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eelw

Diamond Member
Dec 4, 1999
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Wonder how far you can push this thing… Break into your house, wait for you to get home, you enter your home and slams the door, I think I hear a gunshot and puts you down with gun.

Self defense?
Stand your ground laws or not, a homicide occurred which could have been avoided. He should have been held accountable. Huge difference if he stayed on the car dealership and rioters attacked. That’s a clear case of self defense.
 
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brandonbull

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May 3, 2005
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Actually, I disagree with Sharpton. If Rittenhouse were black and killed two white people, he would not have been found guilty because he would have never made it to trial. The police would have put him down.
What is your point? Do you wish Rittenhouse would have been killed? Should he have gone to jail regardless of the evidence? Are you arguing that since someone gets railroaded everyone deserves to be railroaded?
 

JockoJohnson

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May 20, 2009
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Seriously? Just ask yourself, "Would the "assailants" have been dead if Rittenhouse had not been there with an AR15? He got away with killing 2 people. Maybe he was not legally guilty of homicide, but he most certainly is morally responsible for the deaths of 2 people.
Maybe she wouldn’t have been raped if she didn’t wear such provocative clothes. She shouldn’t have been there in the first place. She is morally responsible for them raping her.

coulda, woulda, shoulda - people wouldn’t die if they didn’t get into their car as they wouldn’t have gotten into a car accident.
Everybody saying he shouldn’t have been there. Maybe those few aggressors shouldn’t have been there at the protests and they would be alive today, able to abuse minors and women.
 
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Sunburn74

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Do you wish Rittenhouse would have been killed?
He's saying there is unequal treatment in this country. White guy shoots 3 people and Cops could care less. Unaffiliated black guy is generally around when people have been shot and he is killed.
This whole trial was rigged from the start. I'm sure there'll be civil suits and the kids life is probably ruined forever socially. Sure gaetz and those scum bags will parrot him around for a while but that'll end eventually and then he'll have to live the life of being a social pariah in this country. Assuming he's not killed before that by someone, most likely someone in his dysfunctional gun loving family.
 
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brandonbull

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He's saying there is unequal treatment in this country. White guy shoots 3 people and Cops could care less. Unaffiliated black guy is generally around when people have been shot and he is killed.
This whole trial was rigged from the start. I'm sure there'll be civil suits and the kids life is probably ruined forever socially. Sure gaetz and those scum bags will parrot him around for a while but that'll end eventually and then he'll have to live the life of being a social pariah in this country. Assuming he's not killed before that by someone, most likely someone in his dysfunctional gun loving family.
You are correct about the trial being rigged.
 

NWRMidnight

Platinum Member
Jun 18, 2001
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Well.. say hello to the GQP's new poster child. .We will be seeing a lot of him during the election this next year and 2024. They will prop him up like a trophy, Specially if Trump is the front runner in 2024.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Not surprised by the verdict on the homicide charges, but I was hoping at least he would be convicted on the reckless endangerment charges. I know there are specific meanings for legal terms, but if walking into a potential riot with an assault rifle is not "reckless", I dont know what is.

And what the hell is all this blubbering in court? I sure didnt see him carrying on like this after shooting people.
Because the blubbering today, was about him and his freedom. their wasn't no blubbering, just bad acting before because it was about the 3 people he didn't give two shits about, that he shot and he was "trying" to play the victim... I guess it worked.. Well if you ignore the bias from the start from the judge who paved the way for his acquittal.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Jun 18, 2001
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Damn I love being right yet again.
Being right in the verdict from a bias court that set him up to be acquitted, doesn't mean you are right about him not being guilty of murder. He just got away with it.. seems to be a common trait with you and other conservatives. We saw it during the impeachment trials.. and here we see it again. you guys can't comprehend when someone is guilty, but played the system and got away with it.. Here we had a Judge who catered to his acquittal, and in the impeachment trails we had the GOP part of the Senate with Trump's balls in their mouths.. and to you, that means not guilty, and can't even comprehend you have been played. But it's easy to do to stupid people.. Trump himself said that the Republican's are guidable and stupid.. You and other's keep proving that Trump actually did tell the truth... ONCE!
 

Luna1968

Golden Member
Mar 9, 2019
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There always is a way around, anyone or multiple of these could in fact nullify the prejudice claim, they all however require a separate trial:
* Proving that there was no prejudice on the prosecutor's or jury's side, but rather there was prejudice on the defendants side and the judge.
* Proving that there was an unfair trial, and prejudice was declared due to prejudice, because the jury and the defendant personally knew each other before the incident of crime.
* Proving that the judge did not have a valid Wisconsin bar license at the time of verdict, thus the verdict of mistrial with prejudice is invalidated.
* Proving that the verdict was improperly filed into the system, and thus there was no verdict of mistrial with prejudice.
* Proving that the judge was in fact bribed to give the verdict of mistral with prejudice.
* Proving that the judge was in fact pressurized to declare mistrial with prejudice.

