Robert Muelleur team members indicate Bill Barr's summary of their report is not reflective of the actual results

[Fanatical Meat]

There is stupid and there is STUPID. Every news outlet in the country has been talking about this report for the last two years. There isn't a week goes by without someone talking about the walls closing in on Trump, about this being the beginning of the end. This is the most anticipated document of the last twenty five years, and everyone that had anything to do with it's creation is a phone call away.
There is absolutely no way to misrepresent the information and get away with it. To attempt it is ignorance bordering on retardation. No one with a job is that stupid.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. The President has lived a privileged life, he surrounds himself with yes men & women, been proven time after time. I can easily imagine this being another example. We'll find out over time. There is no possible way the report remains private.

Just this week we have this:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/difficult-new-security-questions-surround-trumps-mar-lago

A Chinese citizen who tried to enter President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club Saturday carrying a thumb drive containing malicious software is being charged federally with lying to a Secret Service officer and having knowingly entered a restricted building.

When Yujing Zhang attempted to enter the club in Palm Beach, Florida, she was stopped by Secret Service agents at a security checkpoint, according to court documents.

She showed two Chinese passports with her name and photograph to the agents, who then took her to Mar-a-Lago security to see if she was a member of the club.

Mar-a-Lago allowed Zhang to enter, according to the documents, because part of her name matched that of a member of the club. Zhang gave a nondefinitive answer when asked if that member was her father, according to the court documents, and was admitted by the club “due to a potential language barrier issue.” She was taken by shuttle to a second checkpoint.

A receptionist at Mar A Largo thought this woman was suspicious, the woman gained access to the property. Mar a Largo is a business and wants to keep its clients happy, which is fine however Government security should not be run to keep clients happy.

Then this winner for a Cabinet pick:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/pending-trump-cabinet-nominee-faces-series-awkward-questions

A previously unreleased invoice indicates that David Bernhardt, President Trump’s choice to lead the Interior Department, continued to lobby for a major client several months after he filed official papers saying that he had ended his lobbying activities.

The bill for Mr. Bernhardt’s services, dated March 2017 and labeled “Federal Lobbying,” shows, along with other documents, Mr. Bernhardt working closely with the Westlands Water District as late as April 2017, the month Mr. Trump nominated him to his current job, deputy interior secretary. In November 2016, Mr. Bernhardt had filed legal notice with the federal government formally ending his status as lobbyist.

The dude has a enormous list of conflict of interests, heard it could likely be the longest list ever.

 

[hal2kilo]

You are overlooking the fact that Barr was one of the most gung ho members of the Bill Clinton hummer investigation and (at the time) strongly advocated going after Clinton hammer and tong.

In my view, Barr is either (a) a late convert to the Presidential imperial type immunity or (b) is a blatant political hack. You decide.

I vote political hack.

 

[SMOGZINN]

It's stupid beyond comprehension.

That is a fairly concise description of the Trump Administration in general.

There is absolutely no way to misrepresent the information and get away with it. To attempt it is ignorance bordering on retardation. No one with a job is that stupid.

There is a way to get away with it, and I for one think they might very well pull it off.
They can strategically redact the report to remove anything that would contradict them, and claim a combination of national security and executive privilege to get away with it. The President is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified information, so he can literally classify anything he wants for any reason he sees fit and no one can say anything about it. That is at least partially what the security clearance scandal going on is about, Trump stepped in to grant security clearance to people that the experts don't think should have it, he can do the same thing with information. Now consider how that interfaces with Barr saying that they are going to redact the report to remove classified information.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

AG office response to the matter.

 

[VRAMdemon]

AG office response to the matter.

The "Barr Report" buys two to three weeks for the talking points to set in..

Even if the truth and facts do ultimately come out, the Barr whitewash concrete will have set and nothing will erode or dislodge it.

 

[interchange]

I think Barr was always going to operate in damage control mode until whatever comes out of his office hit Congress and/or the public. Unless it was crystal clear that Trump should be charged with a crime, he was never going to release anything more than his summary of findings, and I'm not sure that there's even such a bar to be crossed given Barr's respect for the office and long-standing DOJ opinion that a sitting President can't face criminal charges.

Thus, I see his choice as one trying to avoid Constitutional crisis completely except as executed by the will of Congress.

I also think he is someone who is quite conservative in his desire to protect classified information. Thus, his redactions may materially affect the overall appreciation of the evidence laid out by Mueller even by a neutral reader. At the very least, it will leave many people wholly unsatisfied that Barr did not change the report in important ways, perhaps with explicit intent.

