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Greenman

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Like someone else predicted, I won't be surprised if he will be found "innocent" due to the bias of the Judge from the get go. Why tell the prosecution that the two people he "murdered" cannot be referred to as "victims"? Hopefully the jury will do so otherwise.

No one is ever found innocent in court, it's guilty or not guilty.
The reason the two dead fellows can't be called victims is that assumes guilt on the part of KR. We don't know if they're victims, they could be perpetrators.
 

Paratus

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thank god there are people who understand that an aggressor does not need a weapon to defend himself. why is that so fucking hard for you people to understand that? you guys are very butt hurt that the trial is not going in your way so you won't get your virtual blood on your tongue. swampy ass forum.
I asked a simple question. What am I supposed to see? I know you ammosexuals assume every armed white man shooting an unarmed person is a hero but by law it actually depends on the circumstances of the shooting.

For example most self-defense laws need a reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm or death. Now to an ammosexual this may seem like a low bar since you guys are deathly afraid of immigrants, melanin, women, liberals, vaccines, books, civil rights, voting rights, and Big Bird. None of those however are reasonable fears under the law.

He also can’t have been the aggressor before shooting.

So help me out and put what happened in context. What am I supposed to see in that video? What happened before the drone video?
 

HomerJS

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The footage showed Rosenbaum following Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse suddenly spins around and fires his rifle at him. Rosenbaum falls, and Rittenhouse runs around a car.
Drone video shown at Kyle Rittenhouse trial shows teen fatally shooting man at close range during Kenosha protests - CBS News

I'll make it bigger in case you didn't see it the second time
The footage showed Rosenbaum following Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse suddenly spins around and fires his rifle at him. Rosenbaum falls, and Rittenhouse runs around a car.
 
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SKORPI0

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No one is ever found innocent in court, it's guilty or not guilty.
The reason the two dead fellows can't be called victims is that assumes guilt on the part of KR. We don't know if they're victims, they could be perpetrators.
thanks for the clarification.
 

soundforbjt

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I asked a simple question. What am I supposed to see? I know you ammosexuals assume every armed white man shooting an unarmed person is a hero but by law it actually depends on the circumstances of the shooting.

For example most self-defense laws need a reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm or death. Now to an ammosexual this may seem like a low bar since you guys are deathly afraid of immigrants, melanin, women, liberals, vaccines, books, civil rights, voting rights, and Big Bird. None of those however are reasonable fears under the law.

He also can’t have been the aggressor before shooting.

So help me out and put what happened in context. What am I supposed to see in that video? What happened before the drone video?
KR was the aggressor the minute he aimed the gun at Rosenbaum seconds before KR ran to the spot where he shot Rosenbaum.
 
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Greenman

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And neither conclusively means the accused did or did not do what they were charged with.
Of course not. Isn't the rule "beyond a reasonable doubt"?
The court system is far from perfect, but it's also a hell of a lot better than an angry mob. In the case of KR, the media had convicted him the day after the event. Right here in this thread a whole bunch of people decided his guilt on day one, and have no interest in hearing anything to the contrary.

Your one of those people, you don't want a trial, you want a conviction. You hate KR for political reasons and would happily see him spend the rest of his life behind bars.

I'll wait for a jury to decide the outcome, and accept their decision.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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In the case of KR, the media had convicted him the day after the event.
That often happens when there's incredibly obvious video evidence, well enough for any normal person to look at it and say 'yep, that person did the wrong thing.

You hate KR for political reasons and would happily see him spend the rest of his life behind bars.
Nope, I hate him because he placed himself in a situation where he knew he'd have an opportunity to shoot someone in 'self defense', then fucks like you waddle out to say that it was self defense.

If this was a black guy that went to a Trump rally with a 'Fuck Trump' shirt and an AR-15, then shot a few folk, you'd be calling him guilty, because he would be.
 

Vic

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That often happens when there's incredibly obvious video evidence, well enough for any normal person to look at it and say 'yep, that person did the wrong thing.


