RNC Convention Day 3 discussion

[RY62]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
If McCain was running as Democrat rather than pretending to agree with that ownership society BS, I'd vote for him.

I can understand why you'd say that but I've always thought that's what's really wrong with our political system. Too many people are just too loyal to one party or the other. Neither party is always right or always wrong. I'm sure there are good ideas on both sides of the aisle, if only more people and more politicians would be willing to listen.

 

[prontospyder]

Very heartfelt speech. Not as exciting as last night but it was still good. Should be an interesting 2 months from here on out.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: quest55720
McCain would be the one in charge the rest of the GoP would take a back seat. It would be McCain reaching across the isle it would be McCain building a concensus with both sides on board. I would not be suprised to see McCain toss his party over board if he won. I don't think he likes his party right now and would like to rebuild them into what they were.

I wish you were right but IMO not a chance. He just picked a VP who is solidly in line with the base of the current GOP.

The only way he could get elected. The party was not high on him till the palin pick. They are now excited as hell. He now has the base no matter what he does. He can now go out there and be the man he was in 2000.

I still wish it hadn't been McCain, but the fact that he picked someone like Palin, who absolutely schooled Obama/Biden last night, makes me have no reservations at all for voting republican for president. I hope she runs for president in 8 years.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: quest55720
He can now go out there and be the man he was in 2000.

Lay off the prune juice for a while; you're getting delusional.

McSame is marching to a different beat now.

 

[sunzt]

Wait.... are Republicans voting for McCain or for Palin here?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: tangent1138
"change is coming"?

do they, um, remember that the Republicans already have the White House and have driven this country into the ground?

I love how their new idea is that in order to vote for change you can vote in the same people that have been running things for close to the last decade.

Bad move McCain. If people want change, they are going to vote for Obama, not you. If people want a president who is good at crashing airplanes into power lines they will vote for you.

Come on eskimo... You're better than that.

Awww it was a joke. I'm not even sure how good he is at that anyway, he only did it once... could have been a fluke.

I'm sure it was a joke but it was still in poor taste. I don't agree with much of what he stands for in 2008 but the man served this country honorably and he doesn't deserve that.

Why? He lost 5 aircraft in 7 years... only one to enemy action. What I'm saying has nothing to do with how honorably he served, but by most estimates losing that many aircraft makes you a pretty crappy pilot. Hell if any of the pilots I know had lost 5 aircraft I would never stop making fun of them. Simply put: John McCain appears to have been a shitty pilot. That doesn't make him any more or less qualified to be president, it doesn't make his service any more or less honorable, and it certainly doesn't matter as to his political opinions. It does make me glad to know however that he's in the back of his planes plotting campaign strategy as opposed to trying to land them.

What's the big deal?

What I mean is his flying ability has nothing to do with his ability to be POTUS. He served and apparently he wasn't an ace pilot but that doesn't have anything to do with his campaign. I agree the POW card is overplayed but I don't think the way to counter it is by hitting his service record.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: quest55720
He can now go out there and be the man he was in 2000.

Lay off the prune juice for a while; you're getting delusional.

McSame is marching to a different beat now.

thank god there's no McSame running for president.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Robor
What I mean is his flying ability has nothing to do with his ability to be POTUS. He served and apparently he wasn't an ace pilot but that doesn't have anything to do with his campaign. I agree the POW card is overplayed but I don't think the way to counter it is by hitting his service record.

I wasn't hitting on the POW card. I'm not trying to counter anything. I'm stating for the record that John McCain tends to run planes into power lines and that I find his inept piloting funny. On a similar note, Obama's shitty and girlish bowling is also funny. That's the beginning and end of it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: smashp
Its a shame because i like McCain Alot. this man should have been president 8 years ago. I voted for him then, but i just cant trust the Party at all today.

Who cares about the party he will have to work with congress. I can see great things with McCain president and a democratic congress. Lots of reaching accross the isle unlike the last 8 years.