Regardless, unless Barr's summary is actually a good reflection of the underlying contents toward the findings he states, I think his choice is a very hazardous one. Barr seems to be someone who respects Congress to impartially execute their duty to evaluate the behavior of the President for possible impeachment. I think that is a laughable appreciation of how Congress has proven to function over the last several years. And the way to hold them accountable to their duty is for the will of the citizens to do so. If Barr participates in restricting information from the hands of the public to influence Congress to do their duty, he acts as an accomplice in their failure to do so. He should not hide by separation of powers. That structure demands checks and balances to function appropriately lest we be beset by corruption. Allowing the public to hold Congress accountable is acting within the framework of the Constitution and I would consider an appropriately conservative action. A later release of the full Mueller report is no remedy for the ammunition already provided by his summary of findings.

 

[zinfamous]

There is stupid and there is STUPID. Every news outlet in the country has been talking about this report for the last two years. There isn't a week goes by without someone talking about the walls closing in on Trump, about this being the beginning of the end. This is the most anticipated document of the last twenty five years, and everyone that had anything to do with it's creation is a phone call away.
There is absolutely no way to misrepresent the information and get away with it. To attempt it is ignorance bordering on retardation. No one with a job is that stupid.

It seems that Barr is trying to argue against the notion that Trump and his family were active agents, working for Russia in full knowledge, instead of the more generally agreed-upon theory, based on the evidence that is well-known, that they were likely retarded agents (As the CIA calls it), acting on behalf of Russia but essentially against their own knowledge for the most part. (like several of the assets that are exploited in the Americans show)

Barr is basically arguing against a position that few were actively supporting, to run cover for the position that most agreed on based on what is known. This doesn't, in any way, make things any better for Trump. In some ways, it makes them far worse. It's blatant incompetence (and indifference, really) on top of a serious threat to our country.

 

[zinfamous]

The "Barr Report" buys two to three weeks for the talking points to set in..

Even if the truth and facts do ultimately come out, the Barr whitewash concrete will have set and nothing will erode or dislodge it.

That is exactly the plan.

 

[hal2kilo]

It seems that Barr is trying to argue against the notion that Trump and his family were active agents, working for Russia in full knowledge, instead of the more generally agreed-upon theory, based on the evidence that is well-known, that they were likely retarded agents (As the CIA calls it), acting on behalf of Russia but essentially against their own knowledge for the most part. (like several of the assets that are exploited in the Americans show)

Barr is basically arguing against a position that few were actively supporting, to run cover for the position that most agreed on based on what is known. This doesn't, in any way, make things any better for Trump. In some ways, it makes them far worse. It's blatant incompetence (and indifference, really) on top of a serious threat to our country.

Exactly, amen.

 

[blankslate]

AG office response to the matter.

So Unless Barr is completely lying Mueller is working with Barr to decide which parts of the report get release to the public....

Sadly that means despite the leak's by members of his investigative team that Mueller might not believe as they do that Barr misrepresented his report....


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[HomerJS]

It seems that Barr is trying to argue against the notion that Trump and his family were active agents, working for Russia in full knowledge, instead of the more generally agreed-upon theory, based on the evidence that is well-known, that they were likely retarded agents (As the CIA calls it), acting on behalf of Russia but essentially against their own knowledge for the most part. (like several of the assets that are exploited in the Americans show)

Barr is basically arguing against a position that few were actively supporting, to run cover for the position that most agreed on based on what is known. This doesn't, in any way, make things any better for Trump. In some ways, it makes them far worse. It's blatant incompetence (and indifference, really) on top of a serious threat to our country.

I don't see how anyone can claim "against their knowledge" when FBI warned him about Russia shortly after he became the nominee
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...-received-ignored-and-apparently-forgot-about

 

[SMOGZINN]

So Unless Barr is completely lying Mueller is working with Barr to decide which parts of the report get release to the public....

Sadly that means despite the leak's by members of his investigative team that Mueller might not believe as they do that Barr misrepresented his report....

I don't see how that follows. Barr is in essence Mueller's boss, and Mueller has been many times described as a person that will do his duty no matter how unpleasant he finds it.

Almost everyone at some point of another has had to just shut up and do what the boss says, no matter how much we might disagree with it. As long as Mueller does not see what Barr is doing as actually illegal then I'm sure he will do his job, and then answer the questions Congress puts to him honestly when he gets his chance.

 

[timmyishere]

it is just more titty baby leftist tears. You all all a bunch of wasted air.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

it is just more titty baby leftist tears. You all all a bunch of wasted air.

Legit first post from an account created days ago.

 

[Commodus]

it is just more titty baby leftist tears. You all all a bunch of wasted air.

Says the person whose first post is a vacuous, childish troll.

I can already tell you hate accountability and integrity in government, though.

 

[JSt0rm]

it is just more titty baby leftist tears. You all all a bunch of wasted air.

feel better now?

 

[hal2kilo]

Mueller Team foolishly thought at least their summaries would have been in the Barr report.

Sadly, Mueller's team did their report in good faith, expecting it to be reported in good faith.

