It wouldn't matter if Kyle was justified in shooting Rosenbaum or not, what would matter is what Grosskreutz and Huber understood at the time.
If the first part was a good shoot, then both Grosskreutz and Huber would be in the wrong if they killed Kyle insofar that in a hypothetical it could represent like a trolley problem i.e. killing the person in the right might save several dummies. I'm not sure why you think their case would be very strong when a reasonable person would NOT think it was an active shooter event. Anyone that says that it does is giving approval to police shooting for the most trivial of threats.
It wouldn't matter if Kyle was justified in shooting Rosenbaum or not, what would matter is what Grosskreutz and Huber understood at the time.
So what would be the boundary?
There has to be some limit otherwise you are suggesting anyone can pull out a gun and shoot the person who shot someone in self-defense and never be prosecuted for it.
The boundary is reasonableness. It's not whether Kyle was justified in shooting Rosenbaum or not. If it's reasonable for them to see Kyle as an active shooter, it's probably reasonable for them to go after him as a matter of self defense. The best defense against an active shooter is often not to go hide in a corner, but to have as many people as possible all try and stop him. Even if not, they may have a reasonable belief that they are protecting another from death or great bodily harm.
No, not anyone. Goes back to reasonableness. If the only thing that you know is that someone shot someone else for some reason, and nothing else, it's reasonable to be on your guard perhaps, but it isn't reasonable to decide to take their life at that moment.
If Kyle was in the right, it's difficult to think of a situation where they would be justified in killing him, so I just formed that statement that way. So why would it be reasonable to see it as an "active shooter"? This is leaving threat threshold to a very low level.
It wouldn't matter if Kyle was justified in shooting Rosenbaum or not, what would matter is what Grosskreutz and Huber understood at the time.
Good of you to admit his assailants were arsonists, looters and rioters. I didn't think you had that much honesty in yourself.Were any of these "rioters, arsonists and looters" actually found guilty of same in a court of law before one of your vigilante heroes executed them?
It seems that innocent until proven guilty is only for Republican voters, according to you. And it's open season on everyone else. Because freedom, amirite troll?
Who has made the claim that Alec Baldwin needs to go to prison for the shooting? Not me.Alec Baldwin needs to go to prison for not doublechecking a prop gun, say the people who are okay with armed vigilantes who go on killing sprees.
Actually they can, as can neighbors and others depending on jurisdiction. Again, it depends on what State you're talking about, laws differ.Potentially, yes. Since they were out in the open, on public streets and this kid was not an owner of whatever property they may have been damaging.
We all know that even property owners cannot use deadly force in most circumstances.
There is some question about whatever possibly 'authority' may have been transferred if the deputization question is resolved, but even sworn police officers can't always use deadly force.
If they are attempting to arrest you while using deadly force against you..... you can use deadly force to stop them. What would result is a ...............trial for the winner. Here's a case where a man returned fire thinking he had been fired upon.I have a question when it comes to vigilantism. Putting aside the wisdom, if protestors saw KR shoot people weren't they in their rights to perform a citizens arrest on him? If someone is attempting to arrest you do you have the right to shoot them.
What rules in that example?
Had you watched the aerial video, it's laughable to suggest that Kyle did the chasing.
All protesters should be armed with semi-automatic rifles and out on the streets.Exactly.
But posters here clearly only want to continue lying. The well documented video facts are right there. Have been for over a year. They have probably watched most of it. They !@#$ing know Rittenhouse was attacked and ran. They know Rittenhouse was cornered before he fired ONLY shots in self defense. They know a lynch mob was chasing Rittenhouse down the street and CAUGHT him. Again, only shots in self defense. Witness on stand already testified Rosenbaum was a belligerent who shouted "shoot me" while making threatening moves. We saw the threat he posed with our own eyes.
But the posters here DARE lie and describe it thus: "vigilantes who go on killing sprees.".
If these posters are not insane, then they are hateful bigots hiding behind social media and the chorus of lies others are making on their behalf. That teen is an "other" and they do not care about reality. No different from the men who ran down and murdered Ahmaud Arbery. Another person who was running for his life but declared guilty by a lynch mob. If that is the depth of their bigotry and the content of their character...
When exactly was Rittenhouse attacked and then ran? How was he “cornered “ , there was plenty of room for him to keep running if he chose to.Exactly.
But posters here clearly only want to continue lying. The well documented video facts are right there. Have been for over a year. They have probably watched most of it. They !@#$ing know Rittenhouse was attacked and ran. They know Rittenhouse was cornered before he fired ONLY shots in self defense. They know a lynch mob was chasing Rittenhouse down the street and CAUGHT him. Again, only shots in self defense. Witness on stand already testified Rosenbaum was a belligerent who shouted "shoot me" while making threatening moves. We saw the threat he posed with our own eyes.
But the posters here DARE lie and describe it thus: "vigilantes who go on killing sprees.".
If these posters are not insane, then they are hateful bigots hiding behind social media and the chorus of lies others are making on their behalf. That teen is an "other" and they do not care about reality. No different from the men who ran down and murdered Ahmaud Arbery. Another person who was running for his life but declared guilty by a lynch mob. If that is the depth of their bigotry and the content of their character...
Wrong thread?At least with one black on the jury maybe the stamp of approval for hunting and killing black people can be avoided for now. This country has descended into such an amoral abyss that I would move to another country tomorrow if I could afford to.
Is hunting humans a 2nd amendment right?
No. Here:Is hunting humans a 2nd amendment right?
Too bad that first part is conveniently ignoredNo. Here:
Second Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
You are welcome
Who has made the claim that Alec Baldwin needs to go to prison for the shooting? Not me.
I won't, i've accepted that money, influence, political pull and celebrity status usually give the elite a get out of jail card.
I thought the militia at the time was every white male over 21?Too bad that first part is conveniently ignored
I thought the militia at the time was every white male over 21?
Kyle sure did a lot of lying.
He lied that he was hired by Car Source.
He lied that he was an EMT.
He lied when he told one of the other guys he was with that he didn’t shoot anyone, even though he just had killed Rosenbaum.
He lied when he said he was gong to surrender to police.
Kyle doesn’t appear to be an honest person.