If i had heard just McCain's speach and his wife's It would be better. The problem is every other dipsh!t who spoke at the entire convention

Me too. I think McCain gave a pretty good speech tonight. Six years ago it probably would have swayed me. Unfortunately, McCain's credibility is tainted by his behavior over the last few years. Couple that with the fact he mostly ignored that it was his own party responsible for so many of the things he railed against tonight, and the whole thing really rang pretty hollow.

As far as most of the rest of the speakers over the last few days, I heard a lot of the same dishonesty, slime, and general pandering to religious extremists that has soured me on today's Republican party.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: quest55720
He can now go out there and be the man he was in 2000.

Lay off the prune juice for a while; you're getting delusional.

McSame is marching to a different beat now.

thank god there's no McSame running for president.

He's making the Bush tax cuts permanent, he's got big oil on his ticket, lobbyists filling his ranks, a thirst for war and reckless judgment.

He's there. Look harder.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I still wish it hadn't been McCain, but the fact that he picked someone like Palin, who absolutely schooled Obama/Biden last night, makes me have no reservations at all for voting republican for president. I hope she runs for president in 8 years.

It's easy to school someone when they aren't there to respond.

 

[sammyunltd]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: quest55720
McCain would be the one in charge the rest of the GoP would take a back seat. It would be McCain reaching across the isle it would be McCain building a concensus with both sides on board. I would not be suprised to see McCain toss his party over board if he won. I don't think he likes his party right now and would like to rebuild them into what they were.

I wish you were right but IMO not a chance. He just picked a VP who is solidly in line with the base of the current GOP.

The only way he could get elected. The party was not high on him till the palin pick. They are now excited as hell. He now has the base no matter what he does. He can now go out there and be the man he was in 2000.

I still wish it hadn't been McCain, but the fact that he picked someone like Palin, who absolutely schooled Obama/Biden last night, makes me have no reservations at all for voting republican for president. I hope she runs for president in 8 years.

So, telling a bunch of lies counts as "schooling"?

Ah, and if she was that badass, then why has the Obama camp yet to reply to her "incendiary" statements?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Robor
What I mean is his flying ability has nothing to do with his ability to be POTUS. He served and apparently he wasn't an ace pilot but that doesn't have anything to do with his campaign. I agree the POW card is overplayed but I don't think the way to counter it is by hitting his service record.

I wasn't hitting on the POW card. I'm not trying to counter anything. I'm stating for the record that John McCain tends to run planes into power lines and that I find his inept piloting funny. On a similar note, Obama's shitty and girlish bowling is also funny. That's the beginning and end of it.

Maybe he sucks at bowling but did you see him hit that '3'?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: quest55720
He can now go out there and be the man he was in 2000.

Lay off the prune juice for a while; you're getting delusional.

McSame is marching to a different beat now.

thank god there's no McSame running for president.

He's making the Bush tax cuts permanent, he's got big oil on his ticket, lobbyists filling his ranks, a thirst for war and reckless judgment.

He's there. Look harder.

looking, but I'm still not seeing anyone with that name...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...dential_election,_2008

 

[lupi]

More signs that this week has the other campaign scared. other than her moment at the dem convention, the lady whom hasn't been seen in the last month+ is now sending out press releases and has announced some upcoming tour stops.

Guess that palin thing is working

 

[Treyshadow]

I still wish it hadn't been McCain, but the fact that he picked someone like Palin, who absolutely schooled Obama/Biden last night, makes me have no reservations at all for voting republican for president. I hope she runs for president in 8 years.

Did you actually watch the Biden or Obama speeches? Did you see the 120K people in that stadium? Did you hear the speeches, because if you did you should go watch them again.

I thought both Palin and McCain sounded very rehearsed, but I thought Palin with her "us versus them" speech was better than McCain's. Though even considering her "community" efforts to be in the same ballpark as Obama's is a farce. There are Mayors all over the US that work with more people in government that she has.