 

[timmyishere]

feel better now?

why yes, yes i do. thanks. on with the show.......

 

[trenchfoot]

I can totally agree with the premise that the Trump Clan being in the White House is very much like the Jed Clampett Clan being in Beverly Hills with the difference being (of course) that the Trump Clan is driven by greed in the most extreme sense of the word. Well, in that regard it actually makes the Trumps in a sorry ass class all their own, although being as witless as the Clampetts in their new surroundings still stands. That Donald has those numerous personality disorders simply exacerbates the whole very dangerous situation that clan has put us in. IMO, it's the adults working in the background that's actually keeping the nation from the effects of Donald's daily fvck-up's.

That the Trump Clan saw themselves in the middle of a gold mine with nothing to stop them from wheelbarrowing all of it out of there is one thing, yet the fact that they put their own greed ahead of the nation's security and the welfare of its people is the proverbial straw that's going to break the nation's back.

Their arrogance, their affluenza, their crippling ignorance of properly running our gov't is one thing. However, when those nasty habits of theirs puts the nation's security and welfare in jeopardy like they have done, well, that's gotta end, the sooner the better.

Oh, and screw anyone who thinks Trump is actually doing a great job of MAGA. Wake the fvck up already.

 

[timmyishere]

I can totally agree with the premise that the Trump Clan being in the White House is very much like the Jed Clampett Clan being in Beverly Hills with the difference being (of course) that the Trump Clan is driven by greed in the most extreme sense of the word. Well, in that regard it actually makes the Trumps in a sorry ass class all their own, although being as witless as the Clampetts in their new surroundings still stands. That Donald has those numerous personality disorders simply exacerbates the whole very dangerous situation that clan has put us in. IMO, it's the adults working in the background that's actually keeping the nation from the effects of Donald's daily fvck-up's.

That the Trump Clan saw themselves in the middle of a gold mine with nothing to stop them from wheelbarrowing all of it out of there is one thing, yet the fact that they put their own greed ahead of the nation's security and the welfare of its people is the proverbial straw that's going to break the nation's back.

Their arrogance, their affluenza, their crippling ignorance of properly running our gov't is one thing. However, when those nasty habits of theirs puts the nation's security and welfare in jeopardy like they have done, well, that's gotta end, the sooner the better.

Oh, and screw anyone who thinks Trump is actually doing a great job of MAGA. Wake the fvck up already.

trump is doing a fine job. he is trying to rid of us the evil the dems created. baby killing, illegals pouring into the country. my pay keeps increasing under trump as it feel under usama the llama.

 

[Stryke1983]

Well there's another troll for the ignore list. Well, I assume it's a troll. Otherwise they'd have to be unbelievably stupid. Which I suppose is possible, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's deliberately trying to look stupid. Either way, no point wasting anymore time with him.

 

[timmyishere]

Well there's another troll for the ignore list. Well, I assume it's a troll. Otherwise they'd have to be unbelievably stupid. Which I suppose is possible, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's deliberately trying to look stupid. Either way, no point wasting anymore time with him.

 

[Paratus]

trump is doing a fine job. he is trying to rid of us the evil the dems created. baby killing, illegals pouring into the country. my pay keeps increasing under trump as it feel under usama the llama.

You “feel under usama the llama”? Son animal husbandry doesn’t mean what you think it means.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't see how anyone can claim "against their knowledge" when FBI warned him about Russia shortly after he became the nominee
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...-received-ignored-and-apparently-forgot-about

I think it's fair to claim that just talking to some Russians, even with the prior-warning that he was being targeted, is a defensible claim for ignorance. If agents are working a retarded asset, like the Trump family, they aren't going to explicitly address the policy that Russia wants to enforce, much less the type of information that they want.

It's why the "meeting about abortions" in Trump tower is so important. Yes, they could have just been talking about abortions, and this is what Jr and Trump understood. What the Russians wanted, however, because it is what "abortions" is about, is the repeal of the Magnistsky Act. So, in such cases, you have a common discussion about a thing, where the party that wants the thing doesn't have to divulge the policy behind the thing they want, because the surface conversation is a separate thing, easy to understand. The other party has no idea what is really going on because, well, they are just fucking ignorant.


.....that being said, the reality of this event isn't a perfect example because we actually know that Jr, Manafort, and Kushner (and almost certainly Trump on the phone) were there to exchange an object of value with a foreign aggressor in order to influence the election. It really doesn't matter what else they discussed, or the result of the discussion, they still knowingly committed a crime against the US by holding the meeting.

 

[hal2kilo]

Well there's another troll for the ignore list. Well, I assume it's a troll. Otherwise they'd have to be unbelievably stupid. Which I suppose is possible, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's deliberately trying to look stupid. Either way, no point wasting anymore time with him.

Yep.