Rittenhouse trial to start soon, Judge is laying out rules.

[nOOky]

IMHO the kids intent was obvious. He was running around like a school kid allowed to stay up late to play after dark in the street, all giddy and looking for trouble. He found it. The looting and rioting and whatever else was going on has nothing to do with it. If the kid was not there acting illegally (you have to be 18 to open carry in WI) none of this would have happened. The police failed, probably because the kid was white, to stop him nor did they give him any interest other than to tell him good job and offer him water.

If he had decent parents none of this would have happened, but his parents appear to be the type of people that root for this kind of stuff. Sad, very sad.

 

[Greenman]

Absent Rittenhouse illegally carrying a gun across state lines how would he have been able to shoot anyone?

That's not consistent with the little I've read about the event. The weapon was acquired in the state it was used, unless something has changed in the last few days.
The reality is he had no business being there, but there were also a whole bunch of other people that had no business being there. It was an orgy of stupidity and violence, the wonder is how few people were killed.
I don't know if the kid is guilty or not, as the story is always slanted depending on the politics of who is telling it. I'll accept whatever a jury decides.

 

[HomerJS]

That's not consistent with the little I've read about the event. The weapon was acquired in the state it was used, unless something has changed in the last few days.
The reality is he had no business being there, but there were also a whole bunch of other people that had no business being there. It was an orgy of stupidity and violence, the wonder is how few people were killed.
I don't know if the kid is guilty or not, as the story is always slanted depending on the politics of who is telling it. I'll accept whatever a jury decides.

It is also illegal for anyone under 18 to possess that weapon in Wisconsin without parental supervision. He was 17.

 

[Jhhnn]

To help protect a car lot for being looted and burned after it was already damaged in the 1st night of BLM/Antifa rioting. You did see the video of the local police welcoming him didn't you?

Except the shootings occurred in a different location. Funny that. If it was his "job" to protect the dealership, it's also funny that nobody admits to having hired him.

 

[soundforbjt]

The police should be on trial here. They failed to check his ID when they saw a young person with a gun, and also failed to stop him as he was walking past police with multiple people yelling to the police that he had shot someone.If police had checked him out earlier, none of this would’ve happened.

 

[Greenman]

It is also illegal for anyone under 18 to possess that weapon in Wisconsin without parental supervision. He was 17.

Then he should be charged with that crime as well.
I have no issue with the kid being punished for his crimes, as long as he's convicted of those crimes before he's punished. It seems that we often want to skip that part and go straight to the sentencing.

 

[dainthomas]

Then he should be charged with that crime as well.
I have no issue with the kid being punished for his crimes, as long as he's convicted of those crimes before he's punished. It seems that we often want to skip that part and go straight to the sentencing.

Like how he wanted to go all Rambo on people who were (checks notes) allegedly trashing a used car dealership in some other state. I missed their trial, somehow.

 

[HomerJS]

Then he should be charged with that crime as well.
I have no issue with the kid being punished for his crimes, as long as he's convicted of those crimes before he's punished. It seems that we often want to skip that part and go straight to the sentencing.

I don't see how self defense with a gun can be found when it was illegal for him to have it in the first place.

Like in my example if you get hit in the back driving it is almost always the second drivers fault, except if you are making an illegal turn at the time like I did over 20 years ago.

 

[soundforbjt]

He cannot be the gun owner, he couldn’t legally purchase a gun. Isn’t the owner his Wisconsin friends stepdad or something?

Edit: no matter what happens to Kyle, I predict civil cases to follow.

 

[dank69]

Did he though? I thought this trial was just getting underway I didn't realize the court had already made a verdict on murder.....oh wait those pesky courts are a real bother aren't they? Taking so long to finally come to a conclusion that we already know is true. The court of public opinion is swift, just and always right......

Oh yeah, courts always get it right...

 

[dank69]

Then he should be charged with that crime as well.
I have no issue with the kid being punished for his crimes, as long as he's convicted of those crimes before he's punished. It seems that we often want to skip that part and go straight to the sentencing.

It's too bad the people he killed didn't get a trial first, right?

 

[HurleyBird]

I don't see how self defense with a gun can be found when it was illegal for him to have it in the first place.

Because whether it was illegal or not is an open question, if illegal it was only a misdemeanor, not a felony, but even if it were a felony that wouldn't have any bearing on a self defense claim. Just because you are doing something illegal does not mean you have to lay your life down if someone comes after it. You just can't be the aggressor. Even if you are the aggressor, you can regain your right to self defense by retreating.

A classic example is if you start a fight at a bar (which is assault), the other guy pulls out a knife, and you retreat but he comes after you with the knife, then you may have a valid self defense claim if you pull out a gun and shoot him. Just because you started the fight does not mean that you have to let yourself get stabbed to death.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Defending against a socialist takeover of the country is self defense.