Though her remark about the greek column was kind of funny.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: soundforbjt

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: jpeyton
If we "drill now", the first drop of oil from the new wells won't hit the market for 7 years.

Yeah - let's not look to the future!

But, many of the average, uninformed people think prices will fall immediately if we start drilling now. It's a fallacy the Republicans are helping along.

One of the factors that can move a demand line is expectations for the future, in other words, if people know that it will be easy to get in the future the demand line will shift. What that means is lower prices immediately. That is the basic economic theory, now I don't know much about the oil industry, so there are all sorts of variables that could make me wrong, but from a pure econ 101 level, yes drilling now will lower prices now even if that oil does not hit the market for several year.

 

[lupi]

This may answer some of the questions brought up earlier.


?USA? chant is code for protesters
Posted: 11:30 PM ET
ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) ? In response to early rumors that demonstrators might try to interrupt Republican presidential nominee John McCain?s acceptance speech Thursday night, a number of delegations agreed to chant ?USA? in order to quell the sound of protesters.

On at least three occasions during the early part of his speech, members of the audience began chanting ?USA? in response to protesters, who were then escorted out of the hall.

 

[Zedtom]

I liked the way he admonished the GOP for losing its way the last seven years. The crowd didn't like what they were hearing, but someone in their party has to own up to it.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: quest55720
He can now go out there and be the man he was in 2000.

Lay off the prune juice for a while; you're getting delusional.

McSame is marching to a different beat now.

thank god there's no McSame running for president.

He's making the Bush tax cuts permanent, he's got big oil on his ticket, lobbyists filling his ranks, a thirst for war and reckless judgment.

He's there. Look harder.

looking, but I'm still not seeing anyone with that name...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...dential_election,_2008

Still not funny and I've yet to see you rebuke a 'hussein' reference.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

John McCain On partisanship...

McCain: "The constant partisan rancor that stops us from solving these problems isn't a cause, it's a symptom.... I will reach out my hand to anyone to help me get this country moving again."

So, last night's feelgood orgy of partisan rancor was... John McCain reaching his hand out to me? I'm guessing that the vitriolic speeches of Palin, Guiliani, Romney, and Huckabee last night, portend a good start. To quote his would-be VP, "Thanks - but no thanks."

Hearing all those, so called compassionate conservitives last night. It was a great reminder of the black hole we're being driven into. Hopefully Americans are sick of the bullying, the snarling, the bloodlust, the double standards, the dangerous worship of "common sense" over real intelligence. Hopefuly Americans are sick of being told they don't love their country by the very people who have busied themselves for a generation driving it into a ditch.

You'll excuse me, John, if I'm led to believe that you offer to reach out is as phony and shallow as your running mate. Here's hoping that history forgets you both.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Zedtom
I liked the way he admonished the GOP for losing its way the last seven years. The crowd didn't like what they were hearing, but someone in their party has to own up to it.

It would be far more credible if he hadn't been voting right alongside them for most of it.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: lupi
This may answer some of the questions brought up earlier.


?USA? chant is code for protesters
Posted: 11:30 PM ET
ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) ? In response to early rumors that demonstrators might try to interrupt Republican presidential nominee John McCain?s acceptance speech Thursday night, a number of delegations agreed to chant ?USA? in order to quell the sound of protesters.

On at least three occasions during the early part of his speech, members of the audience began chanting ?USA? in response to protesters, who were then escorted out of the hall.

Yep... That's what I was getting at earlier. I didn't know that was the plan but it was obvious when they were looking up at the vets in the corner and chanting. Apparently there were quite a few protests the cameras ignored (to their credit).

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Robor

Still not funny and I've yet to see you rebuke a 'hussein' reference.

because that's his name?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Zedtom
I liked the way he admonished the GOP for losing its way the last seven years. The crowd didn't like what they were hearing, but someone in their party has to own up to it.

It would be far more credible if he hadn't been voting right alongside them for most of it.

Pfft. You act like 95% is most. At least he didn't vote present!