PSA - If you make comments like " my grocery getter is better than this", please state what car you have.
http://www.club4geclipse.com/article11.html
http://www.club4geclipse.com/article11.html
Yes, we wanted an all out performance car, but Mitsubishi already offers one of those, its called a Lancer Evolution... Its for someone considering an Acura RSX, But who actually wants some power.
aside from the weight issue and the fantastic new shape, the biggest news for the Eclipse is the new engine that powers the GT model: its a cast iron block, aluminum head 3.8 liter SOHC V6 that delivers 263bhp at 5750 rpm along with 260 lb.-ft. of front tire shredding torque at 4500 rpm.
The outgoing 3.0 liter defined the term "buttery smooth." The new one should be classified as "buttery smooth, but with some serious rip."\
So how does it drive? Like a GT car... meaning we enjoyed taking it up the mountain road, but it wouldnt be our weapon of choice for that battle. It shines in more normal everyday spirited driving, the kind you would do on the way to work, running errands and taking weekend trips on highways or winding two lanes; track days are out. For sure, the new Eclipse is one of the most comfortable sports couples on the market, delivering a remarkably smooth ride, a quiet cockpit and superb front seats.
All that said the car responds pretty well to both drop throttle and left foot braking to dial out the understeer (throttle and brake can be overlapped, as the car does not have a stability system that cuts power). The Eclipse responds even better as speeds increase, eating up high speed sweepers, with driver induced oversteer tendencies available if called upon.
Originally posted by: RKS
I had a 90 GSX and the Eclipse nameplate has gotten worse over the years. While this is a slight step in the right direction (power-wise, not esthetically) I think Mr. Bitchy should put a de-tuned Evo8? engine in the Eclipse.
For a sports car this about a quick as my 2k2 4 door grocery-getter.
What car is that?Originally posted by: RKS
For a sports car this about a quick as my 2k2 4 door grocery-getter.
Why would Mitsu be stupid enough to create something that would steal sales from the Evo?Originally posted by: CRXican
werd, de-tuned Evo 8 engine would be great. It might lack some of the torque but I bet it is much lighter and it's easy to mod.
Except that it actually has torque, and it it does 0-60mph in under 6s. The RSX-s does it in under 7s. That's a whole second difference. And you're not driving a glorified Civic.Originally posted by: Scouzer
Someone forgot to mention 263bhp in a 4000lb Eclipse is not that much better than a 200hp 2800lb RSX...
from here:Originally posted by: Scouzer
Yeah, it is pretty quick. I dunno. How does it handle?
nimble handling for a front-driver... It's fun and it weighs over 3,500 pounds? Evidently, there's something to be said for front-drive coupes with big V6s.
Originally posted by: TuffGuy
What car is that? 6-speed Max SEOriginally posted by: RKS
For a sports car this about a quick as my 2k2 4 door grocery-getter.
Why would Mitsu be stupid enough to create something that would steal sales from the Evo? 2 different markets, a lot of car manf. use the same engine in various chassiesOriginally posted by: CRXican
werd, de-tuned Evo 8 engine would be great. It might lack some of the torque but I bet it is much lighter and it's easy to mod.
Except that it actually has torque, and it it does 0-60mph in under 6s. The RSX-s does it in under 7s. That's a whole second difference. And you're not driving a glorified Civic.Originally posted by: Scouzer
Someone forgot to mention 263bhp in a 4000lb Eclipse is not that much better than a 200hp 2800lb RSX...
Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Why would Mitsu be stupid enough to create something that would steal sales from the Evo?Originally posted by: CRXican
werd, de-tuned Evo 8 engine would be great. It might lack some of the torque but I bet it is much lighter and it's easy to mod.
Nice! I like those. But at the end of the day, it's still a 4-door grocery getter, and not a 2-door sports coupe.6-speed Max SE
The markets are very similar. You'd have a lot of performance enthusiats and tweakers who'd buy a cheaper Eclipse instead of the Evo.2 different markets, a lot of car manf. use the same engine in various chassies
You're comparing two performance vehicles. People don't buy the Evo because it has 4 doors.Originally posted by: CRXican
That's a silly question. You're comparing a 4 door AWD car to a 2 Door FWD car. The EVO sales would not be "stolen" at all.Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Why would Mitsu be stupid enough to create something that would steal sales from the Evo?Originally posted by: CRXican
werd, de-tuned Evo 8 engine would be great. It might lack some of the torque but I bet it is much lighter and it's easy to mod.
