Rittenhouse verdict poll

[Paratus]

Not to me, but i believe in the right to self defense.

So in a hypothetical, if Grosskreutz - the armed man who was shot and injured by KR, had instead of backing away with hands up shot and killed KR would you have considered that self-defense?

A jury trial for this hypothetical would likely have found it self-defense under Wisconsin law as a reasonable person could have believed they were in threat of great bodily injury or death from an active shooter.

The linked video below (yes it’s YT but the guy is a lawyer, sources his facts and tries to present opinions about both the prosecution and defense) goes into good detail about Wisconsin’s self defense laws and why a reasonable jury that found KR not guilty would probably not find someone who shot him guilty eithee

The problem here is that you believe your opinion to be fact, it's not. The weapons charge was dropped by an actual judge, a fellow who went to law school. While I'm sure your legal training was top notch, perhaps you missed the day Wisconsin gun laws were discussed. FYI, crossing state lines is completely legal. Tens of thousands of people do it every day. Most states even have a welcoming sign at the border.
Everything else is hyperbole and sophistry. You ignore the entire situation as if the single event of Rittenhouse being attacked happened in a vacuum, it didn't.
Four stupid people met on the street that night, that two died is tragic, but not surprising. That you believe your opinion should carry more weight than the jury is also tragic, but not surprising.

I suggest watching the video below if you’ve got 20 minutes. It suggests why the jury’s conclusion could be reasonable and why there is a fundamental problem with how the law is written.

So if the guy who got shot by Rittenhouse, while pointing his own gun at the guy, had fired first, and killed Rittenhouse - would the entire case have played out in reverse?

As Rittenhouse shot him ('vaporising' his bicep, reportedly) he must, logically, have also been pointing _his_ gun at that guy. That guy I'm sure could also have claimed to have been in fear for his life, especially as Rittenhouse had already shot someone at that point.

The whole thing seems absurd, and a consequence of what an insane country the US is.

That’s one of the conclusions of this video.

I completely agree with his comment that there is fundamental problem with the law if it incentivizes finding the last man standing as not guilty. Being against vigilantes shouldn’t be a controversial position.

 

[pcgeek11]

My bad, Military 'Style' assault rifle. Thanks for the derail, GJ.

You are the one spouting BS.
Good job!

 

[pcgeek11]

go read your own article.. quote from your own link you supplied "Don’t sweat it too much, though, because the AR-15 is virtually the same gun without the fully automatic capabilities, and there are some options for making it even more similar. " They are talking about the M4 and the AR15

Virtually and Literally are not the same thing.

How about a 30-06 semiautomatic deer rifle is it an assault rifle? How about my 22 LR squirrel rifle? They are only one ,modification away from being fully automatic.

 

[soundforbjt]

Virtually and Literally are not the same thing.

How about a 30-06 semiautomatic deer rifle is it an assault rifle? How about my 22 LR squirrel rifle? They are only one ,modification away from being fully automatic.

All semi-autos should be banned.

 

[pcgeek11]

All semi-autos should be banned.

Fine, You are welcome to that opinion. Does that include semi-automatic pistols too?

But to claim that all semi-sutomatic weapons are assault weapons is laughable.

And to state that they are literally the same is stupidity.

 

[Fenixgoon]

All semi-autos should be banned.

Agreed

 

[soundforbjt]

Fine, You are welcome to that opinion. Does that include semi-automatic pistols too?

But to claim that all semi-sutomatic weapons are assault weapons is laughable.

And to state that they are literally the same is stupidity.

Yes, handguns as well and speed loaders for revolvers as well.

 

[Commodus]

I completely agree with his comment that there is fundamental problem with the law if it incentivizes finding the last man standing as not guilty. Being against vigilantes shouldn’t be a controversial position.

That and, as Devin notes, a not guilty verdict isn't necessarily a pronouncement on the morality of the act. Rittenhouse is still the product of conservative media manipulation and came coming to Kenosha looking for a fight. He needlessly escalated tensions, and while he may have been scared, he shot people who from indications were trying to prevent gun violence. Two people would still be alive if Rittenhouse hadn't shown up.

 

[zinfamous]

Can't they just expel this goof?

Greene Sponsors Bill to Award Kyle Rittenhouse a Congressional Medal

The bill says Rittenhouse protected "the community of Kenosha, Wisconsin, during a Black Lives Matter (BLM) riot on August 25, 2020."

www.newsweek.com

she is one useless sack of carbon atoms.

