Rittenhouse trial to start soon, Judge is laying out rules.

[imported_tajmahal]

Rittenhouse merch endorsed by your op truly

Gun dealers sell weapon parts, ammo using anti-Biden slogan 'Let's go, Brandon'

The phrase “Let’s Go Brandon” has become right-wing code for profanity directed at the president. It arose from a crowd chant at the NASCAR racetrack in Talladega, Ala.

www.nbcnews.com

They also have one referencing Biden shitting himself in the Vatican with the Pope. I wouldn't buy either one.

 

[akugami]

Rittenhouse deserves to burn in hell.

Granted I don't follow his every move, but every piece of news I've seen of him shows he's a Grade-A Asshole.

There was no valid reason he was there, and there were many reasons why his presence there was illegal, much less be there illegally armed.

 

[Jaskalas]

Rittenhouse deserves to burn in hell.

Granted I don't follow his every move, but every piece of news I've seen of him shows he's a Grade-A Asshole.

There was no valid reason he was there, and there were many reasons why his presence there was illegal, much less be there illegally armed.

Is that right, only one group has a right to the streets, is that how you are playing this?
The ones rioting, looting, and burning? Oh, and trying to chase down and kill 17 year olds on the street.

That's what this is about. You identify with the riot and do not care the evil they were perpetratinging in Kenosha. You don't care that THEY were the ones who attacked. Who chased down and attempted to kill a teenager on the streets.

 

[Maxima1]

I keep hearing rumors of FBI aerial footage of the scene. I have no idea if they're real, hoax, hearsay or wishfull thinking.

It was showing that Rosenbaum hid behind a vehicle to ambush after he noticed RIttenhouse and jogged past to the cars. Ziminski (the one who shot the handgun) was also coordinating with Rosenbaum. Audio here doesn't help them at all to establish something provocative from Rittenhouse just before Rosenbaum rushes out from the cars. Sometime before this event, both Rittenhouse and Balch say that Rosenbaum threatened that if he ever caught either of them alone, they'd be dead.

Harold James on Twitter: "Kyle Rittenhouse: "Anybody need medical?" Rioters: "Lets get him" Rittenhouse: "Friendly, friendly, friendly" Rioters: "You won't do shit, motherfucker" Never seen before footage, Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defence... https://t.co/UweJa8wOTG" / Twitter

That picture is of an unarmed person trying to defend themselves from an armed murderer.
What you have preferred they had done? Kneel quietly so that Rittenhouse could take them execution-style?
Sick fuck.

So why didn't McGinnis take him down? Because he knew this wasn't an active shooter event. Both Gaige and Huber were trying to detain/punish Rittenhouse without knowing anything and didn't attempt to assess the situation with common sense. Unsurprisingly Huber had a conviction for false imprisonment.

I'm not racebaiting, I'm pointing out the obvious. Which is that if this entire narrative was exactly the same except that the racial and political identities of the participants were reversed, you and the OP would have a similarly opposite opinion of who was right and who was wrong, and who acted in self-defense.
And if changing just the racial identities of the participants in a narrative causes you to change your perception of right and wrong, then you might be a racist.
Like.. by definition.

Yeah, bullshit. Many people defending Kyle thought this was a bad shoot.

Florida Man Found Guilty Of Manslaughter In Dispute Over Handicapped Parking Space

Michael Drejka, who is white, shot and killed Markeis McGlockton, an unarmed black man, who had pushed him to the ground.

www.npr.org

 

[soundforbjt]

Has it come out yet on who Rittenhouse called immediately after killing Rosenbaum?
Edit: he called his friend who bought him the gun.

 

[HomerJS]

Is that right, only one group has a right to the streets, is that how you are playing this?
The ones rioting, looting, and burning? Oh, and trying to chase down and kill 17 year olds on the street.

That's what this is about. You identify with the riot and do not care the evil they were perpetratinging in Kenosha. You don't care that THEY were the ones who attacked. Who chased down and attempted to kill a teenager on the streets.

If a 17 year old killed a member of your family I suspect you would chase him down.
KR had no right being there armed with a rifle. That is a fact.

 

[HurleyBird]

The defense is seriously screwing up their case. Poor performance during opening statements yesterday, and today Binger (the prosecutor) is asking a million leading questions that the defense team is failing to object to, which would be inexcusable enough, but doubly so when you have a judge that almost always sides with you.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

JudgiePoo's not happy .....

Kyle Rittenhouse judge stops proceedings, fumes about media criticism

The judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial went on a prolonged rant against media criticism of the case Wednesday, saying he has followed the law and any assertions otherwise could be detrimental to t…

www.chicagotribune.com

.

 

[akugami]

Is that right, only one group has a right to the streets, is that how you are playing this?
The ones rioting, looting, and burning? Oh, and trying to chase down and kill 17 year olds on the street.

That's what this is about. You identify with the riot and do not care the evil they were perpetratinging in Kenosha. You don't care that THEY were the ones who attacked. Who chased down and attempted to kill a teenager on the streets.

I never said that only one group had the right to be there. With the curfew, everyone should have been staying home. But at least we understand WHY one group was there. They were protesting for racial equality.