I guess some might but I think they like the AWD idea though. Many FWD haters out there.Originally posted by: TuffGuy
You're comparing two performance vehicles. People don't buy the Evo because it has 4 doors.Originally posted by: CRXican
That's a silly question. You're comparing a 4 door AWD car to a 2 Door FWD car. The EVO sales would not be "stolen" at all.Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Why would Mitsu be stupid enough to create something that would steal sales from the Evo?Originally posted by: CRXican
werd, de-tuned Evo 8 engine would be great. It might lack some of the torque but I bet it is much lighter and it's easy to mod.
They buy it because it has the 4G63 and AWD.
If you give them a cheaper FWD option with the 4G63, you don't think some people would opt for that?
people buy Maximas and Altimas vs 350z and vice-versa because of different needs. I would never consider another Eclipse (even if it had the EVO8 powertrain) but the Evo8 with 4 doors is very temptingOriginally posted by: TuffGuy
Nice! I like those. But at the end of the day, it's still a 4-door grocery getter, and not a 2-door sports coupe.hey I did already mention it was a grocery-getter6-speed Max SE
The markets are very similar. You'd have a lot of performance enthusiats and tweakers who'd buy a cheaper Eclipse instead of the Evo.2 different markets, a lot of car manf. use the same engine in various chassies
You'd basically have a rebirth of the GSX and GST. The are FWD haters out there, but given the choice of FWD and AWD and a several thousand dollar gap, most of us would choose the FWD and have a car that can kill from a roll.Originally posted by: CRXican
I guess some might but I think they like the AWD idea though. Many FWD haters out there.Originally posted by: TuffGuy
You're comparing two performance vehicles. People don't buy the Evo because it has 4 doors.Originally posted by: CRXican
That's a silly question. You're comparing a 4 door AWD car to a 2 Door FWD car. The EVO sales would not be "stolen" at all.Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Why would Mitsu be stupid enough to create something that would steal sales from the Evo?Originally posted by: CRXican
werd, de-tuned Evo 8 engine would be great. It might lack some of the torque but I bet it is much lighter and it's easy to mod.
They buy it because it has the 4G63 and AWD.
If you give them a cheaper FWD option with the 4G63, you don't think some people would opt for that?
I know, I was just quoting you. But 'it's as fast as my grocery getter' and 'it's still a grocery-getter' have different connotations. At the end of the day, the sex appeal and functionality is the difference.hey I did already mention it was a grocery-getter
I agree, but there are people who would never consider a 4-door sedan unless it has the Evo8 powertrain.people buy Maximas and Altimas vs 350z and vice-versa because of different needs. I would never consider another Eclipse (even if it had the EVO8 powertrain) but the Evo8 with 4 doors is very tempting
Originally posted by: TuffGuy
You'd basically have a rebirth of the GSX and GST. The are FWD haters out there, but given the choice of FWD and AWD and a several thousand dollar gap, most of us would choose the FWD and have a car that can kill from a roll.Originally posted by: CRXican
I guess some might but I think they like the AWD idea though. Many FWD haters out there.Originally posted by: TuffGuy
You're comparing two performance vehicles. People don't buy the Evo because it has 4 doors.Originally posted by: CRXican
That's a silly question. You're comparing a 4 door AWD car to a 2 Door FWD car. The EVO sales would not be "stolen" at all.Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Why would Mitsu be stupid enough to create something that would steal sales from the Evo?Originally posted by: CRXican
werd, de-tuned Evo 8 engine would be great. It might lack some of the torque but I bet it is much lighter and it's easy to mod.
They buy it because it has the 4G63 and AWD.
If you give them a cheaper FWD option with the 4G63, you don't think some people would opt for that?
Mitsu created the Evo to fight against the WRX, the 350Z, the RX-8, etc.
The Eclipse is designed to fight against the RSX, the Celica, etc.