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jpeyton

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Alex Castellanos, one of the biggest GOP blowhards on TV, just said on CNN that McCain proved he's not a great orator. Speech ran long.
Given hi s past speeches I don't think that comes across as a shock to anyone. No offense but the man is 72 years old. What do you expect? My father is 68 and he can't understand how someone 4 years older than him could endure the demands of that position. I must say I was shocked to see his 96(?) year old mother looking great for her age.

His mom looks great for 96, but neither his father nor grandfather made it to 72.
His mom looks 72 and he looks 96.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Better than I expected. His writers were on their game (for the most part), and his delivery was much more natural than usual. If he could just stop repeating "My friends..."

Are you serious? I don't think he's improved at all. He's robotic and very obvious about reading the teleprompter. I don't know if it's his vision but it seems like it takes him a second to focus on the teleprompter to start speaking. And he's still delivering some lines followed by the creepy smiles now and then. In short, he looks uncomfortable.

I just calls it like I sees it.

He's not a great orator, I wasn't expecting Cicero reincarnate. Considering how stiff he can be, I think he exceeded expectations.
FWIW, he developed some cadence despite the interruptions (which Palin couldn't) and kept the creepy smile in check. Mostly.

Maybe he benefits from the "soft bigotry" of my "low expectations".

Regarding the interruptions... I wish the camera didn't give them attention. IMO the vets holding up signs in the corner were fine because they didn't appear to be creating a disturbance. The woman in pink was a tool and just makes her cause look bad. It's not Jerry Springer so don't act like it.
 

nageov3t

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fortunately, we elect presidents based on policy and leadership, not speaking abilities... aw, hell. who am I kidding.

McCain's lost and he doesn't even know it yet.
 

soundforbjt

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: soundforbjt
How can the repubs claim any diversity in their party when All you see is a sea of old white people?

There was a black woman there .... right before security escorted her out.

We were playing a drinking game the other night where every time the camera panned someone had to drink until we saw a minority in the audience. We eventually just gave up.

We did that last night...I'm too hung over to do it again tonight.

 

smashp

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Its a shame because i like McCain Alot. this man should have been president 8 years ago. I voted for him then, but i just cant trust the Party at all today.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: Robor
Regarding the interruptions... I wish the camera didn't give them attention. IMO the vets holding up signs in the corner were fine because they didn't appear to be creating a disturbance. The woman in pink was a tool and just makes her cause look bad. It's not Jerry Springer so don't act like it.

I meant all the interruptions from his supporters. Neither McCain nor Palin really know how to carry a crowd to where they want the reactions. It breaks their cadence and makes them sound stilted and awkward.
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: smashp
Its a shame because i like McCain Alot. this man should have been president 8 years ago. I voted for him then, but i just cant trust the Party at all today.

Who cares about the party he will have to work with congress. I can see great things with McCain president and a democratic congress. Lots of reaching accross the isle unlike the last 8 years.
 

Dari

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WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT? The speech was excellent, much better than the garbage last night. Very patriotic. Unfortunately, it should've been delivered 8 years ago.

 

her209

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I especially like how McCain talks up service to your community and serving a greater cause yet puts down Obama's work as a community organizer in the south side of Chicago.
 

Throckmorton

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If McCain was running as Democrat rather than pretending to agree with that ownership society BS, I'd vote for him.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: tangent1138
"change is coming"?

do they, um, remember that the Republicans already have the White House and have driven this country into the ground?

I love how their new idea is that in order to vote for change you can vote in the same people that have been running things for close to the last decade.

Bad move McCain. If people want change, they are going to vote for Obama, not you. If people want a president who is good at crashing airplanes into power lines they will vote for you.

Come on eskimo... You're better than that.

Awww it was a joke. I'm not even sure how good he is at that anyway, he only did it once... could have been a fluke.

I'm sure it was a joke but it was still in poor taste. I don't agree with much of what he stands for in 2008 but the man served this country honorably and he doesn't deserve that.
 

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Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: smashp
Its a shame because i like McCain Alot. this man should have been president 8 years ago. I voted for him then, but i just cant trust the Party at all today.

Who cares about the party he will have to work with congress. I can see great things with McCain president and a democratic congress. Lots of reaching accross the isle unlike the last 8 years.


If i had heard just McCain's speach and his wife's It would be better. The problem is every other dipsh!t who spoke at the entire convention
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: her209
I especially like how McCain talks up service to your community and serving a greater cause yet puts down Obama's work as a community organizer in the south side of Chicago.

I don't think anyone "put down" working in the community... Palin's comments were a defensive response to the Obama camp's assertion that being a city council member / mayor / governor is somehow contemptible compared to being a community organizer.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
If McCain was running as Democrat rather than pretending to agree with that ownership society BS, I'd vote for him.

Why does his party matter? Either you believe what he's saying or you don't.
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: smashp
Its a shame because i like McCain Alot. this man should have been president 8 years ago. I voted for him then, but i just cant trust the Party at all today.

Who cares about the party he will have to work with congress. I can see great things with McCain president and a democratic congress. Lots of reaching accross the isle unlike the last 8 years.


