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So according to Double Jeapordy, KR can no longer be tried. Does that mean if KR was to go on Fox News, and start talking about how he think White Supremacy is great to him, and how he felt great killing the three Anti White Supremsist intentionally, no one can retry him even if he said that?
What?
 

Vic

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Yeah, the old wild west days all over again. Lefties have been claiming this will happen for the last 20 years, it hasn't.
Current events say it has. Homicide rates have exploded in recent years. The conservative agenda to put guns in everyone's hands with the legal power to defend themselves over even the slightest provocation has failed to create a safer society. Who knew?
 
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Current events say it has. Homicide rates have exploded in recent years.
You mean like the 2 gangs that got in a shootout in Chicago and the DA refused to press charges because all the members of the 2 gangs were shooting? Yep, sounds like you should blame that on the wild west.

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But a police report framed the state's attorney's office's decision to decline charges in a different light: "Mutual combatants was cited as the reason for the rejection." Mutual combat is a legal term used to define a fight or struggle that two parties willingly engage in.

Mayor Lori Lightfoot and some West Side aldermen called on Cook County State's Attorney Kim Foxx to reverse her decision on the case. "

Foxx? Wasn't she the one in the Smollett case? Yeah, blame guns .
 
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And this bitch says... :"But , but Kyle!"


‘Justice was gotten’: KC officer found guilty in 2019 fatal shooting of Black man

A Kansas City police detective was found guilty of manslaughter in the 2019 killing of a Black man who was fatally shot in his own backyard.

Jackson County Circuit Court Judge J. Dale Youngs announced his decision Friday afternoon.

Eric DeValkenaere, 43, was charged with first-degree involuntary manslaughter and armed criminal action in the Dec. 3, 2019, shooting of Cameron Lamb. He was convicted of second-degree involuntary manslaughter and armed criminal action.

As people left the courtroom, family and friends of Lamb hugged and cried. Many cheered.

One woman, when she heard the verdict cried, “God is good.”

DeValkenaere’s family declined to comment, as did his defense attorney Molly Hastings.

Jason Johnson, president of the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund, which provided financial support for DeValkenaere’s legal defense, said the organization was shocked and disappointed.

“Jackson County Prosecutor Jean Peters Baker’s politically-motivated prosecution sets a dangerous precedent,” he said in a statement. “Police officers are not above the law but they are entitled to be held to the same standard as all citizens, not one based on political expediency.”

The detective was the first white Kansas City police officer in 80 years to face a criminal trial in the shooting death of a Black man.

“Justice was gotten today,” said Jackson County Prosecutor Jean Peters Baker.

During the bench trial which started Nov. 8, prosecutors and defense attorneys painted starkly different pictures of DeValkenaere and the actions that transpired nearly two years ago.

Lamb, 26, was shot after officers investigating a crash reported a red pickup chasing a purple Ford Mustang. Officers in a police helicopter spotted the truck driven by Lamb and followed the vehicle.

Prosecutors said there was no evidence that anyone had dialed 911, that anyone was hurt or that a crime had taken place when DeValkenaere and another detective arrived at Lamb’s home at 4154 College Ave.

Lamb was fatally wounded as he was backing a pickup into his garage, prosecutors alleged, saying it took DeValkenaere nine seconds from the time he walked from the front of the residence to the back of the house before he opened fire on Lamb.


DeValkenaere’s conduct was “reckless,” action prosecutors said, and violated the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures.

“The state of Missouri finds it absolutely unreasonable that he did this with a loaded gun,” said assistant prosecutor Dion Sankar. “We find it unreasonable because there was no reason to enter the private residence with a gun, because there was no pressing reason pressing him to move. That was his choice.”

During the trial, prosecutors also alleged the crime scene was staged and evidence was planted.

At the time that DeValkenaere shot Lamb, he was not armed and the gun that police said he had with him was actually inside of a staircase near the garage, prosecutors said.

DeValkenaere testified that moments before the shooting, he saw Lamb reach with his left hand for a handgun from his waistband and point towards his partner Troy Schwalm.


