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VW MAN

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I agree but didn't want to go international in my post. I think people get tired of me saying most people in the world are bad which probably is the cause of racism on a national level in most countries. And wars. And not just most people in governments are bad, it's most people in the general population.

That's why the covid pandemic is a boon to the theory that most people are bad. Finally at least a few people here on the forums have changed their view that most people are good. The anti vax and pro Trump behavior of conservatives have riled up some progressives to the point they have finally admitted that most people are not good.

Edit: I'm adding this before any other posts have been made in the thread. Being a moderate I have to admit that it's the other way around too, that Dems and progressives have behaved badly to the point of conservatives saying they're had enough.
What dems, what progressives have behaved so badly it is forcing the R's to go full on fascist? Name the culprits and their policy positions!
 

Vic

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Please name a country in the world that isn't racist following your template?
Take a look around, and I think you'll see that almost all countries are racist (or nationalist, if you prefer). Japan is for the Japanese, China for the Hans, Britain for the British, and so forth, most everywhere. For most countries, some form of bigotry is wrapped up in their national identity.
And you see, that's what has always made America exceptional. That we strived to be better than other countries. The melting pot. The place where anyone could come here and make it with hard work and determination. The world's marketplace.
But now, in the words of a good friend of mine who legally immigrated to the US from Eastern Europe many years ago, "The problem with today's Republicans is that they want to make America just like the Old Country."
Truer words never spoke.
 
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ivwshane

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Take a look around, and I think you'll see that almost all countries are racist (or nationalist, if you prefer). Japan is for the Japanese, China for the Hans, Britain for the British, and so forth, most everywhere. For most countries, some form of bigotry is wrapped up their national identity.
And you see, that's what has always made America exceptional. That we strived to be better than other countries. The melting pot. The place where anyone could come here and make it with hard work and determination. The world's open marketplace.
But now, in the words of a good friend of mine who legally immigrated to the US from Eastern Europe many years ago, "The problem with today's Republicans is that they want to make America just like the Old Country."
Truer words never spoke.

Exactly! Republicans became so patriotic that they became anti American. They were so democratic that they became anti democratic. They were so pro election integrity that they now support election fraud. They were pro small government that they became big government.

They only thing they’ve been consistent on has been tax cuts for the rich and I’m sure that would change if billionaires, en mass, became super liberal.
 

Maxima1

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The supporters of armchair vigilante Rittenhouse are cool with his actions but when all of a sudden everyone on the street turned into vigilantes, now it's a problem?
Make up your minds. Either vigilantism is ok or it isn't.

Wisconsin allows open carry and Kyle didn't initiate a vigilante provocation, so that's my take on the difference. The question can be framed right back at you: Why do you support the street vigilantes? Huber and Gaige didn't witness a felony crime.

Here's something for you to be happy about. Comparison to Kyle:

Guilty of felony possession of firearm. According to the logic you used with Kyle, guilty of everything else, correct? Should he win the ghetto lottery as well? I think he wanted to sue, lol.

"Under the felony murder rule, the government may charge someone with killing someone he didn't actually kill if it's somehow connected to a tangential offense. Had Coffee not tried to defend himself that evening, the government argued, the officers would never have shot at them in return. Therefore, Coffee was supposedly guilty of murdering his partner.

The jury didn't buy it, acquitting Coffee on both charges. "I was trying to protect me and Alteria and I thought I was doing that," said Coffee, "but I feel I didn't protect her. I can't sleep with that….They killed her."
 

MrSquished

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Why would you think (erroneously) that i'm a fascist ? Yes, i live in Texas which has it's own self-defense laws. Unless you're the kind of fascist that thinks you should be able to force your own beliefs on other people in other States?

Look who's the authoritarian fascist in here and it's not me.

There you go, the federal government asserting it's authority over the slave owning states in the South, superseding their states rights, would have been facism to you, by your definition. Some states forcing their beliefs on others. You can never make a good argument.
 
