Road & Track 2006 Eclipse review

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Why bother debating with a fanboy? We may as well start an Intel/AMD fight next.

I might as well ask the same question. Why bother debating with Mitsu haters. Even if it's a good product, those idiots only see a Mitsu badge.

heh, you got me there. I'm a hard sell on anything with that badge

hahahaha :beer:

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: computeerrgghh
I never knew that Americans wanted cars that look like someone took a shovel and smashed in part of the bumper/hood...

Have you even driven the car, let alone been in one that you are defending it to the death?

Have any of these guys ever driven the car, let alone been in the one that they're criticizing?

We have people driving CAMRYs criticizing it's performance.

If you've noticed, I haven't made any replies to those who just commented on how the car looks.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Why bother debating with a fanboy? We may as well start an Intel/AMD fight next.

I might as well ask the same question. Why bother debating with Mitsu haters. Even if it's a good product, those idiots only see a Mitsu badge.

I'm sure it's a good product, but I think the arguement is that you are proclaiming god's gift to mankind for millenia of service, rather than a portly, if not fun, grand tourer.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: spidey07
exactly...you're calling an eclipse luxurios. I call shens.

Compared to the SRT-4 and the Celica? HELL YES.

your forgetting the Cobalt SS. its a MUCH better car than a neon is. MUCH MUCH MUCH better. and it sure as hell aint no cavalier as you describe it. many people on here will say its a very nice car.

MIKE

Yes, I like it too, but it is a new car, so we have no idea how reliable or how good it is.

you said that this car would be reliable, or you can imply that you said that, earlier in the thread, and now your saying that me calling a new car reliable is not possible?

how can you say a car is not known on the "good scale" when everyone says it is

the Mitsu is the ONLY car you can say is actually unknown on quality of materials.

TuffGuy, if you notice, ive only compared this car (ive been in prior eclipses, and they sucked, last gen) to cars ive been in, and ive been in the cobalt, the civic, the Mazda 3, and a dodge neon. as well as corvettes, camaros, impalas (new style), and SUVs, and a G35. so you cant say anything about me having never been in the cars im comparing.

MIKE

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: computeerrgghh
I never knew that Americans wanted cars that look like someone took a shovel and smashed in part of the bumper/hood...

Have you even driven the car, let alone been in one that you are defending it to the death?

Have any of these guys ever driven the car, let alone been in the one that they're criticizing?

We have people driving CAMRYs criticizing it's performance.

If you've noticed, I haven't made any replies to those who just commented on how the car looks.

But the Camry is not claiming to be a sporty car, and no one here is claiming that either.
But the fact that its lighter than the "sports coupe" Eclipse is embarassing.

 

[uclaxman]

this thread is gay
i ride my 10 speed bike

hahaha

 

[uclaxman]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Laugh all you want, but they're still more reliable than Fords and Chevys. And way better put together.

The Cobalt SS is not only slower than the new Eclipse, but at the end of the day, it's still a renamed Cavalier.

Very seriously doubt that. And it's a totally new vehicle, not a Cavalier.

Viper GTS

We'll see. It's too new to tell, but we all know that Chevy killed the Cavalier name and replaced it with Cobalt because of the Cavalier's crappy reputation and reliability.

a buddy of mine use to havea Cavalier in HS...he got pulled over by a cop...the cop asks him: "what is this an '84 model"...my buddy said: "naw its a '94". The cop replies "are you serious? no way its not a '94". HAHAHAHA Chevys

 

[KokomoGSTmp]

It looks to be a better version of the 3rd gen Eclipse. Yeah the cheaped out on the "sporting" part of the car but I have to agree it will hit it's demographic well... girls and younger people that like its looks.

It's very sad when it takes a full generation of crap before Mitsu even comes back far enough to match the performance of my old car (2G GS-T ran 14.1s) but 14.4 is pretty quick for the segment. It's bigger than the RSX TypeS and a bit faster as well.

Personally, I'm happy with my "new to me" 98 Talon TSi AWD... but it's sad that Mitsubishi doesn't want to produce a REAL sport coupe again, but it'd probably cut into sales of the Evo anywho if they did release an AWD 4G63T powered Eclipse again.

 

[HOML]

How much will this cost??? I want one!

 

[SuperTool]

That deviation from the original concept headlights made them look like cavalier ones

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
you said that this car would be reliable, or you can imply that you said that, earlier in the thread, and now your saying that me calling a new car reliable is not possible?

how can you say a car is not known on the "good scale" when everyone says it is

the Mitsu is the ONLY car you can say is actually unknown on quality of materials.