“My focus moves from that weapon to the center of his chest,” DeValkenaere said. “I bring my weapon and drive it towards him. And as I acquire the front sight, I discharge a round to his center mass.”

DeValkenaere said he had a duty to protect Schwalm.

He also denied planting evidence, having any other officer alter evidence or change their report of the shooting.

Defense attorney Dawn Parsons said that DeValkenaere was given no choice when he shot Lamb.

She also said DeValkenaere and Schwalm did not need a search warrant, probable cause or consent to go on the property to investigate saying under “the totality of the circumstances, they can do that.”


“Eric did what any reasonable officer would do,” she said. “He shot Mr. Lamb to save Troy’s life.”

Steven Ijames, a retired assistant Springfield police chief and expert on police practices, testified that DeValkenaere had “reasonable suspicion” and acted appropriately when he walked into the backyard of the residence to investigate a possible crime.

Lamb’s name, along with other Black men killed by Kansas City police officers, was evoked last year throughout racial justice protests in Kansas City.
It happens.
 

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You mean like the 2 gangs that got in a shootout in Chicago and the DA refused to press charges because all the members of the 2 gangs were shooting? Yep, sounds like you should blame that on the wild west.

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But a police report framed the state's attorney's office's decision to decline charges in a different light: "Mutual combatants was cited as the reason for the rejection." Mutual combat is a legal term used to define a fight or struggle that two parties willingly engage in.

Mayor Lori Lightfoot and some West Side aldermen called on Cook County State's Attorney Kim Foxx to reverse her decision on the case. "

Foxx? Wasn't she the one in the Smollett case? Yeah, blame guns .

And there you go again, blaming your violence on liberals and minorities. You're like a broken record. Anytime you have to face accountability for your ideas, you just blame someone else.
But what's really funny is that you provided an example here that is remarkably analogous to the Rittenhouse case, but you're outraged that no prosecution occurred there solely because the racial and political identities of the participants were changed to ones that trigger you emotionally.

And for the record, I don't blame guns. Guns are things. I do however blame people who have no solutions to our country's problems except for violence and an unequal and authoritarian enforcement of the laws predicated entirely on partisanship. IOW, people like you.
 

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You consistently vote for those upholding and continuing systemic racism in this country. You are as much of the problem as anyone in these forums.

Cool that you acknowledge the existence of the systemic racism BLM is fighting against.

I don't vote R though, so you're wrong there. In your words, you're a liar.
 
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I condemn all the Nazis in Charlottesville and across this country and the ones still in Europe.
Good for you. Now explain why you villainize the people and groups who are standing up and doing something about those violent nazis and other white supremacist groups. Why is it that whenever those nazi groups engage in unlawful violence, you always whatabout to 'but antifa/BLM' for opposing those groups?
And while you're at it, why don't why you explain why you vote with those nazis and for the candidates who pander to those white supremacists?
I get it that you're not racist, but at the same time it does seem odd that you're usually siding with racists.
 
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Cool that you acknowledge the existence of the systemic racism BLM is fighting against.

I don't vote R though, so you're wrong there. In your words, you're a liar.
One of the most remarkable things about conservatives is their inability to accept that other people are smart enough to vote in their own interests.
 
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I was responding to your quote not related to Rittenhouse but the idea white people can just roll up on black people walking the streets, start a confrontation and shoot with a claim of self defense ala Ahmed Arbury.



There are many threads in this forum with that very scenario

Ok, I can be a little slow adjusting to changing topics sometimes. Still, I think I'll respectfully decline to respond to your statement "Or if you are black don't be out in a neighborhood where white people think you don't belong.". Not that the statement isn't worthy of a discussion of it's own. I'd just prefer, for the moment, to not engage in hypotheticals or cases where I don't have adequate facts.
 

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Another topic stirring the pot to help people exercise hatred!

There is a difference between picking at scabs and providing an environment conducive to their healing. Mobs aka protestors are not that.

All those in the mob should have individual responsiblity, just like Rittenhouse should. Were it not for his actions leading up to the events, a few people wouldn't have died. He become part of that mob even if his reasons weren't aligned.
 