 

[hal2kilo]

Hell, boy scout, Rittenhouse has already been to Mara Lago to kiss the ring.

Why Donald Trump exalts Kyle Rittenhouse: Nothing gets the base going like violence | Salon.com

 

[Ajay]

You are the one spouting BS.
Good job!

Whatever dude. It's impossible to have a discussion with you - at least in P&N.

 

[EduCat]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1463310584003411973

Turning this kid into a golden calf is so pathetic lmao.

 

[kage69]

Gaetz, Boebert, Cawthorn, Margorie Traitor Green - look at them all race to suck Kyle's ass for the camera.


Just sickening

 

[ivwshane]

I really couldn’t care less about KR and whether or not he got convicted or not, what concerns me is what this ruling means and that is that vigilantism is ok and so is killing people in cold blood so long as there is a hint of self defense. The ruling also makes it clear that you had better kill the person and not injure them if you want to be free from convictions.

It’s a bad precedent to set and will have enormous consequences that will not make this country safer. The lack of foresight by the right, while unsurprising, is really unfortunate.

 

[eelw]

Gaetz, Boebert, Cawthorn, Margorie Traitor Green - look at them all race to suck Kyle's ass for the camera.


Just sickening

PLANT!!!! He’s going to claim self defense when he kills Pelosi

 

[HumblePie]

So in a hypothetical, if Grosskreutz - the armed man who was shot and injured by KR, had instead of backing away with hands up shot and killed KR would you have considered that self-defense?

A jury trial for this hypothetical would likely have found it self-defense under Wisconsin law as a reasonable person could have believed they were in threat of great bodily injury or death from an active shooter.

The linked video below (yes it’s YT but the guy is a lawyer, sources his facts and tries to present opinions about both the prosecution and defense) goes into good detail about Wisconsin’s self defense laws and why a reasonable jury that found KR not guilty would probably not find someone who shot him guilty eithee

I suggest watching the video below if you’ve got 20 minutes. It suggests why the jury’s conclusion could be reasonable and why there is a fundamental problem with how the law is written.

That’s one of the conclusions of this video.

I completely agree with his comment that there is fundamental problem with the law if it incentivizes finding the last man standing as not guilty. Being against vigilantes shouldn’t be a controversial position.

Legal Schmeagol is a dunce. He literally upright lies about the law several times in that video. Devin hasn't ever practiced law. Don't know why anyone watches him. Want to watch what some real practicing criminal attorneys have to say about that video?

Devin just panders to a specific low intelligence audience while using a Latin thesaurus to make himself sound smarter than he is. He is a sesquipedalian to use a big word in that context if you well. There is a reason he doesn't practice nor give real legal advice. I wouldn't trust any legal analysis from him at all.

Basic premise Devin tries to proffer here is that in a fantasy land, ignoring all the corroborating evidence and just taking what he describes as "self serving testimony" from only Gaige or Kyle, that both would have the right to self defense. Again, that is ignoring all the other evidence because he mentions none of it. Like the fact that he had already questions Kyle. That Kyle said he was just running for the police. That you can see Kyle running directly to the police and was 100 feet away when Gaige decides to join in on the mob attacking Kyle. That Kyle didn't shoot anyone that backed off from him including Gaige himself when he put his hands up initially. All that is what you call forensic evidence that would eviscerate any self claim that Gaige would have had if he had managed to get a shot off at the same time his arm was blown off to kill Kyle. His ass would be in jail for a long time. Just like the McMichaels can't chase down Ahamud to "arrest" him for a felony they didn't have immediate knowledge of that just happened. Gaige can't either so that whole crap he was spewing on the stand was lies for an attempt at a 10 million payout he isn't ever going to see.

 

[HumblePie]

and another since I can't do two in the same post

 

[himkhan]

Turning this kid into a golden calf is so pathetic lmao.

It's going to backfire on them big time. The dems need to start hauling these criminals like Greene in and commence the trails.

 

[himkhan]

I really couldn’t care less about KR and whether or not he got convicted or not, what concerns me is what this ruling means and that is that vigilantism is ok and so is killing people in cold blood so long as there is a hint of self defense. The ruling also makes it clear that you had better kill the person and not injure them if you want to be free from convictions.

It’s a bad precedent to set and will have enormous consequences that will not make this country safer. The lack of foresight by the right, while unsurprising, is really unfortunate.

January 6 needed a couple busses of Rittenhouse's to pull up to be fair. You know a bunch of Friendlies exercising their 2A rights while helping the police with the rioters.