Rittenhouse was an underage person breaking curfew, which means breaking the law by his very presence being there. Yes you can argue the others were too, but they were fighting for racial equality. Rittenhouse was there to be a vigilante and oppose those who were trying to fight for racial equality.

Rittenhouse illegally obtained a gun. Again to perform vigilante justice. He is not a member of law enforcement. It was not his property. He had zero rights being there. The police should have arrested him, but didn't.

Rittenhouse IS THE ONLY ONE WHO KILLED ANOTHER PERSON at that protest. One of Rittenhouse's victims was shot in the back by Rittenhouse. That's not self-defense. His being there illegally, with an illegally obtained weapon, is what caused the situation to unfold the way it did.

 

[HomerJS]

JudgiePoo's not happy .....

Kyle Rittenhouse judge stops proceedings, fumes about media criticism

The judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial went on a prolonged rant against media criticism of the case Wednesday, saying he has followed the law and any assertions otherwise could be detrimental to t…

www.chicagotribune.com

.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't everyone who is part of the trial not supposed to read/watch media about it?

 

[HurleyBird]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't everyone who is part of the trial not supposed to read/watch media about it?

Just the jury.

 

[Greenman]

I never said that only one group had the right to be there. With the curfew, everyone should have been staying home. But at least we understand WHY one group was there. They were protesting for racial equality.

Rittenhouse was an underage person breaking curfew, which means breaking the law by his very presence being there. Yes you can argue the others were too, but they were fighting for racial equality. Rittenhouse was there to be a vigilante and oppose those who were trying to fight for racial equality.

Rittenhouse illegally obtained a gun. Again to perform vigilante justice. He is not a member of law enforcement. It was not his property. He had zero rights being there. The police should have arrested him, but didn't.

Rittenhouse IS THE ONLY ONE WHO KILLED ANOTHER PERSON at that protest. One of Rittenhouse's victims was shot in the back by Rittenhouse. That's not self-defense. His being there illegally, with an illegally obtained weapon, is what caused the situation to unfold the way it did.

Good points. While watching the rioting, looting, and arson occur, I remember thinking that it was going to go a long way in the fight for racial equality. Seeing blacks and whites join together to loot a store brought a tear to my eye.

 

[HomerJS]

Yes i do.

If it's your premise blacks are treated the same by cops when it comes to gun possession how the following happen...

Tamir Rice
John Crawford

In both cases they were open carrying in an open carry state. In the case of Rice just like KR he was a minor open carrying but Rice had a toy

 

[himkhan]

Good points. While watching the rioting, looting, and arson occur, I remember thinking that it was going to go a long way in the fight for racial equality. Seeing blacks and whites join together to loot a store brought a tear to my eye.

Wait... are you talking about Wisconsin or Minnesota? It sounds like you talking about Ivan Harrison Hunter and his buddies who were surely in both cities as well as Portland.

You see, these far right extremists have been killing cops and shooting up police stations, like they have already admitted to in Minneapolis, while trying to make it look like Liberal/Democrats were the perpetrators. Isn't that crazy? Who is "BLM" or "Antifa" any way? Another CRT boogeyman the radical right has invented?

You see this Boogaloo boi Hunter admitted to firing 13 rounds from an AK-47-style rifle into the 3rd Precinct police station as rioters set the building alight in May 2020. He was then filmed yelling “Justice for Floyd!” Hunter wore a distinctive skull mask during the riot that investigators later matched to a video on his Facebook page.

How many other right wing radical white supremacist list him have been instigating these "riots" last summer? It's not like it's hard to put a black mask on and yell BLM while you commit crimes. LIke many conservatives are doing it would seem.

You see Hunter's association with the Boogaloo Bois was uncovered during an investigation of Steven Carrillo, a fellow “Boogaloo" member who has been charged with two murders in California, authorities said.

Some of Hunter’s Facebook communications with Carrillo appear to have come in between two murders of law enforcement officers Carrillo has been charged with, allegedly a part of the group's efforts to co-opt protests and kickstart a civil war, according to records released by law enforcement.

Carrillo is accused of ambushing two Santa Cruz County Sheriff's deputies on June 6, killing Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller, then scrawling the word “Boog” on the hood of a car in blood before he was detained.

The law enforcement records show Hunter sent a message to Carrillo saying “Boog.” Carrillo simply responded “did,” followed by “in hide mode.”

Carrillo has also been accused of the May 29 slaying of David Patrick Underwood, a member of the Homeland Security's Federal Protective Service who was guarding a U.S. courthouse in Oakland.

It is truly shameful but very predictable that far right wing radicals have been behind many of these riots, attacks, and cop murders. If an enemy won't present itself, create one.

There are folks that post here who carry water for these types. I wonder who they might be.

 

[Vic]

Good points. While watching the rioting, looting, and arson occur, I remember thinking that it was going to go a long way in the fight for racial equality. Seeing blacks and whites join together to loot a store brought a tear to my eye.