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There is a lot if cognitive dissonance in your post. Gaige had a gun, why was he a split second away from killing Kyle? It's a fn'ing gun, you don't need to lunge or swipe at the person with it. He could have shot him from where he stood the first time or even before Kyle saw him if he intended to kill him? Why didn't he? Before he was shot he didn't fire

It was exposed by his friend, but people were already thinking it for obvious reasons. Maybe he was afraid of retaliation? Look how Arbery still was going after point blank 12 gauge buckshot load to chest. Maybe he knew he could get closer because Kyle was only shooting the assailants? Notice how others, including Gaige, knew that they could do "hands up, don't shoot"? They knew Kyle was only shooting at threats. Gaige saw a kid in the street defending himself. You know how I know? Because when he put his hands up, Kyle let him walk away just as he had done with a few others. It’s his own stupidity that got him shot.

It's a fn'ing gun, you don't need to lunge or swipe at the person with it.

So what was he going to do? Gaige says he doesn't know. That sounds comically stupid. He's not trying to tackle, and still keeps his phone in the other hand for livestreaming.



and after he was shot he didn't fire. Why not? I mean someone shot him, he had a gun and didn't fire it,
Shit if someone shot me I'd die trying to shoot him if I had a gun. Does any of that seem consistent with a man trying to kill him?

Huh? He's clearly in total shock that his bicep got blown off. Why would he want more? I'm not even sure if he could do anything with that arm at that point.

and if your argument was his hand was blown off, why didn't he move it to the other hand and fire?

lol This dummy had his other hand occupied with the smartphone (Facebook livestream).

And I agree with his regret. Isn't that the lesson we learned here. If you shoot first and kill someone, you can then claim self defense and the state has to prove otherwise.

So he lied on the stand, haha. On the stand, he and his friend pretended that the twitter quote never happened. You were just arguing against it btw so??? The regret clearly says he was hesitating on shooting (i.e. intent IS to shoot) probably for some of the reasons I described above. On the stand, however, Gaige said he'd never resort to using the gun, and didn't know what he would do as he got up right next to Kyle. Do you know how ludicrous that sounds?

And seeing Kyle had a gun, had just killed someone and was pointing the gun at Gaige, what is the probability he gets off? Pretty high me thinks..

Gaige was an assailant who tried attacking a kid who had a justified good shoots. Wisconsin common law says you can't detain someone if you haven't personally witness it, which is why they're trying to hide behind the lame "active shooter" excuse as a loophole. Methinks it would have been another Michael Drejka.

Lastly, I can see the reason why the Judge didn't let the evidence that he said he wanted to have his gun to kill looters, yet I can see why it should have been let in as well. But, you've seen it. And again not more than 2 days later he kills people he thought were looters?

Ackshually, it was 2 weeks prior.

Propensity evidence is funny.



I bet your believe everything in LIFE is coincidental.

Up to Rosenbaum incident, all the evidence on video and testimony showed that Kyle wasn't a threat to anyone. In regards to Rosenbaum, it's clear who instigated it. Prosecution wasn't even claiming a direct provocation of Rosenbaum but via pointing gun at Ziminski which he did not do. Coincidental or not is pointless because the ambush and chase was caught on video.
 
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Yeah, it’s funny righties choose to vote for those type of people , yet claim they are terrible people when they shoot them.

 
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Another topic stirring the pot to help people exercise hatred!

There is a difference between picking at scabs and providing an environment conducive to their healing. Mobs aka protestors are not that.

All those in the mob should have individual responsiblity, just like Rittenhouse should. Were it not for his actions leading up to the events, a few people wouldn't have died. He become part of that mob even if his reasons weren't aligned.

Why do you hate free speech?
 
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Yeah, it’s funny righties choose to vote for those type of people , yet claim they are terrible people when they shoot them.

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While it's absolutely true that the people who created that meme are constantly forgiving amongst their own the same kind of criminal behavior they are celebrating street justice for others in that meme, I'm a bit more concerned that they've decided they now have justication for shooting into crowds.
 
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