None of that is going to happen
 
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hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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I'll just leave this here. It's looking like some civil attempts at justice may be planned.

'Heartbroken and angry': One victim's parents react to Kyle Rittenhouse verdict (msn.com)

"We are heartbroken and angry that Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted in his criminal trial for the murder of our son Anthony Huber. There was no justice today for Anthony, or for Mr. Rittenhouse’s other victims, Joseph Rosenbaum and Gaige Grosskreutz.

We did not attend the trial because we could not bear to sit in a courtroom and repeatedly watch videos of our son's murder, and because we have been subjected to many hurtful and nasty comments in the past year. But we watched the trial closely, hoping it would bring us closure.

That did not happen. Today's verdict means there is no accountability for the person who murdered our son. It sends the unacceptable message that armed civilians can show up in any town, incite violence, and then use the danger they have created to justify shooting people in the street. We hope that decent people will join us in forcefully rejecting that message and demanding more of our laws, our officials, and our justice system.

Make no mistake: our fight to hold those responsible for Anthony's death accountable continues in full force. Neither Mr. Rittenhouse nor the Kenosha police who authorized his bloody rampage will escape justice. Anthony will have his day in court.

No reasonable person viewing all of the evidence could conclude that Mr. Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. In response to racist and violent calls to action from militia members, Mr. Rittenhouse travelled to Kenosha illegally armed with an assault rifle. He menaced fellow citizens in the street. Though he was in open violation of a curfew order, Kenosha police encouraged him to act violently. Kenosha police told militia members that they would push peaceful protestors toward the militia so that the militia could "deal with them." Soon after, Mr. Rittenhouse killed Joseph Rosenbaum. The police did nothing. Concerned citizens, confronted with a person shooting indiscriminately on the street, stepped in to stop the violence. Anthony was shot in the chest trying to disarm Mr. Rittenhouse and stop his shooting spree. Still, the police did nothing. Mr. Rittenhouse continued to shoot, maiming Gaige Grosskreutz. The police let Mr. Rittenhouse leave the scene freely. Mr. Rittenhouse came to Kenosha armed to kill. Kenosha police encouraged him to act violently, and our son is dead as a result.

We are so proud of Anthony, and we love him so much. He is a hero who sacrificed his own life to protect other innocent civilians. We ask that you remember Anthony and keep him in your prayers."
 

Luna1968

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Mar 9, 2019
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Being right in the verdict from a bias court that set him up to be acquitted, doesn't mean you are right about him not being guilty of murder. He just got away with it.. seems to be a common trait with you and other conservatives. We saw it during the impeachment trials.. and here we see it again. you guys can't comprehend when someone is guilty, but played the system and got away with it.. Here we had a Judge who catered to his acquittal, and in the impeachment trails we had the GOP part of the Senate with Trump's balls in their mouths.. and to you, that means not guilty, and can't even comprehend you have been played. But it's easy to do to stupid people.. Trump himself said that the Republican's are guidable and stupid.. You and other's keep proving that Trump actually did tell the truth... ONCE!

what part of the evidence makes KR guilty in your world? does self defense not count at all for you? what about getting a pistol shoved in your face, or skateboard to the nose or being curbed stomped? does any of that imminent violence that can kill you justify self defense in your world?
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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Stand your ground laws or not, a homicide occurred which could have been avoided. He should have been held accountable. Huge difference if he stayed on the car dealership and rioters attacked. That’s a clear case of self defense.

After reading through the details of the case & the technical aspects, my conclusion is simply: this was a preventable problem.
 
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Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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Honestly, nobody made any smart decisions that night. Nobody sane goes to these demonstrations anyway, at least certainly not when things have turned violent. The only people sticking around are looking for trouble anyway, and you risk putting yourself at the mercy of whatever law(s) you may or may not be aware of.

For those saying this "sets a precedent to shoot protestors," just stay away. Nothing to be gained from these gatherings that don't advance an agenda anyway, except provide fodder to conservative media in the form of "riots." Stop proving them right, take away that talking point from them.

I fully plan on an evening at home with Netflix during any possible future riots in my area!
 
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Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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I'll just leave this here. It's looking like some civil attempts at justice may be planned.

'Heartbroken and angry': One victim's parents react to Kyle Rittenhouse verdict (msn.com)

"We are heartbroken and angry that Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted in his criminal trial for the murder of our son Anthony Huber. There was no justice today for Anthony, or for Mr. Rittenhouse’s other victims, Joseph Rosenbaum and Gaige Grosskreutz.

