Road rage with no helmet...

[boyRacer]

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[slick230]

Fvcking cager asshole.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Police say Harvath's taxi passed Biring, then braked in front of the motorcycle, and Biring lost control as he tried to stop.

He was thrown into oncoming traffic and hit by a Pontiac sedan traveling in the opposite direction. Biring, who was not wearing a helmet, died at Methodist Hospital.

:Q

 

He died of severe head injuries. Yes, the cabbie deserves to fry, but the cyclist might have been still alive today had it not been for his own stupidity and ignorance.

 

[ElFenix]

wonder if he'd have died had he a helmet?

 

[HappyPuppy]

The cab driver was an asshole. It doesn't matter if they guy was wearing a helmet, he wouldn't have been injured if the cabbie hadn't pulled around him and slammed on the brakes.

OTOH, if the biker hadn't flipped the cabbie off he might still be alive.

Life is full of quandries.

 

[wolf papa]

I see the newspaper didn't miss the opportunity to interject the irrelevant fact that he wasn't wearing a helmet. If you're thrown into the oncoming lane and run over by a car, you're screwed, helmet or no helmet.

 

Originally posted by: wolf papa
I see the newspaper didn't miss the opportunity to interject the irrelevant fact that he wasn't wearing a helmet. If you're thrown into the oncoming lane and run over by a car, you're screwed, helmet or no helmet.

I see the newspaper didn't miss the opportunity to interject the irrelevant fact that the cabbie leased his vehicle from the cab company. Jeez - the paper is just trying to present all the facts. Relevant or not, it's still part of the story. You're sure a quick judgement-passer.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: wolf papa
If you're thrown into the oncoming lane and run over by a car, you're screwed, helmet or no helmet.

Where does it say he was run over, and how can you be so sure a helmet wouldn't have saved his life?


Lethal

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
wonder if he'd have died had he a helmet?

Last I checked, condoms do not protect you from crash-related injuries.

 

[DanFungus]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Where does it say he was run over, and how can you be so sure a helmet wouldn't have saved his life?


Lethal

He was thrown into oncoming traffic and hit by a Pontiac sedan traveling in the opposite direction.

?

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: wolf papa
I see the newspaper didn't miss the opportunity to interject the irrelevant fact that he wasn't wearing a helmet. If you're thrown into the oncoming lane and run over by a car, you're screwed, helmet or no helmet.

I see the newspaper didn't miss the opportunity to interject the irrelevant fact that the cabbie leased his vehicle from the cab company. Jeez - the paper is just trying to present all the facts. Relevant or not, it's still part of the story. You're sure a quick judgement-passer.

Actually it's quite relevant and an interesting fact, something I didnt know before.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: slick230
Fvcking cager asshole.

That pretty much sums it up. People need to learn to have some fvcking respect for bikes. Spend a week riding and you'll want to kill half the idiots on the road. Granted, the rider was fairly squidly for not having a helmet but still, cager needs to fry.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: slick230
Fvcking cager asshole.

That pretty much sums it up. People need to learn to have some fvcking respect for bikes. Spend a week riding and you'll want to kill half the idiots on the road. Granted, the rider was fairly squidly for not having a helmet but still, cager needs to fry.

You don't even need a week... just 2 hours and you'll be scared sh!tless...

 

[IanthePez]

If he had been in a car, he would be alive too......

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: boyRacer

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: slick230
Fvcking cager asshole.

That pretty much sums it up. People need to learn to have some fvcking respect for bikes. Spend a week riding and you'll want to kill half the idiots on the road. Granted, the rider was fairly squidly for not having a helmet but still, cager needs to fry.

You don't even need a week... just 2 hours and you'll be scared sh!tless...

Yah, but that's just being scared. It takes at least a few days to work up a truly murderous rage over all the idiot drivers

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: boyRacer

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: slick230
Fvcking cager asshole.

That pretty much sums it up. People need to learn to have some fvcking respect for bikes. Spend a week riding and you'll want to kill half the idiots on the road. Granted, the rider was fairly squidly for not having a helmet but still, cager needs to fry.

You don't even need a week... just 2 hours and you'll be scared sh!tless...

Yah, but that's just being scared. It takes at least a few days to work up a truly murderous rage over all the idiot drivers

Actually... 5 minutes in LA traffic is enough for me... considering how everyone here are idiots

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: wolf papa
I see the newspaper didn't miss the opportunity to interject the irrelevant fact that he wasn't wearing a helmet. If you're thrown into the oncoming lane and run over by a car, you're screwed, helmet or no helmet.