TuffGuy, if you notice, ive only compared this car (ive been in prior eclipses, and they sucked, last gen) to cars ive been in, and ive been in the cobalt, the civic, the Mazda 3, and a dodge neon. as well as corvettes, camaros, impalas (new style), and SUVs, and a G35. so you cant say anything about me having never been in the cars im comparing.

MIKE

I said that which car would be reliable? The Cobalt is the replacement for the Cavalier. That is a fact. The Cavalier did not have a good reputation. That is a fact. There's a reason why they killed it off. We have to wait and see how good the Cobalt is, of there's any recalls, etc.

I never said that the Mitsu is unknown on quality of materials. Mitsu generally uses better materials than the Tonka paypen plastic crap that Chevy whips up. If the car was made of crap, the reviewers would have said so. They did not.

They also said that despite its size, weight, and torque steer, it's nimble, fun, shines in everyday spirited driving, it's one of the most comfortable sports coupes on the market, delivers a remarkably smooth ride, a quiet cockpit, and superb front seats.

Now, despite all those positive comments from the reviewers, the experts on these boards still insist that it's a heavy, crappy car. I'm repeating what these reviewers have said, whereas most of the posters are pulling shite out of their asses.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: computeerrgghh
I never knew that Americans wanted cars that look like someone took a shovel and smashed in part of the bumper/hood...

Have you even driven the car, let alone been in one that you are defending it to the death?

Have any of these guys ever driven the car, let alone been in the one that they're criticizing?

We have people driving CAMRYs criticizing it's performance.

If you've noticed, I haven't made any replies to those who just commented on how the car looks.

But the Camry is not claiming to be a sporty car, and no one here is claiming that either.
But the fact that its lighter than the "sports coupe" Eclipse is embarassing.

Yes, but these auto shifting Camry drivers are using their own personal "expertise" to declare it front heavy, slow, etc despite what the people who have actually driven the car (the reviewers) have said. If the reviewers say that despite its size it feels nimble and fun, what's the problem? We already know that it performs.

Does that make sense to you?

 

[SilentZero]

I still don't see why people who want a sports car would spend 23k on a car like this when a STi or EVO can be had for 6-7k more. I mean if your spending the money in the first place..why not just save a little more and get a car that would qualify as a sports car in its stock form instead of one that only partially qualifies? And if the reason is financial (which is certainly understandable), then I can see the alure, however there are still plenty of cars out there with equivalent specs that can be had for the same price (WRX for one). As far as the car goes, I do like what they did with the engine and the interior is much improved, however the body styling is crap IMHO, but hey whatever floats your boat.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: computeerrgghh
I never knew that Americans wanted cars that look like someone took a shovel and smashed in part of the bumper/hood...

Have you even driven the car, let alone been in one that you are defending it to the death?

Have any of these guys ever driven the car, let alone been in the one that they're criticizing?

We have people driving CAMRYs criticizing it's performance.

If you've noticed, I haven't made any replies to those who just commented on how the car looks.

But the Camry is not claiming to be a sporty car, and no one here is claiming that either.
But the fact that its lighter than the "sports coupe" Eclipse is embarassing.

Yes, but these auto shifting Camry drivers are using their own personal "expertise" to declare it front heavy, slow, etc despite what the people who have actually driven the car (the reviewers) have said. If the reviewers say that despite its size it feels nimble and fun, what's the problem? We already know that it performs.

Does that make sense to you?

Yes, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it is:

1. FWD
2. Too heavy
3. Too front heavy

Imagine how much better balanced (and better overall) it would be if it were lighter and the weight were better distributed.

 

[phantom309]

Ridiculous, bulbous 90s styling, FWD and a three-year-old WRX will beat it. It'd better be awfully cheap.

 

[LikeLinus]

TuffGuy,

First problem is your reading a review from club4geclipse.com. Enough said.

Let us know what Car and Driver and MotorTrend have to say later.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
TuffGuy,

First problem is your reading a review from club4geclipse.com. Enough said.

Let us know what Car and Driver and MotorTrend have to say later.

It's a Road & Track review.

My pecking order for those mags goes like this:

Car & Driver > Road & Track > Motor Trend

Although they all pretty much play second fiddle to a few less "corporate" car magazines out there.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: psteng19
Yes, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it is:

1. FWD
2. Too heavy
3. Too front heavy

Imagine how much better balanced (and better overall) it would be if it were lighter and the weight were better distributed.

