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ondma

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The only problem with this statement is that the jury doesn't agree with it.
Doesn't make it wrong. I thought it was quite eloquent actually. Bottom line is that if KR had not shown up trying to play tough guy cop with an AR15, those people would be alive today. And as for protecting property, I agree with another poster. I did not see him attacked while standing in place to protect property, the incidents occurred when he was wandering around in an agitated crowd openly carrying an AR15.


I really feel sorry for the families of both victims, (*yes victims* even though they were not allowed to be called that by the judge) because in addition to the pain of losing a loved one, they were also forced to endure character assignation of their loved ones as well, as if having a criminal record unrelated to the events in progress somehow made it OK to just gun them down.
 
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ondma

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You mean evidence the bias judge wouldn't allow in court?

A pistol shoved in his face, and a skateboard to the nose AFTER he shot and killed an unarmed man... Maybe step back and put all the pieces together, special KR actions prior to that 1 minute and 20 seconds... He went there looking for trouble, created it, and his actions lead to those two trying to stop an armed shooter. Oh wait, it's self defense even though he committed murder and shot/killed the others who tried to stop him.. got it. Hell, I hate to even say this, but isn't what they did, exactly what Trump said people should do when someone starts shooting people? Carry a gun/weapon and stop the shooter? Oh wait, Trump only meant that if the shooter is something other than a white guy. If it's a white kid, he's a patriot. He played you and the court, which wasn't hard when the judge deliberately set the path for aquittal.
And none of those events would have happened if he were not there trying to play a tough guy cop.
 

eelw

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Dec 4, 1999
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You mean evidence the bias judge wouldn't allow in court?

A pistol shoved in his face, and a skateboard to the nose AFTER he shot and killed an unarmed man... Maybe step back and put all the pieces together, special KR actions prior to that 1 minute and 20 seconds... He went there looking for trouble, created it, and his actions lead to those two trying to stop an armed shooter. Oh wait, it's self defense even though he committed murder and shot/killed the others who tried to stop him.. got it.
Pity prosecution closing argument about active shooter probably turned off the jury. But prosecution was right, after the first murder, the others were attempting to stop a killer. No long just rioters causing trouble. Wonder if instead of active shooter, he called the 2nd murdered, drop kick man and 3rd victim as attempting a citizen arrest?
 

MrSquished

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This will encourage right wing fascist vigilantes to shoot at will. You already have right wing fascist congresspeople encouraging this.

Get your guns. Shoot first at a fascist if they point it at you. These people are the lowest form of human scum.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Jun 18, 2001
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Pity prosecution closing argument about active shooter probably turned off the jury. But prosecution was right, after the first murder, the others were attempting to stop a killer. No long just rioters causing trouble. Wonder if instead of active shooter, he called the 2nd murdered, drop kick man and 3rd victim as attempting a citizen arrest?
The prosecution couldn't use any of those terms as it was not allowed, specially the term victim.
 

trenchfoot

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Aug 5, 2000
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If ever there was a fixed outcome, this trial was one of them. As lame as the prosecution's performance was, it's not out of the realm of plausibility to think they too played their part in the grand scheme of things.

It all reminds me of how McConnell piggybacked the last two Heritage sponsored activist conservative stooges into that packed supreme kangaroo court of theirs. Those fuckers now own that corrupted court and there was absolutely nothing ethical and moral about the way they went about it.
 

trenchfoot

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Aug 5, 2000
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GQP are testing the 'no more need for dog whistles' theory it seems!

What a way to rally the party faithful huh? Can't inspire them into cohesiveness by telling them the very wealthy have an inalienable right to cut in front of everyone else at the welfare line nor can the Repub leadership point to that infrastructure program they touted but never happened under their watch, nor can their leadership point to any significant legislation they passed that benefitted their middle class and their poor so I guess telling them to live in fear and hate any and all that oppose their leadership is the way to go. lol
 
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K1052

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Always read Serwer for the big picture:


The fact that Rittenhouse has become a folk hero among Republicans points to darker currents within the GOP, where justifications for political violence against the opposition are becoming more common. The party finds the apocalyptic fear of impending leftist tyranny useful not only for turning out its supporters, but also for rationalizing legislative attempts to disenfranchise, gerrymander, and otherwise nullify the votes of Democratic constituencies. Engineering the American political system so that Republicans’ political rivals are unable to contest their power is a less forceful solution than killing people, but the political goal is similar: to never have to share power with those they disagree with.