I see the newspaper didn't miss the opportunity to interject the irrelevant fact that the cabbie leased his vehicle from the cab company. Jeez - the paper is just trying to present all the facts. Relevant or not, it's still part of the story. You're sure a quick judgement-passer.

Both facts are relevant. It would be irrelevant if they mentioned that the first cop on the scene had a moustache. The fact that the cab driver leased his car would probably have legal ramifications - the cab company probably has no liability. It also helps disassociate the cab driver with the cab company - good for P.R.

My college roommate got in an accident a couple of years ago, probably would have died without a helmet. On the other hand, a helmet reduces your peripheral vision.

He died of severe head injuries. Yes, the cabbie deserves to fry, but the cyclist might have been still alive today had it not been for his own stupidity and ignorance.

So... people who die of head injuries in car accidents are stupid and ignorant as well for not wearing helmets when they're driving their car? Motorcycle helmets aren't required in Indiana (or most other states anymore). Granted you are more exposed to danger on a motorcycle, but motorcyclists are more attentive than most drivers because of that. The danger in riding a motorcycle is not your own bad driving, it is that of people around you. You can't start passing the blame to people just because they don't want to wear a helmet - put one on and see how you like it.

 

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: wolf papa
I see the newspaper didn't miss the opportunity to interject the irrelevant fact that he wasn't wearing a helmet. If you're thrown into the oncoming lane and run over by a car, you're screwed, helmet or no helmet.

I see the newspaper didn't miss the opportunity to interject the irrelevant fact that the cabbie leased his vehicle from the cab company. Jeez - the paper is just trying to present all the facts. Relevant or not, it's still part of the story. You're sure a quick judgement-passer.

Both facts are relevant. It would be irrelevant if they mentioned that the first cop on the scene had a moustache. The fact that the cab driver leased his car would probably have legal ramifications - the cab company probably has no liability. It also helps disassociate the cab driver with the cab company - good for P.R.

My college roommate got in an accident a couple of years ago, probably would have died without a helmet. On the other hand, a helmet reduces your peripheral vision.

He died of severe head injuries. Yes, the cabbie deserves to fry, but the cyclist might have been still alive today had it not been for his own stupidity and ignorance.

So... people who die of head injuries in car accidents are stupid and ignorant as well for not wearing helmets when they're driving their car? Motorcycle helmets aren't required in Indiana (or most other states anymore). Granted you are more exposed to danger on a motorcycle, but motorcyclists are more attentive than most drivers because of that. The danger in riding a motorcycle is not your own bad driving, it is that of people around you. You can't start passing the blame to people just because they don't want to wear a helmet - put one on and see how you like it.

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Can't get any more objective than the MSF, can you?

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: wolf papa
I see the newspaper didn't miss the opportunity to interject the irrelevant fact that he wasn't wearing a helmet. If you're thrown into the oncoming lane and run over by a car, you're screwed, helmet or no helmet.

I see the newspaper didn't miss the opportunity to interject the irrelevant fact that the cabbie leased his vehicle from the cab company. Jeez - the paper is just trying to present all the facts. Relevant or not, it's still part of the story. You're sure a quick judgement-passer.

Both facts are relevant. It would be irrelevant if they mentioned that the first cop on the scene had a moustache. The fact that the cab driver leased his car would probably have legal ramifications - the cab company probably has no liability. It also helps disassociate the cab driver with the cab company - good for P.R.

My college roommate got in an accident a couple of years ago, probably would have died without a helmet. On the other hand, a helmet reduces your peripheral vision.

He died of severe head injuries. Yes, the cabbie deserves to fry, but the cyclist might have been still alive today had it not been for his own stupidity and ignorance.

So... people who die of head injuries in car accidents are stupid and ignorant as well for not wearing helmets when they're driving their car? Motorcycle helmets aren't required in Indiana (or most other states anymore). Granted you are more exposed to danger on a motorcycle, but motorcyclists are more attentive than most drivers because of that. The danger in riding a motorcycle is not your own bad driving, it is that of people around you. You can't start passing the blame to people just because they don't want to wear a helmet - put one on and see how you like it.

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"Wearing A Helmet

By Victor Moss

I?ve been riding for over 25 years, in conditions as varied as snow and ice in Michigan to 125 degree desert heat and blowing sand in Nevada. While each poses its own unique situations, the worst I?ve experienced was riding in Colorado Springs during the summer of 1980.

Colorado Springs has over 300 days of sunshine a year, prefect motorcycle riding weather. But the city sits in the shadows of Pikes Peak, a 14,000 ft. a mountain that generates its own weather. As a summer days warm, moisture from the melting snow of the Rocky Mountains creates an afternoon rainstorm each day around four o?clock. Many times, these storms are accompanied by hail stones.