It's always amusing when biased assholes try to pretend that there weren't right-wing extremist groups rioting, looting, and brawling against racial equality at that same time.
It's like violent radical groups like the Proud Boys never existed, or that the leaders of violent right-wing thugs like Patriot Prayer (who terrorized Portland for 4 years with police help while that lying grifter Andy Ngo deliberately edited videos to falsify the facts) didn't plead guilty to felony charges of inciting riots.

Meanwhile, what exactly was Rittenhouse doing there? This argument that he was trying to help the protesters he ended up killing doesn't hold water. More likely is that he was trying to live out the usual right-wing extremist's fantasy of getting away with murder by intentionally placing himself in a situation where he would have no choice but to act in "self-defense."

 

[pete6032]

One juror already removed after joking about shooting of Jacob Blake.

Rittenhouse juror dismissal shows risk of bias in big cases

The juror dismissed from Kyle Rittenhouse’s murder trial apparently was trying to be funny when he cracked to a court security officer about the shooting of a Black man that set off the protests where Rittenhouse shot three people.

apnews.com

 

[soundforbjt]

One juror already removed after joking about shooting of Jacob Blake.

Rittenhouse juror dismissal shows risk of bias in big cases

The juror dismissed from Kyle Rittenhouse’s murder trial apparently was trying to be funny when he cracked to a court security officer about the shooting of a Black man that set off the protests where Rittenhouse shot three people.

apnews.com

Heard about that, wonder if he’s an exception because of stupidity or just an exception.

 

[HomerJS]

Heard about that, wonder if he’s an exception because of stupidity or just an exception.

Joking about the Blake shooting? Why didn't the prosecuting attorney question them about the catalyst of the protests?

 

[pete6032]

I find it hard to believe someone who would joke about this would be allowed through by the prosecutors. Hope the prosecution knows what they are doing.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

If it's your premise blacks are treated the same by cops when it comes to gun possession how the following happen...

Tamir Rice
John Crawford

In both cases they were open carrying in an open carry state. In the case of Rice just like KR he was a minor open carrying but Rice had a toy

Again, you are putting words in my mouth. When have i ever made the premise that whites and blacks are treated the same in this country?

 

[VW MAN]

Again, you are putting words in my mouth. When have i ever made the premise that whites and blacks are treated the same in this country?

Of course you have never said whites and blacks are treated equally. You prefer it this way. Fuck you clown and your giant clown shoes.

 

[HurleyBird]

I find it hard to believe someone who would joke about this would be allowed through by the prosecutors. Hope the prosecution knows what they are doing.

Jury selection was extremely expedited relative to, say, Chauvin, this time happening in a single day. And the last third or so of the process wasn't released to the public, if it was even recorded. Both prosecution and defense wanted to give a questionnaire, but were denied by the judge.

My own prediction is that you have at least a few people who slipped onto that jury who are dead set on Kyle's innocence, and also some who are dead set on his guilt. These jurors could be next to impossible to win over. I would not be surprised at all if we end up with a hung jury.

 

[HumblePie]

If a 17 year old killed a member of your family I suspect you would chase him down.
KR had no right being there armed with a rifle. That is a fact.

You are an idiot. That RIGHT is called the 2nd amendment. Sorry that pesky thing called the Constitution gets in the way of your world view. I am still amazed at how dumb the vast majority of people are in this forum on the clearest case of self defense the legal system has ever seen with the amount of evidence presented to date that is overwhelming proving it. Literally if Rittenhouse loses this case, the whole concept of the Bill Rights is dead and there is no right to self defense anymore in this country.

 

[HumblePie]

Jury selection was extremely expedited relative to, say, Chauvin, this time happening in a single day. And the last third or so of the process wasn't released to the public, if it was even recorded. Both prosecution and defense wanted to give a questionnaire, but were denied by the judge.

My own prediction is that you have at least a few people who slipped onto that jury who are dead set on Kyle's innocence, and also some who are dead set on his guilt. These jurors could be next to impossible to win over. I would not be surprised at all if we end up with a hung jury.

The way they do the jury is different there. They have 20 jurors right now (or had), but the actual 12 won't be announced until the day of decision if we ever get there. Assuming the case isn't tossed out before then on a summary judgement. I am not sure if they are basically going to do a another quick voir dire before announcing who the actual 12 are though. The biggest problem with this case has been the jury pool. Its massively tainted and I am still stupefied the trial wasn't done somewhere else.

 

[HurleyBird]

The way they do the jury is different there. They have 20 jurors right now (or had), but the actual 12 won't be announced until the day of decision if we ever get there.

Yes, I know. I'm saying that there are probably enough with predetermined, immovable positions on the 20 that you will also have some in the 12.

I am not sure if they are basically going to do a another quick voir dire before announcing who the actual 12 are though.

They won't. That would largely eviscerate the point of having a jury trial.

The biggest problem with this case has been the jury pool. Its massively tainted and I am still stupefied the trial wasn't done somewhere else.

Kenosha has by far the most sympathetic jury pool for Kyle. All of Wisconsin has been bombarded with media coverage, almost entirely slanted against Kyle. Kenosha however, experienced significant damage from the rioting. It shouldn't be this way, but if one is strongly against the protests they are most likely strongly for Kyle and vice versa, and you're going to find more people aligned against the protests in Kenosha than anywhere else in Wisconsin.