Nope, I hate him because he placed himself in a situation where he knew he'd have an opportunity to shoot someone in 'self defense', then fucks like you waddle out to say that it was self defense.

If this was a black guy that went to a Trump rally with a 'Fuck Trump' shirt and an AR-15, then shot a few folk, you'd be calling him guilty, because he would be.
Yep, the ongoing abuse of self-defense by the right-wing is the heart of the issue here. The law in all states is explicit in that a person cannot be an aggressor to an altercation, and use the claim of self-defense to evade prosecution for their actions. And yet over and over and over again that is exactly what conservatives are doing to justify their violence, even in cases that are just fucking egregious.
It needs to stop. But unfortunately, Rittenhouse is going to get off here, and yet another wave of right-wing violence will occur as the result of that.
 
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Greenman

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That often happens when there's incredibly obvious video evidence, well enough for any normal person to look at it and say 'yep, that person did the wrong thing.


Nope, I hate him because he placed himself in a situation where he knew he'd have an opportunity to shoot someone in 'self defense', then fucks like you waddle out to say that it was self defense.

If this was a black guy that went to a Trump rally with a 'Fuck Trump' shirt and an AR-15, then shot a few folk, you'd be calling him guilty, because he would be.
Perfect example right here. I never sad he was innocent, though it may not matter due to the inept prosecution. You hate what you think he stands for, and you want him punished for that. What you don't understand is that thinking is why we have jury's and trials. You want to convict through hate, I find the other method preferable.
 
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soundforbjt

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Perfect example right here. I never sad he was innocent, though it may not matter due to the inept prosecution. You hate what you think he stands for, and you want him punished for that. What you don't understand is that thinking is why we have jury's and trials. You want to convict through hate, I find the other method preferable.
Why do you say the inept prosecution? The judge has done more to the contributions of ineptness.
 
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soundforbjt

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Will this be the first ‘self-defense ‘ case where the defendant was never physically touched, ‘aggressor’ not armed and gets off? Don’t remember any in recent times.
 
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sportage

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If the kid is found not guilty the first question out of the kids mouth will be.... CAN I HAVE MY GUN BACK NOW?
 

Vic

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Perfect example right here. I never sad he was innocent, though it may not matter due to the inept prosecution. You hate what you think he stands for, and you want him punished for that. What you don't understand is that thinking is why we have jury's and trials. You want to convict through hate, I find the other method preferable.

I for one am perfectly okay with hating people who stand for going out and getting in brawls and killing people over differences of opinion. That behavior is antisocial, violent, criminal, and detestable, even if biased persons and courts try to protect and defend it when their 'side' does it.
And what it makes it even more detestable is when a biased and self-admittedly ignorant hypocrite like yourself defends extrajudicial killings with that's 'why we have juries and trials.'
I get it that almost every conservative in this country believes that equal protection of the laws is 'communism,' but it isn't. It's the Constitution.
If Rittenhouse's victims were breaking the law, then they deserved their same day in court that Rittenhouse is currently enjoying. The same goes for George Floyd, and all the other extrajudicial executions that the right-wing likes to claim as self-defense or law and order.
 

sportage

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This judge is giving the performance of a lifetime.

Sure is.
This is a trial not prosecution vs the kid, but the prosecution vs the judge. It's like this judge is just another acting defense lawyer.

Someone on court tv said to expect both this judge and Rittenhouse to appear on dancing with the stars.
This entire trial is a joke. The prosecution can't even bring up why was this kid with an assault weapon there in the first place?
 

Commodus

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This judge reminds more than a little of Judge Hoffman from the trial of the Chicago 7, only this time with an obvious bias toward the defense instead of against it. I'm half-surprised someone on the prosecution hasn't been bound and gagged yet.
 

MrSquished

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Yet you spew the exact same crap here.

Classic delusional symptoms. 'Oh I'm not like them' - when you are exactly like them and worse.

