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RY62

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It's not bravery to intentionally place oneself in a situation where one will have to kill in "self-defense," it's just a sick way to get away with killing people.

Are we supposed to ignore the fact that the existence of "a situation where one will have to kill in "self-defense" is the root of the problem?

Follow a couple of simple rules and you can avoid being killed by someone who is acting in self defense. First, don't be out rioting, looting or otherwise causing damage to persons or property. Second, should you choose to engage in these acts, don't be stupid enough to attack an armed individual who is clearly attempting to defend against such actions.
 
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MrSquished

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Are we supposed to ignore the fact that the existence of "a situation where one will have to kill in "self-defense" is the root of the problem?

Follow a couple of simple rules and you can avoid being killed by someone who is acting in self defense. First, don't be out rioting, looting or otherwise causing damage to persons or property. Second, should you choose to engage in these acts, don't be stupid enough to attack an armed individual who is clearly attempting to defend against such actions.
There is no evidence those individuals were looting our rioting. Most people were there just observing or generally protesting.

Rittenhouse went looking to kill people and become famous. He claimed he was a medic. When he shot the first guy, he didn't try to give first aid. When someone told him to call 911 while they tried to compress the wound, he called a friend to show off that he shot someone instead.

He's a piece of shit, just like anyone that defends him.

The simple rule should be sociopaths should not be allowed to walk around with guns cosplaying cops and vigilantes.
 
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HomerJS

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Are we supposed to ignore the fact that the existence of "a situation where one will have to kill in "self-defense" is the root of the problem?

Follow a couple of simple rules and you can avoid being killed by someone who is acting in self defense. First, don't be out rioting, looting or otherwise causing damage to persons or property. Second, should you choose to engage in these acts, don't be stupid enough to attack an armed individual who is clearly attempting to defend against such actions.
Or if you are black don't be out in a neighborhood where white people think you don't belong.
 
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MrSquished

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We all know that if a 17 year old black kid open carried a rifle to the Trumpie protests at the Michigan State Courthouse, where they essentially tried to invade and break into the chambers, and two Trumpies ended up dead, he'd be on death row right now, if not dead by cop. And all our resident conservative filth would be cheering that on.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
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When he shot the first guy, he didn't try to give first aid.

Given the lynch mob that chased Rittenhouse down, caught him, tried to pummel, CLUB, and SHOOT him, who the !@#$ is going to stick around waiting to be murdered?
One man already attacked him. There is gunfire in the air. And other people are inciting violence against Rittenhouse, yelling to "brain" him. Which they then proceeded to actually try and do, btw. In case the strong video evidence of them trying to follow up on those threats somehow escaped your notice.

He's a piece of shit, just like anyone that defends him.

Shows what you think of our right to Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness. All because you are a sick !@#$ who only cares about his own, and doesn't give a damn that a lynch mob tried to kill a teen on the streets. Your complaint is that they failed to kill him. To hell with you.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Are we supposed to ignore the fact that the existence of "a situation where one will have to kill in "self-defense" is the root of the problem?

Follow a couple of simple rules and you can avoid being killed by someone who is acting in self defense. First, don't be out rioting, looting or otherwise causing damage to persons or property. Second, should you choose to engage in these acts, don't be stupid enough to attack an armed individual who is clearly attempting to defend against such actions.

Lol!!

Clearly identifying a good guy with a gun is pretty fucking easy but identifying a good guy without a gun, well that’s just nonsense!

Do you hear how fucking dumb you guys are? Seriously, do you hear it?

I’ll break it down for you just in case you aren’t as stupid as you come across in your post.

For one, identifying whether or not a person is doing good or bad is pretty fucking hard when both parties are in a situation where things are getting out of hand. Hell, it’s pretty fucking difficult to identify when both parties think they are the good guy.

But you know what about your post was the dumbest fucking thing you said? It’s that you think someone who clearly isn’t law enforcement has any right to threaten, let alone kill, another person because they think someone is in the wrong.

You idiots support vigilantism like marvel comics is real life and everyone is either a hero or a bad guy and things are black and white with nothing in between. News flash, it’s not black and white and while you excuse someone who won a competition because they had a gun you knowingly or unknowingly advocate for a society that is being anti democratic and certainly not in adherence with the constitution.
 
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HomerJS

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Given the lynch mob that chased Rittenhouse down, caught him, tried to pummel, CLUB, and SHOOT him, who the !@#$ is going to stick around waiting to be murdered?
One man already attacked him. There is gunfire in the air. And other people are inciting violence against Rittenhouse, yelling to "brain" him. Which they then proceeded to actually try and do, btw. In case the strong video evidence of them trying to follow up on those threats somehow escaped your notice.



Shows what you think of our right to Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness. All because you are a sick !@#$ who only cares about his own, and doesn't give a damn that a lynch mob tried to kill a teen on the streets. Your complaint is that they failed to kill him. To hell with you.
If there were a bunch of lynch mobs out that night looking to attack people why were the only people shot and killed in proximity to Rittenhouse?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Given the lynch mob that chased Rittenhouse down, caught him, tried to pummel, CLUB, and SHOOT him, who the !@#$ is going to stick around waiting to be murdered?
One man already attacked him. There is gunfire in the air. And other people are inciting violence against Rittenhouse, yelling to "brain" him. Which they then proceeded to actually try and do, btw. In case the strong video evidence of them trying to follow up on those threats somehow escaped your notice.