But the GQP wouldn't like THAT kind of Rittenhouse now would they.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Virtually and Literally are not the same thing.

How about a 30-06 semiautomatic deer rifle is it an assault rifle? How about my 22 LR squirrel rifle? They are only one ,modification away from being fully automatic.

You are just being coy as you know damn well this discussion is about the AR 15 that KR used, the very one this whole line of discussion is about. You know that, as you are the one who put up the link and pictures about the "small" differences between the AR15 and the M4. So stop with your manipulation BS.

With that said, go look up what classifies a gun as an assault weapon by definition.. Note what classifies it as an assault weapon.. (hint, it's primarily having the ability to switch between automatic and semi automatic mode). The definition doesn't give a fuck if it's a deer rifle or a squirrel rifle.. Only people who like to try to use manipulation in their argument do. Which leads us back to the point I was making about the ability to mod the AR15 to be automatic. You can't manipulate your way out of that very fact, which is all you are trying to do..

 

[Sunburn74]

And what I feared would happen, has happened:

Woman Shot, Killed After Aiming Gun at Biker She Hit With Her Car: Police

The motorcyclist shot the 35-year-old librarian after following her home, where she pointed a gun at him.

www.newsweek.com

People are using the self-defense excuse when it was not self defense. They had no legal right to chase her down. They arent police. And because she ran away from them they cannot call it self-defense. They should have called the cops and she would be sitting in jail right now for fleeing the scene of an accident and reckless endangerment and probably speeding.
Instead they CREATED a situation at her house where she was forced to defend herself.

America really is full of selfish self-centered people and its not gonna survive. We are going to collapse from the inside, like Rome.

I think the guy should be charged. Intimidation or harassment or something. No reason to follow her. Involuntary manslaughter, something. You can't have people creating these situations and then it's the survivor who gets to claim self defense.

 

[Paratus]

Legal Schmeagol is a dunce. He literally upright lies about the law several times in that video. Devin hasn't ever practiced law. Don't know why anyone watches him. Want to watch what some real practicing criminal attorneys have to say about that video?

Devin just panders to a specific low intelligence audience while using a Latin thesaurus to make himself sound smarter than he is. He is a sesquipedalian to use a big word in that context if you well. There is a reason he doesn't practice nor give real legal advice. I wouldn't trust any legal analysis from him at all.

Basic premise Devin tries to proffer here is that in a fantasy land, ignoring all the corroborating evidence and just taking what he describes as "self serving testimony" from only Gaige or Kyle, that both would have the right to self defense. Again, that is ignoring all the other evidence because he mentions none of it. Like the fact that he had already questions Kyle. That Kyle said he was just running for the police. That you can see Kyle running directly to the police and was 100 feet away when Gaige decides to join in on the mob attacking Kyle. That Kyle didn't shoot anyone that backed off from him including himself when he put his hands up initially. All that is what you call forensic evidence that would eviscerate any self claim that Gaige would have had if he had managed to get a shot off at the same time his arm was blown off to kill Kyle. His ass would be in jail for a long time. Just like the McMichaels can't chase down Ahamud to "arrest" him for a felony they didn't have immediate knowledge of that just happened. Gaige can't either so that whole crap he was spewing on the stand was lies for an attempt at a 10 million payout he isn't ever going to see.

Struck a nerve I see. However.

https://imgur.com/JsDsHaD

 

[imported_tajmahal]

go read your own article.. quote from your own link you supplied "Don’t sweat it too much, though, because the AR-15 is virtually the same gun without the fully automatic capabilities, and there are some options for making it even more similar. " They are talking about the M4 and the AR15

Here you go, how to make an AK-47 from a shovel.

Homemade AK-47 – Made From Shovel

For this DIY project you need: Shovel: $2 Romy sans-barrel AK kit: $200 Barrel blank: $30 He took his time and melted down the metal shovel head and reforged it into the actual gun receiver. Source - www.northeastshooters.com #ak47 #diy #shovel

militaryhumor.net

 

[HumblePie]

Struck a nerve I see. However.

https://imgur.com/JsDsHaD

Devin is to legal analysis as CNN is to news. If the subject doesn't have anything political to it, then he gets it right. The moment a subject has a political slant he takes a hard stance to go through as many mental gymnastic convolutions as possible to make his analysis fit his narrative.

 

[brycejones]

The guy who lied about having a law degree wants to tell us about who he thinks is a good source of legal analysis.