One afternoon, I was unfortunate enough to be caught by one of these storms. While most rainstorms don?t bother me, this one was particularly vicious. As the wind picked up, the rain started coming down almost horizontally, hitting me with such force that it felt like nails piercing my suit. I knew I needed to find shelter quickly.

I noticed a white sheen forming in front of me and knew my worst nightmare was about to begin. Hail! The only thing worse than hail is hail the size of baseballs. As I hunkered down behind my fairing, I felt hailstones slamming on my back and helmet with quicker frequency. As the onslaught continued, the hailstones grew in size when a stone the size of a softball slammed square on top of my helmet, pushing my head down onto my handlebars. I struggled to maintain control of my bike, and thought I was going to lose control, becoming another victim of Mother Nature. Gaining control, I came to the only bridge in sight and stopped to assess the damage. As I removed my helmet, I found it was cracked like an automobile windshield hit by a rock.

To this day, I often wonder what would have happened had I not been wearing a helmet. Would I have stopped earlier or continued taking chances as I rode? How would my head have taken the impact? Would I even be here today to ask these questions? Over the years I?ve gained a greater appreciation for helmets and the protection they offer. I wish that every rider would choose to wear a helmet whenever they rode. To me it is clearly the smart thing to do."

 

[Grey]

Holey crap! And I was satisfied with the damn grasshoppers not taking my eyes out when I wear a helmet!

 

[wolf papa]

Yes, I made some assumptions - that it was the person (rather than person AND bike) thrown into the oncoming traffic, that he was probably lying in the road (rather than sitting or standing), that the car ran over him (rather than a simple impact), and that he probably sustained other serious/life-threatening injuries that were not mentioned (if he sustained major head trauma, is there any need to investigate whether he also had a broken neck, internal injuries, loss of blood, shock - any of which could also be fatal, just not as obvious)

I get frustrated with incidents like these being used to legislate things that should be MY choices. From a simple statement like "He was not wearing a helmet", the general public assumes that since a helmet was not worn, and that the rider died, if he HAD been wearing a helmet, he would have lived. A lot of people in car accidents die from head injuries, maybe everyone in a car should have to wear helmets?

The problem is that you don't get to hear the opposite view - where a helmet contributed to the accident (loss of peripheral vision and directional hearing, for instance). Think about that, if you're a computer gamer, is it an advantage to have additional monitors at the sides of your head, or 4+ speakers so that you can hear whats behind you? Then there are also factors like heat inside a helmet and increased surface area (which relates to wind drag, neck fatigue and actually turning the head to look rather than relying on the bike mirrors that are subject to blind spots - just like cars). Whiplash in a car accident ? What happens with centifugal force and momentum when the weight on the head is increased?

The MSF has letters from motorcyclists praising helmets ? And none from people complaining about helmets? That must mean that either :
1. No one has any negative experiences with helmets, or
2. People who do have negative experiences haven't submitted their views, or
3. The MSF doesn't publish views contrary to their official line

I feel that the emphasis on helmets overshadows the importance of rider training and defensive driving, that some riders feel that as long as they are using a helmet, they are safe. The myth is repeated so often that it's accepted as truth - use a helmet to save your life. A 30 mph collison may not seem that severe from a car driver's realm of perception, but to a pedestrian or motorcyclist, the same impact can be fatal (despite what you have on your head).

 

[Tom]

Pretty weird that a cab could stop shorter than a bike, wonder what kind of bike it was.

 

[cavemanmoron]

i have crashed and,was glad to have had a full face helemt on;while riding;
a Motorcycle,twice;the first time,i was stopped at a Stop sign,went to leave,and hit loose dirt
in the middle of the intersection,the bikes rear tire kicked out Hard,and i was thrown off the bike.

I landed on my right side,and when i got up,my shirt was ripped at the shoulder.my helmets chin guard
was scratched Really bad,and it was also cracked,where,if it had been an open face helmet,my chin would have been really messed up.

Another time i was trying to turn around on the dead end street by my house,this was about 10 years after the first incident.I had turned the bike around in the same spot earler in the day,but;now the grass
was soaked with a heavy dew;i dropped the bike,and when i got up,and removed my Full Face Snell
approved helmet,noticed the vent in the chin was packed full of grass,and mud.

i have had mishaps while snowmobiling, 4 wheeling,{ATV's},and dirt bikes.

I am still here to post in this thread,and i think that i am lucky.

 

[wolf papa]

it may not have mattered what kind of bike - yes, most bikes can stop in a shorter distance than most cars. But the cab driver KNEW he was going to hit the brakes, then maybe .7 - 1.5 seconds reaction time before the guy following grabbed the brakes.