Shows what you think of our right to Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness. All because you are a sick !@#$ who only cares about his own, and doesn't give a damn that a lynch mob tried to kill a teen on the streets. Your complaint is that they failed to kill him. To hell with you.

I see you’ve regressed to your right wing thinking. Was this a personal choice or have you stopped taking your medication?

The thing you continue to fail at is that you think only one party was good and the other one was bad, your shortsightedness ignores the fact that both parties thought they were the good guys. So while you choose to only see a good shoot and not the other way around, you also fail to see the repercussions of believing such actions were good.

Pandora’s box has been opened and I guarantee you won’t like what happens next.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Given the lynch mob that chased Rittenhouse down, caught him, tried to pummel, CLUB, and SHOOT him, who the !@#$ is going to stick around waiting to be murdered?
One man already attacked him. There is gunfire in the air. And other people are inciting violence against Rittenhouse, yelling to "brain" him. Which they then proceeded to actually try and do, btw. In case the strong video evidence of them trying to follow up on those threats somehow escaped your notice.



Shows what you think of our right to Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness. All because you are a sick !@#$ who only cares about his own, and doesn't give a damn that a lynch mob tried to kill a teen on the streets. Your complaint is that they failed to kill him. To hell with you.
You are a jackass. Rittenhouse clearly wanted to shoot people and become famous. He injected himself into the situation pretending to be a medic and the magically the only people shot that day were by him. He is a wack job. If you want to defend cosplaying vigilante nuts creating havoc, you are a problem.
 
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RY62

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There is no evidence those individuals were looting our rioting. Most people were there just observing or generally protesting.

Rittenhouse went looking to kill people and become famous. He claimed he was a medic. When he shot the first guy, he didn't try to give first aid. When someone told him to call 911 while they tried to compress the wound, he called a friend to show off that he shot someone instead.

He's a piece of shit, just like anyone that defends him.

The simple rule should be sociopaths should not be allowed to walk around with guns cosplaying cops and vigilantes.

The persons who were there "just observing or generally protesting" and did not attack an armed individual went home that night.
 
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MrSquished

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The persons who were there "just observing or generally protesting" and did not attack an armed individual went home that night.
We don't know everything that happened that night. Two primary witnesses are dead. But we do know a kid that had praised himself shooting people on social media injected himself into a situation under false pretenses, and then did exactly that. You support blood hungry vigilante cosplaying wanna bes doing this. You are a garbage person deep down.
 

RY62

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Mar 13, 2005
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Lol!!

Clearly identifying a good guy with a gun is pretty fucking easy but identifying a good guy without a gun, well that’s just nonsense!

Do you hear how fucking dumb you guys are? Seriously, do you hear it?

I’ll break it down for you just in case you aren’t as stupid as you come across in your post.

For one, identifying whether or not a person is doing good or bad is pretty fucking hard when both parties are in a situation where things are getting out of hand. Hell, it’s pretty fucking difficult to identify when both parties think they are the good guy.

But you know what about your post was the dumbest fucking thing you said? It’s that you think someone who clearly isn’t law enforcement has any right to threaten, let alone kill, another person because they think someone is in the wrong.

You idiots support vigilantism like marvel comics is real life and everyone is either a hero or a bad guy and things are black and white with nothing in between. News flash, it’s not black and white and while you excuse someone who won a competition because they had a gun you knowingly or unknowingly advocate for a society that is being anti democratic and certainly not in adherence with the constitution.

The killing started when armed individual who had clearly not yet done anything wrong or illegal was attacked. Don't start no shit, won't be no shit. Protest peacefully and go home safely.
 

Zor Prime

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If someone is really that irate that the law was properly followed ... get the law changed to where you cannot protect yourself, or whatever you think needs done.
 

MrSquished

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The kid wanted to shoot people, posted about it on social media, r had just sucker punched a girl from behind the week before. He lied about his intentions to get nearer to his prey. He acted like a vigilante on a hunt. He was asked to call 911 and instead had the time to call his friend instead of 911 after shooting someone. What a medic! He fulfilled his dream and wanted to show off. When he got arrested he asked the cops to delete his social media.

He is a piece of shit. Those who defend him are nasty people.

If he was a black kid and the victims were Trumpers that tried to break into the legislature, those defending this sociopath would be calling for the black kids head, and he'd be found guilty 200%.
 
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MrSquished

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If there were a bunch of lynch mobs out that night looking to attack people why were the only people shot and killed in proximity to Rittenhouse?
They refuse to accept the evidence of the kid fantasizing about doing this, then going and doing it, and then calling a friend to tell them his great story. The one and only reason people got shot that night is because Kyle Rittenhouse wanted to go shoot people.

They don't want to admit that because they think it will make them look as bad as the horrific people they are inside.
 

