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dlerious

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Let me help you. I said is there any other evidence... So, given the only evidence that was introduced in court was by Kyle and his friend and given his propensity for both lying and being comfortable breaking laws (driving without a license, straw purchase, that he was a MEDIC). And also not finding his story credible that the gun was stored in a safe in his friend's father's house but somehow the day he needed it, he walked into the house and his AR15 was not in a safe. I do not find any of his testimony or that of his friend credible. And so absent any other corroborating evidence, I do no believe it is has been established or is a A FACT that he did not cross state lines with a rifle. Now, it is also NOT a FACT that he did cross state lines with a gun. But I still believe the latter is more likely given his propensity for not giving a shit and LYING.
Let me help you. My original post was in response to someone who suggested an interstate weapons charge. There is no evidence (zip, zilch, nada) that the gun left Wisconsin. There is a statement from Kyle and corroborated by his friend that it didn't. Your belief that they're not credible has no bearing on the FACT that there's no evidence proving otherwise.
 

soundforbjt

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Let me help you. My original post was in response to someone who suggested an interstate weapons charge. There is no evidence (zip, zilch, nada) that the gun left Wisconsin. There is a statement from Kyle and corroborated by his friend that it didn't. Your belief that they're not credible has no bearing on the FACT that there's no evidence proving otherwise.
The only thing that makes me think he did is the fact that he carried his body armor in his trunk.
 

woolfe9998

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Guilty or innocent on the part of Rittenhouse as an individual, this case highlights what's wrong with open carry. People openly carrying firearms is a provocative act. Whether it provoked these victims to fear or anger, we'll never know, but one thing is clear: had Rittenhouse not been allowed to openly carry an assault rifle, none of this would ever have happened.
 

soundforbjt

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Guilty or innocent on the part of Rittenhouse as an individual, this case highlights what's wrong with open carry. People openly carrying firearms is a provocative act. Whether it provoked these victims to fear or anger, we'll never know, but one thing is clear: had Rittenhouse not been allowed to openly carry an assault rifle, none of this would ever have happened.
Can Black ( guy who purchased the gun for KR) be subject to any civil litigation?
 

Vic

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Guilty or innocent on the part of Rittenhouse as an individual, this case highlights what's wrong with open carry. People openly carrying firearms is a provocative act. Whether it provoked these victims to fear or anger, we'll never know, but one thing is clear: had Rittenhouse not been allowed to openly carry an assault rifle, none of this would ever have happened.

There certainly needs to be a larger discussion around that whole "good guy with a gun" narrative, because this has certainly proven that false.
 
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woolfe9998

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Can Black ( guy who purchased the gun for KR) be subject to any civil litigation?

Possibly. Since Rittenhouse was a minor, the argument would be that the purchaser should have known better than to buy an assault rifle for a minor with no training. So one example of inexperience here was that Rittenhouse at times pointed the gun at people instead of keeping the barrel pointed downwards.
 
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K1052

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Guilty or innocent on the part of Rittenhouse as an individual, this case highlights what's wrong with open carry. People openly carrying firearms is a provocative act. Whether it provoked these victims to fear or anger, we'll never know, but one thing is clear: had Rittenhouse not been allowed to openly carry an assault rifle, none of this would ever have happened.

The people I've met who open carry I would generally describe as either extremely insecure, borderline delusional LARPers, or looking for a fight. The vast majority of people who carry concealed are not that way in my experience.
 

nOOky

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The people I've met who open carry I would generally describe as either extremely insecure, borderline delusional LARPers, or looking for a fight. The vast majority of people who carry concealed are not that way in my experience.

Trained concealed carry folks bash people that open carry regularly, open carry is stupid for so many reasons.
 
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MrSquished

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Trained concealed carry folks bash people that open carry regularly, open carry is stupid for so many reasons.
Most people that open carry regularly are conservatives. So of course they are most likely douchebag scum. I mean this is just science at this point.
 