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There you go, the federal government asserting it's authority over the slave owning states in the South, superseding their states rights, would have been facism to you, by your definition. Some states forcing their beliefs on others. You can never make a good argument.
You can't even spell it right, let alone understand it.
 

Viper1j

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You can't even spell it right, let alone understand it.

And how many tears are you shedding over poor Kyle again?

Kyle Rottenhouse at ASU, would be like Alexandra Wallace at UCLA.


As controversy over his enrollment swirls, ASU says Kyle Rittenhouse is no longer a student


Kyle Rittenhouse is not currently an Arizona State University student, the university confirmed Monday.

The 18-year-old, who was recently acquitted by a Wisconsin jury of all charges in his shooting and killing of two men and wounding of a third in the aftermath of Kenosha protests, was taking online classes at ASU, he said during his testimony.

In recent media interviews, he said he wants to study on campus at ASU.

After Rittenhouse said on the witness stand on Nov. 10 that he was a college student at ASU, the university confirmed he enrolled as a non-degree-seeking online student for the session that started in mid-October, although he hadn't gone through the admissions process and wasn't enrolled in the nursing school. But according to the university, he’s not a student anymore.

“Our records show that he is not currently enrolled,” ASU spokesperson Jay Thorne wrote in an email. “There was no action taken by the university.”

Thorne would not provide more information about whether Rittenhouse withdrew from classes or why his enrollment status changed.

Recent days have seen protests online from ASU student groups and others demanding the university remove Rittenhouse from classes.

Four left-leaning student organizations were expected to hold a rally and protest on the Tempe campus Wednesday in support of getting him off campus — even though he was an online student — and urging ASU to meet other demands including making a statement against white supremacy and further supporting multicultural spaces on campus. There’s also an online petition stating ASU should not let Rittenhouse attend, which had over 6,000 signatures as of Monday evening.

Thorne would not comment on the planned rally or the online petition.

Rittenhouse may still enroll at ASU
Although it’s not clear from the university why Rittenhouse is no longer enrolled, it seems he can still apply for courses or a degree in the future.

“Any qualified individual can apply for admission,” Thorne wrote in an email.

The same would have been true with a guilty verdict. ASU does not ask questions about criminal history in the admissions process or for online enrollment, so even if Rittenhouse was imprisoned, he could continue as an ASU online student, Thorne previously said.

Rittenhouse said during two extensive interviews last week that he planned to continue studying at ASU.

He told Ashleigh Banfield in an interview on NewsNation that he took a “compassionate withdrawal” from two classes “because I got overwhelmed with trial coming on,” but that he plans to go back to school.

“Next semester that opens up, I’m going to re-enroll in those classes just so I can finish them up and pursue my career in nursing,” he said, adding that while he’s been taking classes online, he hopes he can be on campus.

And Rittenhouse told Tucker Carlson on Fox News that there were still things to look into, "but I do intend on going on campus,” with the intention of studying nursing, or maybe law, at ASU.

“I’m hoping I can live a quiet, stress-free life and be free of any intimidation or harassment and just go on with my life as a normal 18-year-old kid attending college,” he said.

“I’m hoping that people go back and understand the facts and be like, watch the trial, watch the prosecutorial misconduct that I believe happened, and realize that I was an innocent 17-year-old who was violently attacked and defended myself,” Rittenhouse told Carlson.

Planned rally stokes debate
The planned student rally Wednesday has sparked debate online over whether the student groups were right or wrong to call for Rittenhouse's removal from ASU.

A Twitter post announcing the anti-Rittenhouse rally on the Students for Socialism ASU Twitter page said Rittenhouse got "a not-guilty verdict from a flawed 'justice’ system,'" but said he’s still guilty to the victims and their families.

Groups listed on the flier are Students for Socialism, Students for Justice in Palestine, the Multicultural Solidarity Coalition and MECHA de ASU.

Students for Socialism said on Twitter Monday after news that Rittenhouse was no longer enrolled that the Wednesday rally will still happen for the other demands.

Republican gubernatorial candidate Matt Salmon — himself a former ASU lobbyist — urged ASU to investigate student harassment of Rittenhouse.