Vic

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They consider attacking other people their god given right to "protest".
"How dare Americans be armed and able to protect themselves from us?!"
And the other 'they' believe it is their God given right to kill protesters. Rittenhouse bragged of wanting to do what he did before he did it. Hardly a heroic act of self-defense.

You know this is true, quit being so dishonest. Like when you replied to Luna about how 'they' are driven by tribalism when the only thing Luna cared about was that his side 'won.'
And I really like how you're heavily implying here that protesters aren't Americans and have no rights of their own. But you're above tribalism, right?

The cause of peace was not served here. What happened was that one side celebrated being able to get away with killing members of the other side by proxy. So expect more people to go out looking and hoping for more ways to kill in 'self-defense.' It is apparently what you want.
 
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DaaQ

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Or if you are black don't be out in a neighborhood where white people think you don't belong.
I am going to reply to this, as I was the one that liked your post.

As far as the other bullshit below, I grew up in metro Detroit area, born in early 70's, lived most of my life there until 2007.

So I lived in Dearborn Heights, across Beech Daily rd was Inkster. When I went to middle school, Inkster shut down their school district and ours absorbed the students. Now let me get out of the way now that Beech Daily rd was a dividing line between the black and white communities at that time. There was of course some crossover but generally that was THE line.
When I was in high school, my friends sister dated a black dude, he lived in a bad area, he was trying to get out as well, by focusing on school ect. Anyway, I would let him use my car to take his GF on dates, had dropped him off at home ect. Well one day skipping school, my friends and I went driving through that neighborhood. Friends GF was driving with Florida plates. We got pulled over, searched accused of looking for drugs ect. Whites in a black neighborhood. Cop was old white guy.

Anyway, I lived in that area for 30-35 years, and have NEVER been robbed by a black guy. Been in seediest parts of Detroit, been to raves supposedly hosted by Russian mafia, I had never been robbed by a black person.

Fast forward to 2007+ moved to Kentucky, and since that time, I have been robbed by white people twice, ripped off another time.

I went to Chatanooga for storm damage work, and all the KY/TN guys were telling me to make sure I didn't go to certain areas after dark. ( I knew exactly what they were implying) I did, nothing happened, people want their TV service restored. Doesn't matter if I'm white and they are black. Those co-workers thought I was crazy for doing it. I thought they were racist for not.

Either way it's ugly, I hope that my children's children will be color blind. I am raising two of them now. I only hope that these old world people die off and will be forgotten to history for their viciousness to long held beliefs that no longer apply.

/end rant.
 

Vic

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If someone is really that irate that the law was properly followed ... get the law changed to where you cannot protect yourself, or whatever you think needs done.
The law isn't the problem. And no one wants to take away anyone's right to protect themselves. The issue is that some people seem to believe that their right to self-defense means being able to start the fight they end up having to protect themselves in.
And funny thing, that is already illegal. Just not very well enforced.
 

emperus

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Let me help you. My original post was in response to someone who suggested an interstate weapons charge. There is no evidence (zip, zilch, nada) that the gun left Wisconsin. There is a statement from Kyle and corroborated by his friend that it didn't. Your belief that they're not credible has no bearing on the FACT that there's no evidence proving otherwise.

This was your original post I replied to.
My understanding was the gun remained in Wisconsin. He didn't cross state lines with it.

Again "YOUR UNDERSTANDING" is that this 17 year old kid who drove his car without a license across state lines with body armor in the trunk, to pick up his gun at his friend's house from a safe that was somehow just unlocked, that same friend being the one who helped him with that straw purchase, to go to a Rally where he LIED about being a MEDIC, isn't LYING about where the gun was? Does your UNDERSTANDING seem to come from a rational/reasoned place?

Again, I'm not arguing he did or didn't cross state lines with the gun. But you seem to somehow have an "UNDERSTANDING" based on the sole word of a liar and the liars culpable friend.
 
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himkhan

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Are we supposed to ignore the fact that the existence of "a situation where one will have to kill in "self-defense" is the root of the problem?

Follow a couple of simple rules and you can avoid being killed by someone who is acting in self defense. First, don't be out rioting, looting or otherwise causing damage to persons or property. Second, should you choose to engage in these acts, don't be stupid enough to attack an armed individual who is clearly attempting to defend against such actions.

I for one am totally cool with the precedence this case has set in regards to showing up at large gatherings where lawlessness is taking place and being given carte blanche to take out whatever trash is deemed necessary.

The next time Trump's Army tries to storm the castle they might want to watch their six. Some people are even saying that beating on cops and trying to overthrow our government won't be as easy next time? Who knew.
 

pmv

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What happened was that one side celebrated being able to get away with killing members of the other side by proxy. So expect more people to go out looking and hoping for more ways to kill in 'self-defense.' It is apparently what you want.

Yeah, it does seem like this gives a green-light to those who want to do precisely that. I would expect it to lead to more shootings perpetrated by the far-right, but wouldn't surprise me if some on the left decide to give it a go also, in the optimistic hope that he precedent will be applied even-handedly. Gunning down your political opponents in the street is now apparently legally acceptable.

No wonder the only people who want to migrate to the US are from failed states, the type Trump had his particular term for.
 
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