We did not attend the trial because we could not bear to sit in a courtroom and repeatedly watch videos of our son's murder, and because we have been subjected to many hurtful and nasty comments in the past year. But we watched the trial closely, hoping it would bring us closure.

That did not happen. Today's verdict means there is no accountability for the person who murdered our son. It sends the unacceptable message that armed civilians can show up in any town, incite violence, and then use the danger they have created to justify shooting people in the street. We hope that decent people will join us in forcefully rejecting that message and demanding more of our laws, our officials, and our justice system.

Make no mistake: our fight to hold those responsible for Anthony's death accountable continues in full force. Neither Mr. Rittenhouse nor the Kenosha police who authorized his bloody rampage will escape justice. Anthony will have his day in court.

No reasonable person viewing all of the evidence could conclude that Mr. Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. In response to racist and violent calls to action from militia members, Mr. Rittenhouse travelled to Kenosha illegally armed with an assault rifle. He menaced fellow citizens in the street. Though he was in open violation of a curfew order, Kenosha police encouraged him to act violently. Kenosha police told militia members that they would push peaceful protestors toward the militia so that the militia could "deal with them." Soon after, Mr. Rittenhouse killed Joseph Rosenbaum. The police did nothing. Concerned citizens, confronted with a person shooting indiscriminately on the street, stepped in to stop the violence. Anthony was shot in the chest trying to disarm Mr. Rittenhouse and stop his shooting spree. Still, the police did nothing. Mr. Rittenhouse continued to shoot, maiming Gaige Grosskreutz. The police let Mr. Rittenhouse leave the scene freely. Mr. Rittenhouse came to Kenosha armed to kill. Kenosha police encouraged him to act violently, and our son is dead as a result.

We are so proud of Anthony, and we love him so much. He is a hero who sacrificed his own life to protect other innocent civilians. We ask that you remember Anthony and keep him in your prayers."
The only problem with this statement is that the jury doesn't agree with it.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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The only problem with this statement is that the jury doesn't agree with it.
You would have done excellently in the south during lynchings. Or in kangaroo courts of fascists. If the GQP made Trump emperor and the SC said it's ok, you'd be like, well, they said it's ok k.

Terrible people the lot of you.
 
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Pohemi

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Oct 2, 2004
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The only problem with this statement is that the jury doesn't agree with it.
That's separate. The jury found him not guilty of the charges of murder, but it wasn't even in question if those two men died at his hands. Civil proceedings can and do occur (and win against the defendant) after not-guilty verdicts for murder on people who are known cause-of-death for another person.
 
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BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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what part of the evidence makes KR guilty in your world? does self defense not count at all for you? what about getting a pistol shoved in your face, or skateboard to the nose or being curbed stomped? does any of that imminent violence that can kill you justify self defense in your world?
Everyone has a right to self-defense but everyone should also try and actively avoid situations that will inflame tensions. Lets say there's a huge MAGA rally nearby and I decide to attend wearing a Biden 2020 hat and T-shirt AND toting an assault rifle as well, I should now be able to shoot and kill anyone I perceive as a "threat", right?. Or maybe I could just keep my ass at home along with my political ideals.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Everyone has a right to self-defense but everyone should also try and actively avoid situations that will inflame tensions. Lets say there's a huge MAGA rally nearby and I decide to attend wearing a Biden 2020 hat and T-shirt AND toting an assault rifle as well, I should now be able to shoot and kill anyone I perceive as a "threat", right?. Or maybe I could just keep my ass at home along with my political ideals.
You are talking to terrible people.
 

Sunburn74

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Oct 5, 2009
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NWRMidnight

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what part of the evidence makes KR guilty in your world? does self defense not count at all for you? what about getting a pistol shoved in your face, or skateboard to the nose or being curbed stomped? does any of that imminent violence that can kill you justify self defense in your world?
You mean evidence the bias judge wouldn't allow in court?

A pistol shoved in his face, and a skateboard to the nose AFTER he shot and killed an unarmed man... Maybe step back and put all the pieces together, special KR actions prior to that 1 minute and 20 seconds... He went there looking for trouble, created it, and his actions lead to those two trying to stop an armed shooter. Oh wait, it's self defense even though he committed murder and shot/killed the others who tried to stop him.. got it. Hell, I hate to even say this, but isn't what they did, exactly what Trump said people should do when someone starts shooting people? Carry a gun/weapon and stop the shooter? Oh wait, Trump only meant that if the shooter is something other than a white guy. If it's a white kid, he's a patriot. He played you and the court, which wasn't hard when the judge deliberately set the path for aquittal.
 
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