Yet despite all of that, it still drives well. What's your point? From the Road & Track and Edmunds reviews:

Despite its size, weight, and torque steer, it's nimble, fun, shines in everyday spirited driving, it's one of the most comfortable sports coupes on the market, delivers a remarkably smooth ride, a quiet cockpit, and superb front seats.

Are we supposed to believe your "expert opinions" in spite of what the reviewers who actually drove the car said?

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: SilentZero
I still don't see why people who want a sports car would spend 23k on a car like this when a STi or EVO can be had for 6-7k more. I mean if your spending the money in the first place..why not just save a little more and get a car that would qualify as a sports car in its stock form instead of one that only partially qualifies? And if the reason is financial (which is certainly understandable), then I can see the alure, however there are still plenty of cars out there with equivalent specs that can be had for the same price (WRX for one). As far as the car goes, I do like what they did with the engine and the interior is much improved, however the body styling is crap IMHO, but hey whatever floats your boat.

Quite a few reasons:

1) The Eclipse GT starts at $23k, the Evo at $31k. Factor in tax, insurance. You can probably get discounts on the Eclipse, which would make it even cheaper. And it comes with more options stock.
2) The Evo is harsh and barebones. The Eclipse is supposed to be one of the most comfortable sports coupes on the market.
3) Deep down, the Evo is still a 4-door sedan, so it doesn't have a universal sex appeal, especially since it's so hardcore.

The Eclipse if for the masses, the Evo/WRX/STi are for the hardcore.

 

[shoRunner]

i'll stick will my $1500 '90 SHO. Looks about as good.

 

[dawheat]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: psteng19
Yes, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it is:

1. FWD
2. Too heavy
3. Too front heavy

Imagine how much better balanced (and better overall) it would be if it were lighter and the weight were better distributed.

Yet despite all of that, it still drives well. What's your point? From the Road & Track and Edmunds reviews:

Despite its size, weight, and torque steer, it's nimble, fun, shines in everyday spirited driving, it's one of the most comfortable sports coupes on the market, delivers a remarkably smooth ride, a quiet cockpit, and superb front seats.

Are we supposed to believe your "expert opinions" in spite of what the reviewers who actually drove the car said?

From the review it seems like a mediocre attempt by Mitsu- for a brand new model it doesn't take the lead in its segment, though it sounds to be much more competent than its predecessor. However you'd expect a brand new model from say Honda or Nissian to raise the bar in its segment (or like Mitsu did with the Evo 8 and MR).

Cons: weight (no suspension tuning can change the laws of physics), average gearbox, average brakes, lots of body roll, tourqe steer

Pros: loads of power and tourqe for its segment, quiet, comfortable

IMO as far as handling is concerned, sounds like faint praise: "Like a GT car... meaning we enjoyed taking it up the mountain road, but it wouldnt be our weapon of choice for that battle. It shines in more normal everyday spirited driving, the kind you would do on the way to work, running errands and taking weekend trips on highways or winding two lanes; track days are out."

W/ today's competition, having a car that is enjoyable to drive in everyday driving seems more like the minimum to expect in any new sports coupe.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: dawheat
W/ today's competition, having a car that is enjoyable to drive in everyday driving seems more like the minimum to expect in any new sports coupe.

Unfortunately, it's one that is not often met. The competition is usually torqueless, high-revving, and lets a lot of exterior noise in. Wind noise, road noise, engine, you name it. When trying to merge into traffic and for driving around, torque is an extremely welcome aide.

I agree with you on the GT car comment. But it seems like that's what the general American public (non boy racers) wants, since the 3rd gen V6 sold waaaay better than the 1st and 2nd gen turbos. There's something to be said about a car that's smooth and not frantic.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

If they offered it as AWD with a turbo or supercharged V6, I wouldn't mind it...and keep the weight to below 3500 too...and that weight distribution needs to be evened out too. Damn Galant platform! I don't understand it - if they can make the Evo, why can't they get the Eclipse right.

 

[LikeLinus]

I think the lines that sums it up best is

"Okay, so the new Eclipse isnt the sports car we hoped it would be."

"So is this the second coming of the Eclipse? In a word, no."

Eh, it's still a small chick car that they are trying to make cool. It's not a real sports car and it's just a desperate attempt by Mitsu to try and generate sales because they were almost out of business (saved by a 4 billion dollar gift).

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

How in the hell have they managed to build a small 2-door coupe, built to Mitsubishi standards (i.e., lacking all the wacky electronic doodads present in, say, a Mercedes SL) that weighs 3570 pounds?

That's 400 pounds more than my midsize 2001 Nissan Maxima - ay, chihuahua!!!