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Terrible situation but honestly it makes me think about what his intentions were going to WI in the first place. Did rioters that traveled to WI intend to destroy property? Did he intend to defend property? Did he intend to do that with deadly force, if necessary? Did he intend to get into a confrontation? (kid has pointed real guns at people before) Did he bring his rifle for safety? If he thought it was that dangerous why didn't he just stay home? Did he bring it for intimidation? Sure it's been discussed here ad nasueum im just going through the thread.

People are hailing this kid as a hero lol, Im not sure how but I just asked myself those questions and it seems pretty clear to me. Kinda crazy he got off without anything IMO but I seem to be in the minority everywhere except here.
Did you know that his father and other family members live in Kenosha and he visits friends there frequently and that Kenosha is less than 20 miles from his mothers home in Illinois? His rifle was at a friends house in Kenosha and never left the State. Go through the thread a little harder next time.
 
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Pretty much with @gothuevos . Everyone's shitty here. But Kyle Rittenhouse got out scott free with murder. He knowingly put himself in a dangerous situation with an assault rifle, and we're supposed to be surprised the mob didn't take well to it? And the prosecution did a piss poor job, but was also handcuffed by the judge.
The prosecutor was also handcuffed by the applicable laws. Sucks to have to obey the law doesn't it?
 
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The "horrible excuses for citizens" were protesting racial bigotry and hatred. I guess you hate the fact that people want to be free of persecution for those animals (aka black people, Asians, and other minorities). And if you kill a few animals along the way, who cares right? They weren't white.
Is that why they burned and/or looted or 200+ businesses? Protesting racial bigotry by rioting, looting, arson and assault? You dumbass.
 
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Yeah, a place where a white 17 year old with a gun he shouldn't have had can kill 3 people, walk past the police, sleep in his bed that night, then claim self defense, nothing happens to him and a large part of the country including elected officials celebrate him. I come from a country where life is cheap.. The US seems to be going down that path.
Almost sounds like he's a Kennedy.
 
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Aikouka

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Guilty or innocent on the part of Rittenhouse as an individual, this case highlights what's wrong with open carry. People openly carrying firearms is a provocative act. Whether it provoked these victims to fear or anger, we'll never know, but one thing is clear: had Rittenhouse not been allowed to openly carry an assault rifle, none of this would ever have happened.
I’ll admit that I’m somewhat uneasy when I see people carrying easily visible firearms (including cops). The thing is… I’m not afraid of guns. I may have no interest in them, but I grew up around them. I was with my dad at the shooting range around guns. I have been in my uncle’s “gun room” (what I call it). This stuff never bothered me. The thing is that while I know the weapon, I don’t know the wielder. I don’t fear the scythe, I fear the reaper.
 
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himkhan

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Is that why they burned and/or looted or 200+ businesses? Protesting racial bigotry by rioting, looting, arson and assault? You dumbass.

Proof? All anyone being objective saw were Proud Bois, Boogaloo Bois, and Oath Keepers inciting and shooting up cities posing as BLM or whatever other boogeymen you are inventing. They are in Portland as I type this.
 

HomerJS

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Proof? All anyone being objective saw were Proud Bois, Boogaloo Bois, and Oath Keepers inciting and shooting up cities posing as BLM or whatever other boogeymen you are inventing. They are in Portland as I type this.
Proud/Boogaloo Boys already admitted in court they go to protests and pretend to be Antifa commit property damage just to cause mayhem
 

woolfe9998

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I’ll admit that I’m somewhat uneasy when I see people carrying easily visible firearms (including cops). The thing is… I’m not afraid of guns. I may have no interest in them, but I grew up around them. I was with my dad at the shooting range around guns. I have been in my uncle’s “gun room” (what I call it). This stuff never bothered me. The thing is that while I know the weapon, I don’t know the wielder. I don’t fear the scythe, I fear the reaper.

I think what adds to the uneasy is all these mass shootings which have occurred in recent years. These days you see someone with an assault rifle, you have to wonder if that person is going to be an active shooter. Open carry just isn't right. It isn't right to induce fear in people around you.
 
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