For this reason, the party defends those who engage in rhetoric threatening violence against their political enemies and silences those who denounce it. Whether it’s Donald Trump justifying his attempts to overturn the 2020 election, Republican members of Congress threatening their colleagues, or Fox News hosts praising Rittenhouse for “doing what the government should have done,” the desire to kill your political opponents is a sentiment no longer confined to the dark corners of the internet. The principle that canonizes Rittenhouse as a saint for defending his city from rioters, and the mob that stormed the Capitol as martyrs, is the principle that the slaughter of the right’s enemies is no crime.

“At this point, we’re living under corporate and medical fascism. This is tyranny,” said an attendee at an event held by the conservative group Turning Point USA in October. “When do we get to use the guns?” The audience responded with applause. “How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?” Most of this is idle bluster from keyboard gangsters on social media. But the more it is encouraged by mainstream political leadership, the less likely it is to remain mere talk.

Rittenhouse’s trial was a matter of law, and the outcome should not have been dependent on the political questions raised by the events that led to his indictment. But his acquittal will be seen by some on the militant right as a validation of the sentiment that someday, perhaps soon, they will get to kill all “these people.” No one they would listen to will tell them otherwise.


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...rm=2021-11-20T13:30:27&utm_content=edit-promo
 

soundforbjt

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what part of the evidence makes KR guilty in your world? does self defense not count at all for you? what about getting a pistol shoved in your face, or skateboard to the nose or being curbed stomped? does any of that imminent violence that can kill you justify self defense in your world?
Yeah, look at all the wounds in the police interview videos...there aren’t any.
 

Greenman

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Oct 15, 1999
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Doesn't make it wrong. I thought it was quite eloquent actually. Bottom line is that if KR had not shown up trying to play tough guy cop with an AR15, those people would be alive today. And as for protecting property, I agree with another poster. I did not see him attacked while standing in place to protect property, the incidents occurred when he was wandering around in an agitated crowd openly carrying an AR15.


I really feel sorry for the families of both victims, (*yes victims* even though they were not allowed to be called that by the judge) because in addition to the pain of losing a loved one, they were also forced to endure character assignation of their loved ones as well, as if having a criminal record unrelated to the events in progress somehow made it OK to just gun them down.
If the other fellows hadn't attacked KR they would be alive today. It's odd how hard you're working to avoid saying that. It's also odd that you convicted the lad the night of the event and refuse to be swayed by facts ever since then. You blame everyone except the guys that kicked off the entire shit show.
A jury heard the evidence and found KR not guilty of a crime. That's the end of that story.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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You blame everyone except the guys that kicked off the entire shit show.
You mean the decades of oppression and marginalizing by a white majority society and law enforcement system that brought youths to the point of riots because they otherwise had no voice, right?
 

HomerJS

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Feb 6, 2002
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Nothing like veiled threats against the Judge and Kyle.
Didn't seem like a veiled threat. I took it as those two seem to be new best friends since the judge looked out for his well being rather then do his job in an unbiased manner.

Besides, you have no problem with veiled threats. I say that based on your silence concerning Paul Gosar.
 
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K1052

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If the other fellows hadn't attacked KR they would be alive today. It's odd how hard you're working to avoid saying that. It's also odd that you convicted the lad the night of the event and refuse to be swayed by facts ever since then. You blame everyone except the guys that kicked off the entire shit show.
A jury heard the evidence and found KR not guilty of a crime. That's the end of that story.

As use of deadly force by citizens becomes ever more permissive it's going to be impossible to definitively say anybody did anything illegal even if there are literal gun battles happing. Everybody is going to self-defense each other into graves.
 
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ivwshane

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Didn't seem like a veiled threat. I took it as those two seem to be new best friends since the judge looked out for his well being rather then do his job in an unbiased manner.

Besides, you have no problem with veiled threats. I say that based on your silence concerning Paul Gosar.

Based on Gosar? Lol, no it goes all the way back to trump and beyond. That traitor has no problem with threats, so long as it’s against people he doesn’t like. Immigrants? Just grenade them. Protestors? Just rough them up, your legal fees will be paid. Political opponents? Lock them up!
 