Typical right wing POS pretending to themselves they aren't a POS because they like how that makes them feel better.
 
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Classic delusional symptoms. 'Oh I'm not like them' - when you are exactly like them and worse.

Typical right wing POS pretending to themselves they aren't a POS because they like how that makes them feel better.
And don't forget the ubiquitous "who, me?!?' defense. That shit never gets old
 
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akugami

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It’s sad. Here we have again a poor kid consumed and obsessed with guns and thus obsessed with the biggest nastiest guns made. Guns that at one time were only allowed in the armed forces I.e. the military. Naturally a 17 year old kid is going to want to own one of those nasty big guns for themself, and so much so that he asked an adult to help buy this gun that he himself knew he could not buy nor own on his own.

Thanks NRA. Good job in making America a country of gun lovers. But not just gun lovers, a country of the gun obsessed.

I don't have a problem with guns, and neither do most people. The problem is we shouldn't be selling assault rifles to any Tom, Dick, or Harry. There needs to be more background and safety checks before someone can buy a gun. If you really want a gun, and aren't using it for illegal purposes, there's a 99.99% chance you can wait another two weeks (or however long it normally takes) for background checks and a waiting period to clear. Higher powered rifles should require collector's license or something.

Most people voting for gun restrictions are NOT against gun ownership. But the NRA has just about made it so anyone off the street can walk in, buy as many guns as they want, and no one knows where these guns go. And that's a bad thing.
 

akugami

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The differences in defendants outside and inside court always makes me laugh.



That's right dipshit, court those Proud Boys, throw that OK symbol. Message received loud and clear.

That picture on the left says it all. After killing three persons with an illegally obtained weapon, he went out to a bar, drinking and throwing out white supremacy symbols. Anyone not stupid knows he went and illegally put himself into a dangerous situation while heavily armed. It wasn't rocket science for the conclusion of the night.

The judge is doing everything in his power to make sure Rittenhouse walks free of any serious charge.
 

Jaskalas

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What am I supposed to see here? I see a man with no obvious weapons in his hand running at KR who turns and shoots him several times at close range with his rifle.

You see self defense. As it is. As it SHOULD be.
How can you witness an assailant chase down and attack someone and come to any other conclusion?

If you need some context behind Rosenbaum's attack, the trial gave PLENTY of it!!!

Here's what Richard McGinness said he saw.
PROSECUTOR: I mean you have no idea what Mr. Rosenbaum was thinking at any point of his life. You have never been inside his head, you never met him before.
MCGINNISS: I never exchanged words with him, if that’s what your question is.
PROSECUTOR: So your interpretation of what he was trying to do or what he was intending to do or anything along those lines is complete guesswork isn’t it.
MCGINNISS: Well he said f--- you and reached for the weapon.
Well, there's that. So a convicted child molester with a long and violent criminal history runs up to Kyle Rittenhouse out of nowhere in the middle of a riot and tries to take his gun away. So Rittenhouse shot him. That's what happened. Those are the facts. Again, according to the prosecution’s own witness. And not just one witness.
Today, the prosecution's medical expert, a man called Doug Kelly, testified that Joseph Rosenbaum appeared to be grabbing the barrel of Kyle Rittenhouse's rifle when Rittenhouse fired. Then yet another prosecution witness, this one called Ryan Balch, testified that Joseph Rosenbaum said out loud that he intended to kill Kyle Rittenhouse.
BALCH: And I stepped in and told everybody, "chill out, calm down, stop doing that." I turned and had an exchange with one of the protestors and I kind of explained to that protester, I get what you’re trying to do but not this. And when I turned around, Rosenbaum was right there in front of my face yelling and screaming. And I said dude, back up chill, I don’t know what your problem is. And he goes you know what, if I catch one of you guys alone tonight I’m going to f---ing kill you."
BINGER: And he said that to you?
BALCH: Correct.
BINGER: Did he say that to the defendant as well?
BALCH: Well the defendant was there – so yes.
 
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