If i had heard just McCain's speach and his wife's It would be better. The problem is every other dipsh!t who spoke at the entire convention

McCain would be the one in charge the rest of the GoP would take a back seat. It would be McCain reaching across the isle it would be McCain building a concensus with both sides on board. I would not be suprised to see McCain toss his party over board if he won. I don't think he likes his party right now and would like to rebuild them into what they were.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: her209
I especially like how McCain talks up service to your community and serving a greater cause yet puts down Obama's work as a community organizer in the south side of Chicago.

I don't think anyone "put down" working in the community... Palin's comments were a defensive response to the Obama camp's assertion that being a city council member / mayor / governor is somehow contemptible compared to being a community organizer.

Sure it was a defensive response but it was deliberate and insulting nonetheless.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: smashp
Its a shame because i like McCain Alot. this man should have been president 8 years ago. I voted for him then, but i just cant trust the Party at all today.

Who cares about the party he will have to work with congress. I can see great things with McCain president and a democratic congress. Lots of reaching accross the isle unlike the last 8 years.


If i had heard just McCain's speach and his wife's It would be better. The problem is every other dipsh!t who spoke at the entire convention

McCain would be the one in charge the rest of the GoP would take a back seat. It would be McCain reaching across the isle it would be McCain building a concensus with both sides on board. I would not be suprised to see McCain toss his party over board if he won. I don't think he likes his party right now and would like to rebuild them into what they were.

Like he has tossed his party overboard during this campaign? Who are you kidding? This guy has changed a lot in 8 years and it shows. For you to not see that isn't shocking.
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: smashp
Its a shame because i like McCain Alot. this man should have been president 8 years ago. I voted for him then, but i just cant trust the Party at all today.

Who cares about the party he will have to work with congress. I can see great things with McCain president and a democratic congress. Lots of reaching accross the isle unlike the last 8 years.


If i had heard just McCain's speach and his wife's It would be better. The problem is every other dipsh!t who spoke at the entire convention

McCain would be the one in charge the rest of the GoP would take a back seat. It would be McCain reaching across the isle it would be McCain building a concensus with both sides on board. I would not be suprised to see McCain toss his party over board if he won. I don't think he likes his party right now and would like to rebuild them into what they were.


And the reason for the Palin Pick? Was it to Energize the Base? so that Would Be Party and Campaign First.....Not the country.

See I listen to Rush daily and all the wannabee's ocasionally, and they just got on board this week, because of Palin. that fact alone Makes her scary.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: quest55720
McCain would be the one in charge the rest of the GoP would take a back seat. It would be McCain reaching across the isle it would be McCain building a concensus with both sides on board. I would not be suprised to see McCain toss his party over board if he won. I don't think he likes his party right now and would like to rebuild them into what they were.

I wish you were right but IMO not a chance. He just picked a VP who is solidly in line with the base of the current GOP.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: tangent1138
"change is coming"?

do they, um, remember that the Republicans already have the White House and have driven this country into the ground?

I love how their new idea is that in order to vote for change you can vote in the same people that have been running things for close to the last decade.

Bad move McCain. If people want change, they are going to vote for Obama, not you. If people want a president who is good at crashing airplanes into power lines they will vote for you.

Come on eskimo... You're better than that.

Awww it was a joke. I'm not even sure how good he is at that anyway, he only did it once... could have been a fluke.

I'm sure it was a joke but it was still in poor taste. I don't agree with much of what he stands for in 2008 but the man served this country honorably and he doesn't deserve that.

Why? He lost 5 aircraft in 7 years... only one to enemy action. What I'm saying has nothing to do with how honorably he served, but by most estimates losing that many aircraft makes you a pretty crappy pilot. Hell if any of the pilots I know had lost 5 aircraft I would never stop making fun of them. Simply put: John McCain appears to have been a shitty pilot. That doesn't make him any more or less qualified to be president, it doesn't make his service any more or less honorable, and it certainly doesn't matter as to his political opinions. It does make me glad to know however that he's in the back of his planes plotting campaign strategy as opposed to trying to land them.

What's the big deal?
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: smashp
Its a shame because i like McCain Alot. this man should have been president 8 years ago. I voted for him then, but i just cant trust the Party at all today.

Who cares about the party he will have to work with congress. I can see great things with McCain president and a democratic congress. Lots of reaching accross the isle unlike the last 8 years.


If i had heard just McCain's speach and his wife's It would be better. The problem is every other dipsh!t who spoke at the entire convention

McCain would be the one in charge the rest of the GoP would take a back seat. It would be McCain reaching across the isle it would be McCain building a concensus with both sides on board. I would not be suprised to see McCain toss his party over board if he won. I don't think he likes his party right now and would like to rebuild them into what they were.

Like he has tossed his party overboard during this campaign? Who are you kidding? This guy has changed a lot in 8 years and it shows. For you to not see that isn't shocking.

Like how McCain campaiged with W when he knew what Rove and the swiftboaters were doing and How he got into lock step on the torture issues.
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: quest55720
McCain would be the one in charge the rest of the GoP would take a back seat. It would be McCain reaching across the isle it would be McCain building a concensus with both sides on board. I would not be suprised to see McCain toss his party over board if he won. I don't think he likes his party right now and would like to rebuild them into what they were.

I wish you were right but IMO not a chance. He just picked a VP who is solidly in line with the base of the current GOP.

The only way he could get elected. The party was not high on him till the palin pick. They are now excited as hell. He now has the base no matter what he does. He can now go out there and be the man he was in 2000.

 
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