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zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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what part of the evidence makes KR guilty in your world? does self defense not count at all for you? what about getting a pistol shoved in your face, or skateboard to the nose or being curbed stomped? does any of that imminent violence that can kill you justify self defense in your world?

There was never self defense. Little bitch boy showed up to murder people, and did just that. All the available evidence showed that.

Otherwise, it wouldn't have taken the jury a week to deal with the Judge's ridiculous "rules" in order to come to their forced and grossly incorrect decision. It's not our fault that you are too fucking stupid and brainless to understand how thoroughly you've been gaslighted into seeing things that aren't there for anyone else to see.
 
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soundforbjt

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My guess is Kyle moves to a state with very favorable gun laws, definitely one with Stand Your Ground laws.
 

ondma

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If the other fellows hadn't attacked KR they would be alive today. It's odd how hard you're working to avoid saying that. It's also odd that you convicted the lad the night of the event and refuse to be swayed by facts ever since then. You blame everyone except the guys that kicked off the entire shit show.
A jury heard the evidence and found KR not guilty of a crime. That's the end of that story.
No, again, KR "kicked it off" by walking around in a volatile situation with an AR15 strapped to his chest.
 
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NWRMidnight

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If the other fellows hadn't attacked KR they would be alive today. It's odd how hard you're working to avoid saying that. It's also odd that you convicted the lad the night of the event and refuse to be swayed by facts ever since then. You blame everyone except the guys that kicked off the entire shit show.
A jury heard the evidence and found KR not guilty of a crime. That's the end of that story.
Go read the article in post number #385 about the verdict. Now, with that said, the guy that kicked off the entire shit show was KR.. He went there illegally armed to intimidate and start trouble. The Evidence that was not allowed to be used in court by the bias judge, gives very clear picture of his intentions. He found the trouble he went there to cause, and shot an unarmed man.. and then shot the next two people who tried to stop him from running away from the scene... All 3 shootings happened in 1 minute 20 seconds.. The little princess got away with murder because of the way the laws in that state are written, he had a judge who catered to his acquittal, and because he was a white boy. How many other people walk away with zero convictions of any charges when shooting an unarmed person short of a police officer? Specially when they where illegally caring? Very few if any, and I am pretty certain, if any have, where all white.. There isn't a colored person in this country that would have gotten away scot free like this little murdering princess did. Hell, if a colored person did what KR did, they would have been shot on the same street by the cops who let KR just walk on by.

I won't be surprised if the little murdering princess gives himself away that it wasn't self defense during one of the many interviews and right wing tv spots he will be having. The problem is, unless it is live, the right wing media will edit the truth out so they can keep him as their poster child. When that happens, I hope to hell the prosecutor goes after him for any charges that won't be considered double jeopardy, starting with perjury.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Go read the article in post number #385 about the verdict. Now, with that said, the guy that kicked off the entire shit show was KR.. He went there illegally armed to intimidate and start trouble. The Evidence that was not allowed to be used in court by the bias judge, gives very clear picture of his intentions. He found the trouble he went there to cause, and shot an unarmed man.. and then shot the next two people who tried to stop him from running away from the scene... All 3 shootings happened in 1 minute 20 seconds.. The little princess got away with murder because of the way the laws in that state are written, he had a judge who catered to his acquittal, and because he was a white boy. How many other people walk away with zero convictions of any charges when shooting an unarmed person short of a police officer? Specially when they where illegally caring? Very few if any, and I am pretty certain, if any have, where all white.. There isn't a colored person in this country that would have gotten away scot free like this little murdering princess did. Hell, if a colored person did what KR did, they would have been shot on the same street buy the cops who let KR just walk on by.

If you think Greenman is going to educate himself, I've got a bridge to sell ya
 

NWRMidnight

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If you think Greenman is going to educate himself, I've got a bridge to sell ya
There is always that small glimmer of hope that something clicks inside his head.. But the chances of that happening are pretty much non existence.. So yeah....
 

Sunburn74

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Blue states should immediately pass laws to shore up the types of issues that let this scum bag walk.
 
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K1052

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Yes, I think blue states should mimic MA's laws, Duty to Retreat laws specifically.

States would pay $10,000 bounty on successful civil suits against those who do not retreat. Defendants barred from recovering legal costs.
 
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