Yep. All you'd need is a ball-end hex key set.Why can't everything just be hex...
Unless you meant (non-socket) hex cap, in which case I'd say you're not seeing the whole picture.
Yep. All you'd need is a ball-end hex key set.Why can't everything just be hex...
Yep. All you'd need is a ball-end hex key set.
Unless you meant (non-socket) hex cap, in which case I'd say you're not seeing the whole picture.
Yep. All you'd need is a ball-end hex key set.
Unless you meant (non-socket) hex cap, in which case I'd say you're not seeing the whole picture.
Button head socket cap screwEdit: Oh yeah! And I have *NEVER* seen a screw with a hex head (only bolts). I wonder: why?
https://www.google.com/search?site=...mg.PuiQMLsQbcE&q=Button head socket cap screwButton head socket cap screw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw#Differentiation_between_bolt_and_screwhttps://www.google.com/search?site=...mg.PuiQMLsQbcE&q=Button head socket cap screw
Paged down and down and down...
...every one for several pages is a BOLT (not a "screw").
Why would I assume that when you say "screw" that you must be talking about only self-tapping screws? I still don't understand the point you're trying to make, but a counter to your argument about building a wood shelf is that you can simply use a threaded insert like a T-nut, hurricane nut, or helicoil (whatever). Bam - no nut needed.If you didn't understand that I was saying you can't just get "button head socket cap screws" for applications that are undeniably screws (drywall, wood, self-tapping, etc), then I'm glad I must assert my superior comprehension skills and lord them over you. It's clear by your definition that ANY bolt can be a screw and, thus, you ignored my "only bolts" distinguishing factor. I was only that I had never seen button head socket cap screws that would not also be used as bolts. I could not use the ones as shown for building wooden shelves without counter-sinking nuts and drilling pilot holes, which would make them screws used as bolts by any definition.
In your defense, after scrolling down more and more and more I did finally see a tapered button head socket cap screw (implies it doesn't require a tapped/threaded hole/anchor).
Why would I assume that when you say "screw" that you must be talking about only self-tapping screws?
Edit: Oh yeah! And I have *NEVER* seen a screw with a hex head (only bolts). I wonder: why?
I dunno. That's why I wondered. What makes the socket/head type unsuitable or unpopular for wood,* drywall,* or self-tapping* screws?So, how come you have never seen one?
You're being specific in the worst way. You're providing constraints without also divulging information about those constraints. On top of that, you seem to be getting quite agitated that we're not on the same wavelength. Forsooth, wouldst thy breakfast cereal be grievously besmirched with the waste of another?I dunno. That's why I wondered. What makes the socket/head type unsuitable or unpopular for wood,* drywall,* or self-tapping* screws?
*thanks for making me be NEEDLESSLY SPECIFIC, Howard.
I guess that's shitty fasteners for you. I've never stripped a SHCS (that wasn't seized) as long as I was using the right bit.Allen head screws and bolts suck in general because they do not provide for a tapered interface between the screw head and the driver bit. It takes longer to insert the driver bit or wrench and you can't push harder on the bit and get it to engage better like with a philips or square drive. Also they rely completely on a small surface area of material that is easily stripped away, unlike torx or similar. An allen heads shape is already nearly round to begin with.
I use allen head wood screws in furniture and cabinetry when I make something that may need to be occasionally disassembled, like a bed frame or furniture assembled inside a closet. They look pretty nice, almost everyone has the wrench, and they are a little easier to tighten for the typical homeowner.
I've actually twisted the head off a cap screw... shank failed before the hex drive. Stuck is stuck sometimes.
My agitation was clearly facetious as was my deliberately wordy defense. Yet another example of my superior comprehension skills. Do you want another example? Fine. When you asked how hard I had looked, I had already explained exactly as hard as I had looked: Google image search, page down, page down, page down, ... until I finally saw one (every bit as elusive as I had described/expected). Now I will mock you in my dreams. Goodnight, sir!You're being specific in the worst way. You're providing constraints without also divulging information about those constraints. On top of that, you seem to be getting quite agitated that we're not on the same wavelength. Forsooth, wouldst thy breakfast cereal be grievously besmirched with the waste of another?
In any case, I would guess that a Phillips or flat head is cheaper to produce than a socket hex head. Or maybe it's a catch-22 situation with pricing and availability of power bits.
My agitation was clearly facetious as was my deliberately wordy defense. Yet another example of my superior comprehension skills. Do you want another example? Fine. When you asked how hard I had looked, I had already explained exactly as hard as I had looked: Google image search, page down, page down, page down, ... until I finally saw one (every bit as elusive as I had described/expected). Now I will mock you in my dreams. Goodnight, sir!
Wow, only on Anandtech would a thread about screws degenerate to this shit.
Congrats boys. You must be so proud.
I've used plenty of allen head wood screws. I'm sure something about it excludes it from whatever it is that is going on in this thread though.
No. I'm saying that you don't see hex socket cap screws and bits for other purposes, like construction, so they can't "all" be hex like some of us were pining for.What the hell are you on about?
Are you trying to argue that lag bolts and hex head self-tapping screws don't exist? No matter what point you're attemping to make, you fail. The former 'bolt' has course threads for driving into wood. The latter can be had with finer machine threads.
I'm asking why you never see them for these other purposes. You can't go to the hardware store and come home with them for your construction project of choice. You simply never see them used for applications that aren't already threaded or tapped, which makes them uncommon in construction. Regardless of the head, I've never seen a drill bit that could drive a hex screw, for example. The only ones I've ever seen with tapered tips were headless set screws where the taper did not come to a point and was not for self-tapping.Or are you talking about internal/female hex fasteners, which are also observable in any variety of threaded application?
Or are you just asking why external hex heads aren't used as drywall or wood screws (as in, things where you would want a flush head)?
Anyone who could follow a quote tree:Who could know.
I was just agreeing with the sentiment and bemoaning the obvious lack of hex screw applications and tools. How it could not be obvious to everyone who's ever looked in a hardware aisle is confusing to me. There are plenty of hex screws/bolts but only for threaded applications. There are plenty of Torx/star "screws" for both threaded and non-threaded applications. Hell, the packs of them my mother buys for her wood construction projects come with the drill bit.Why can't everything just be hex...
Yeah, but I was never really talking about the head. The only reason I continually said "button cap" was to demonstrate availability with Howard's own specific example to show how limited the applications were.One thing possibly worth pointing out is why lags and similar aren't used in more applications where it doesn't matter if the head portrudes: they need a washer to not bite into the surface. And washers aren't made into the head like on many modern fasteners found on cars and other various kinds of machinery (more costly to make). Lack of a washer also makes it harder to drive lots of them in quickly, and seperate washers will fall off and otherwise be fumbled around while doing such.
Yep. All you'd need is a ball-end hex key set.
Unless you meant (non-socket) hex cap, in which case I'd say you're not seeing the whole picture.
4 angles of access vs 6. If the application allows for sockets, it doesn't matter since most socket wrenches are 60- or 72- teeth (as little as 5 degrees of rotation required) but if not, space may be limited.But why is hex better than Robertson? I would far prefer everything be Robertson.