittenhouse trial to start soon, Judge is laying out rules.

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dank69

Lifer
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"... and let's be honest, he was likely itching to kill some liberals. "

Let's be honest here a stupid statement deserves to be called a stupid statement.
That is a completely reasonable opinion of his motivation. The kid expended quite a bit of effort to put himself in this situation. You could pretend he did it because he wanted to help people but I think the majority of people would think that opinion to be the actual stupid one.
Did you watch any of the thousands of hours of BLM protests turning into riots, arson and looting episodes?

In response to your "challenge" yes, you have the right to be a douchebag in this forum any time you choose.
Thousands of hours? You mean the same 20 videos replayed thousands of times, right?
and of course, you don't like him for that. weak
Liking Trump or not is easily the most basic emotional intelligence test. If you don't believe me, please list a few redeeming personality traits you think Trump possesses. You can't. Nobody can and any attempt to do so will expose what you actually think are redeeming qualities and/or expose how you have been duped into believing he has something that he does not really have.

It is literally impossible for people to like Trump if they are even remotely capable of understanding and controlling at least some of their internal biases. Impossible. Any judge that likes him proves he/she is not qualified to be a judge. Period.
 

Amused

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Go ahead and refute a single point of that with any reputable evidence. I’ll wait.

This is simple. You have provided information about how digital zoom is used WHEN CAPTURING A PHOTO. When taking the picture.

NOT when simply pinch zooming on an already captured photo. Pinch zooming on an ALREADY CAPTURED and RECORDED photo alters NOTHING. It simply makes the pixels larger.

Apples and oranges. The fact that you cant even see you're talking about an entirely different process is... stunning. I'll just say it's stunning.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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The court is so tech savvy, they can’t get a video to play on all the screens twice in a row.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
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This is simple. You have provided information about how digital zoom is used WHEN CAPTURING A PHOTO. When taking the picture.

NOT when simply pinch zooming on an already captured photo. Pinch zooming on an ALREADY CAPTURED and RECORDED photo alters NOTHING. It simply makes the pixels larger.

Apples and oranges. The fact that you cant even see you're talking about an entirely different process is... stunning. I'll just say it's stunning.
Actually, he's right about zooming in if one views in past the 1:1 capture pixels to display pixels. Many programs will try to interpolate pixels instead of showing big squares.
 
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soundforbjt

Lifer
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Another trump humper as a defense witness.

Trumper witness gave edited videos to the defense.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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Question, if you break into a house and the owner greets you with a gun threatening to shoot but they are too close. The robber grabs the gun and a struggle ensues. The gun goes off and the homeowner is killed.

Can the robber claim self defense? If not why not? I'm leading to something.
 

Dave_5k

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Question, if you break into a house and the owner greets you with a gun threatening to shoot but they are too close. The robber grabs the gun and a struggle ensues. The gun goes off and the homeowner is killed.

Can the robber claim self defense? If not why not? I'm leading to something.
I can make a guess where you're going with this, a robber in most states either can't claim self defense, or has a much higher bar before being able to make such a claim.

Specific to Wisconsin, the robber can potentially claim self defense, but it is a far higher hurdle than would otherwise be required:
939.48(2)(a)(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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Defense realllly doesn’t want the picture of Rittenhouse pointing his gun at someone other than Rosenbaum.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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Now this judge doesn't care for the prosecutor's expressions? lol

This guy is a joke. A traitor and criminal appointing judges to the SCOTUS kind of joke. I don't know when this judge started on the bench, but it's quite clear to me he should be removed from it yesterday.

So ridiculous, another Kavanaugh, just saturated with Fox Noise and butthurt.
 
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Amol S.

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Can the prosecutor go to the Supreme Court of the State of Wisconsin, and declare that there was a mistrial in the case that was declared as a mistrial, because there was some extra-judicial connection between the Defense and the Judge?
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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I think there are going to be a lot of disappointed folks after the verdict. I'm highly skeptical Rittenhouse gets convicted of anything of consequence (in context of what's being asked for). Not because he isn't a piece of shit and his actions are ludicrous, but because.. Well, this country worships guns and self defense and the law likely supports him here (at least with what's been presented in court).
 

Dave_5k

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Can the prosecutor go to the Supreme Court of the State of Wisconsin, and declare that there was a mistrial in the case that was declared as a mistrial, because there was some extra-judicial connection between the Defense and the Judge?
First of all, there has been no ruling of a mistrial, and likely won’t be unless the prosecution or defense yet again bring up excluded or blatantly unconstitutional allegations in front of the jury.

But any such ruling would still be subject to appeal I believe.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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I can make a guess where you're going with this, a robber in most states either can't claim self defense, or has a much higher bar before being able to make such a claim.

Specific to Wisconsin, the robber can potentially claim self defense, but it is a far higher hurdle than would otherwise be required:
939.48(2)(a)(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
This is what I was getting at. KR was committing crime all the while he was in possession of that rifle. He killed Rosenbaum and nothing in the drone video KR was in imminent danger of death from Rosenbaum.
 

Vic

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This is what I was getting at. KR was committing crime all the while he was in possession of that rifle. He killed Rosenbaum and nothing in the drone video KR was in imminent danger of death from Rosenbaum.
Imagine if the circumstances were exactly reversed, do you think the same people defending Rittenhouse would be defending Rosenbaum and calling it self-defense?
I am certain they would not.
 
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Dave_5k

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This is what I was getting at. KR was committing crime all the while he was in possession of that rifle. He killed Rosenbaum and nothing in the drone video KR was in imminent danger of death from Rosenbaum.
This will be handled in the final instructions to the jury, as to the applicable standard(s) for self defense. This could be just the very low bar that generally applies, or just this higher criminal standard, or an explanation of both. I’m not certain if the prosecution has pushed or will try to push to have the higher standard apply. Do expect arguments over jury instructions to get heated.
 

Dave_5k

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Imagine if the circumstances were exactly reversed, do you think the same people defending Rittenhouse would be defending Rosenbaum and calling it self-defense?
I am certain they would not.
They still might have, instead making Rosenbaum out as a champion, especially if Rosenbaum took the gun and then shot a couple more people. The background of Rosenbaum seemed he might fit right in with the GQP
 
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