This didn't happen at the Capitol.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Ah, but law is based on the notion there is such a thing as justice and if, as you say, justice is only what people want then there is no such thing as justice and that would mean I am a liar if I say that what I really want is real justice or that I could have any objective idea as to what it might be. But I know that scientific studies of monkeys have demonstrated that even they know when games that are designed to reward them are rigged in such a say as to be unfair. They won't play such a rigged game. And look at you, you obviously know that lynchings are evil. What it boils down to then is that you have already decided that the judge is interested in stopping a lynching meaning you are the one who has determined what justice is based on what you want, a case in which a judge is trying to stop a lynching. But what if a lynching is just what justice in this case demands? I have no idea but you have already determined what the truth is and rather than see that in you, you see it in me. All I see are marching programmed machines driven by wound up by ideologically springs.

How do you bring a programmed machine to justice?

Reprogram it for justice?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

It is also illegal for anyone under 18 to possess that weapon in Wisconsin without parental supervision. He was 17.

So it's possible he may be convicted of a misdemeanor firearms charge. Unless the people he was with qualify as supervision under the law.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Except the shootings occurred in a different location. Funny that. If it was his "job" to protect the dealership, it's also funny that nobody admits to having hired him.

Quote of your post "hired". Does it require him to be hired or possibly only asked?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Like how he wanted to go all Rambo on people who were (checks notes) allegedly trashing a used car dealership in some other state. I missed their trial, somehow.

This site is trying to track all the felony arrests by BLM/Antifa and other criminal rioters. .

Tracking federal and non-federal cases related to Summer-Fall protests, riots, & uprisings - the Prosecution Project

Latest update: December 29, 2022 Original post: July 1, 2020 Since the murder of George Floyd on May 25, 2020 by Minneapolis police and the resulting waves of protests nationwide, tPP has fielded many requests to help provide a count of resulting felony cases. The early summer protests, riots...

theprosecutionproject.org

 

[MichaelMay]

Then there is this:



I'd say this speaks to his state of mind but apparently the prosecutor is not allowed to present evidence in this case.

 

[Jhhnn]

Quote of your post "hired". Does it require him to be hired or possibly only asked?

Either way, what he was supposedly protecting was 4 blocks away from where the shooting occurred.

 

[outriding]

Either way, what he was supposedly protecting was 4 blocks away from where the shooting occurred.

Duhh he was on a union break stretching his legs and accidentally stepped into a murderous riot

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Then there is this:
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I'd say this speaks to his state of mind but apparently the prosecutor is not allowed to present evidence in this case.

The Nation..............speaks for itself.

 

[Maxima1]

Then there is this:

I'd say this speaks to his state of mind but apparently the prosecutor is not allowed to present evidence in this case.

The evidence is the video of the chase. If you want to introduce that video where he's just shit talking, then the defense should be able to introduce Rosenbaum's pedo conviction/bad behavior at the prison/suicidal ideation and sk8terboi's false imprisonment conviction.

I don't see how self defense with a gun can be found when it was illegal for him to have it in the first place.

Like in my example if you get hit in the back driving it is almost always the second drivers fault, except if you are making an illegal turn at the time like I did over 20 years ago.

Not being of age is a separate issue. Trying to tie them together in that he can't claim self-defense no matter the circumstance is basically just advocating for the inane felony murder type laws (in this case, him not being old enough is just a misdemeanor, btw). I'm not sure what you're trying to point out as analogous in that example but a more apt one would be someone driving under the influence but the OTHER driver caused the accident. I think you can understand that someone under the influence could not necessarily be the one at fault.

 

[Moonbeam]

Reprogram it for justice?

And if you could do that, if one somehow was to become rid of programming, if one could regain one’s innate sense of justice minus all the nonsense societal programming this or that interest in vengeance tells us it should falsely be, what would be the point or the need, then, to bring this newly enlightened and presently morally awakened person to trial when in fact he or she would now have the emotional clarity and rational perspective not only to intuit justice unfailingly, but to be singular among the masses of his peers to be fit to judge them rather than the other way about?

 

[Moonbeam]

This didn't happen at the Capitol.

Where have you been? Surely you know that at least since we foolishly abandoned victory in Viet Nam the country has been threatened at tha Texas border by communism, and that since all the liberal traitors who cut the budgets to the military industrial complex have continued to weaken white privileged from within. The liberal enemy is everywhere, even in you teeth fillings in your tooth paste and under your bed. I just learned today they are secretly vaccinating us through our noses with COVID test cotton swabs.

 

[cytg111]

Then there is this:
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I'd say this speaks to his state of mind but apparently the prosecutor is not allowed to present evidence in this case.

IANAL but damn. I am smelling Kompromat hanging over this judges head.. something fishy.