“It is completely outrageous that left-wing student groups are allowed to engage in a dangerous, ongoing harassment campaign against Kyle Rittenhouse, a fellow online ASU student, while university bureaucrats sit on their hands,” he said in a Monday statement.

"It is time for the far-left to respect our judicial system, and it is time for administrators at ASU to stand up for the rule of law and protect their students from these thugs."

Thorne, the ASU spokesperson, would not say whether administrators have plans to meet or engage with the student groups rallying for Rittenhouse’s expulsion.

 
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soundforbjt

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With all the lies Kyle has under his belt, republicans must be considering ruining him for office. He’s a perfect fit.
 
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Viper1j

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With all the lies Kyle has under his belt, republicans must be considering ruining him for office. He’s a perfect fit.

Pretty much what they thought about Alexandra Wallace. Her father was big in Ca Retrumplican politics.

Anybody know where she is today?
 

shortylickens

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I cant post any more links because of adblock block and paywalls. But I am glad he's getting the OJ treatment and I hope it ruins his life.

EVERYTHING I have ever been taught about self-defense says you cannot seek out criminals, murder them, then claim self-defense.
The angry stupid piece of shit is a vigilante, not a good guy with a gun.
 
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Pohemi

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Pretty much what they thought about Alexandra Wallace. Her father was big in Ca Retrumplican politics.

Anybody know where she is today?
She didn't murder several people in plain sight of hundreds of witnesses, and then get off scot-free at the trial. This kid is conservatard wet dreams. Looks like a few congress critters like Gaetz have already been fighting over giving him a job recently. I unfortunately think his name might stay in the public eye for a while. Which is shit.
 

Pohemi

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Is that how lying sacks of shit describe running away, running for your life against a rioting lynch mob?
It will always be self defense no matter how many lies are told about it.
Okay, so another idiot being disingenuous about the entire situation. Great.
 

Pens1566

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She didn't murder several people in plain sight of hundreds of witnesses, and then get off scot-free at the trial. This kid is conservatard wet dreams. Looks like a few congress critters like Gaetz have already been fighting over giving him a job recently. I unfortunately think his name might stay in the public eye for a while. Which is shit.

They can give him jobs grifting off the public teet, it's just that any of that $$$ is likely going to be headed straight towards the inevitable civil judgements against him.
 
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Viper1j

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I cant post any more links because of adblock block and paywalls. But I am glad he's getting the OJ treatment and I hope it ruins his life.

EVERYTHING I have ever been taught about self-defense says you cannot seek out criminals, murder them, then claim self-defense.
The angry stupid piece of shit is a vigilante, not a good guy with a gun.

Kylie girl is going to have to date a LOT of older men to pay that bill off.

And every time he gets on his knees in front of some old dude in some dark alley, he'll reflect how different things might have been, if he had just sat at home with his Playstation.
 
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sportage

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I can see him in the republican US house, or senate, but more likely the house. He fits right in. Right in....
 
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UNCjigga

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Rittenhouse is the epitome of the clueless conservate culture.

I didn’t think he was that bad—just a dumb kid who shouldn’t have had access to a gun and shouldn’t have travelled across state lines in the first place. Sure, shit happens when you’re dumb and it isn’t necessarily criminal/criminal intent. After the final verdict in the criminal lawsuit, I remember thinking—HOPING—Kyle Rittenhouse would be smart and not allow himself to be used as a tool by right wing media. He should’ve gone back to normal 18/19 year old life and had a chance at redefining his legacy.

We’ll, that didn’t happen, and he’s an adult now and responsible for profiting off of killing unarmed protestors. So in my book, Kyle Rittenhouse will always be a piece of shit. That’s his legacy now.
 

dawp

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Came here to post this, hope he loses big and can never profit from his actions, I don't think it was self defense and the inaction by the cops contributed to the killings.

As a side note, Kenosha is my hometown, left in 85 and never looked back, AMC was the major employer until Chrysler bought them for the Jeep brand and the plants shut down a few years later. Also used to be an international port and no longer is.
 
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