ROCK STABLE! 1800mhz (15x120x1.750v.) P4's aint so bad!!!!!

[Sunner]

I smell jealousy in the air...

 

[Zucchini]

Hans,

Get a clue, that setup is still slower. Do you aspire to always to be limited to budget items? Its the same way a civic isn't as good as a bmw. You can complain all you want about how the civic gets way more bang for the buck, but that doesn't change anything.

 

[Dulanic]

fkloster dont tell me to turn my brain on when you somehow misunderstood me talking about a chipset for talking about mounting brakets... not sure where the hell you got that from.




<< << I would never buy a P4 at this time..... its WAY too expensive right now, no software is SSE2 optimized yet >>


Everybody said that when MMX came out, P2, P3, etc. >>



And it was a valid arguement... why buy the CPU now for 900 bucks when in 4 months it will be 300. Fortunetely AMD doesnt do this with new CPUs... Athlon wasnt extremelly expensive at first, nor is Palomino supposed to be.




<< << And the person who talked about Overclocking is right, everyone goes by the % OCed. Someone taking a 400Mhz CPU and making it run 800 is doing a major OC while 20% isnt that great. >>


Your right- I would rather have a 400Mhz CPU o/c to 800 because my o/c % is higher than going from 1.5 to 1.8Ghz. >>



No need to answer this we already agree



<< << Well have fun playing Quake 3 at 640x480 thats about all that system is good for right now. >>


And what is your system good for right now? >>



I misworded this... I meant about all it is good for OVER the Athlon or PIII is Q3 at 640x480 at this time.... that may change in the future but it is true now.




<< << and if you ever want to upgrade you have to buy a new MB since they are phasing out the current P4 chipset once the .13 micron P4 comes along >>


And if you ever want to upgrade your system, won't you have to get a new MB. Or does yours support 1.5Ghz and above with DDR. >>




The point is I can toss in a 1.2Ghz Palomino when it comes out, and then 3 months later if I feel like it upgrade to a DDR 133FSB M-Board.... Socket A will be around for a while, the P4 socket wont.




<< << Wow what a waste of cash.... I would never buy a P4 at this time..... its WAY too expensive right now >>


Relative to your income. You could say that about any piece of hardware. >>



Not really... any other upgrade has real uses and advantages at this time.... AT THIS time the P4 offers no real advantages over a 1.2 Athlon for half the price.

 

[Noriaki]

Did you only pay $600?? that's pretty good...I musta missed that somewhere in there.

A little more than I'd personally like to pay, but we aren't all as budget limited as me. That's pretty damn sweet really

(obviously someone has a little to much money to spend on his computer, two 10,000rpm and an F500, you sir make me sick heheheh good show on the system)

 

[Noriaki]

Did you only pay $600?? that's pretty good...I musta missed that somewhere in there.

A little more than I'd personally like to pay, but we aren't all as budget limited as me. That's pretty damn sweet really

(obviously someone has a little to much money to spend on his computer, two 10,000rpm and an F500, you sir make me sick heheheh good show on the upgrade)

 

[fkloster]

$600 + some nifty in house trading to a guy I work with. I lucked out...

 

[Stringy]

Dulantic


<< The point is I can toss in a 1.2Ghz Palomino when it comes out, and then 3 months later if I feel like it upgrade to a DDR 133FSB M-Board.... Socket A will be around for a while, the P4 socket wont. >>


Well the key word is WHEN... And you don't know what the Palomino will really do or require, as it isn't released, and even if there is some Pre-Release spec's avalible [I don't follow unreleased chips] you haven't a clue as to what it's successors will require...
You're assuming the SocketA will be around for awhile... there maybe needed changes... the crystal ball is cloudy...


<< I misworded this... I meant about all it is good for OVER the Athlon or PIII is Q3 at 640x480 at this time.... that may change in the future but it is true now. >>


Well this assumes all you play is games... I suspect this machine will do some real work time to time, and a 1.8Ghz machine will help Graphic Artist's, Database work, and Code compiling... So there are advantages of having a P4 clocked this high...
Now making the arguement that an AMD of equal or near equally clock would be a better alternative is a good arguement, IF the CPU's were avalible... Hell we're still waiting for DDR to fully Roll out, and to tell you, RDR is the SAME price as DDR at the moment, kinda scary...

This may not be a system you'd buy... I certainly have other things to spend on other than a P4, with as you mentioned has some short comings in the future scheme of things... But it is a nice upgrade and O/C for the money....



opinions by....
Craig

 

[fkloster]

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[Dug]

Dulanic-


<< Your right- I would rather have a 400Mhz CPU o/c to 800 because my o/c % is higher than going from 1.5 to 1.8Ghz. >>


That was sarcasm.


<< why buy the CPU now for 900 bucks when in 4 months it will be 300 >>


Because he can use it now! Myself, I'm going to pick up that 266Mhz chip because it's finally dropped down in price. (More sarcasm)


<< The point is I can toss in a 1.2Ghz Palomino when it comes out, and then 3 months later if I feel like it upgrade to a DDR 133FSB M-Board.... Socket A will be around for a while, the P4 socket wont >>


And how much do you think you are going to spend with these incremental upgrades? And how long until you reach 1.8Ghz? The point is- he spent $600 and he has 1.8Ghz now.

 

[Syborg1211]

<< I misworded this... I meant about all it is good for OVER the Athlon or PIII is Q3 at 640x480 at this time.... that may change in the future but it is true now. >>



Dulanic- Excuse me, perhaps the 1.2 ghz athlon is faster than the P4 1.5ghz in some cases, BUT what about the 1.8 ghz? Oh wait, they are not out or even tested yet(besides by fkloster). Unless you have some benchmarks proving your seemingly AMD zealot-like comment, then we will just assume that the extra 300 mhz did the trick since I have seen benches from a 1.7 ghz p4 and I believe it was beating the athlon, although I am not sure of that.. I forgot..

 

[formulav8]

The sad thing is that you need to clock the P4 that high to equal the speed of a 1ghz athlon or P3. The P4's blow in my opinion. Overpriced and way way underpowered. They will sell the P4 because of mhz. Thats all that most of the public looks at.

 

[Dulanic]

<< Dulanic- Excuse me, perhaps the 1.2 ghz athlon is faster than the P4 1.5ghz in some cases, BUT what about the 1.8 ghz? Oh wait, they are not out or even tested yet(besides by fkloster). Unless you have some benchmarks proving your seemingly AMD zealot-like comment, then we will just assume that the extra 300 mhz did the trick since I have seen benches from a 1.7 ghz p4 and I believe it was beating the athlon, although I am not sure of that.. I forgot.. >>



Check Toms reviews... he had a P4 1.7X Ghz that was OCed in his bench marks..... I forgot the exact speed but it was 1.7X. As for being a AMD zealot... no Im not total anti-Intel the P3 is a good chip just a tad overpriced, but the P4 is so overpriced its not funny.



<< Well the key word is WHEN... And you don't know what the Palomino will really do or require, as it isn't released, and even if there is some Pre-Release spec's avalible [I don't follow unreleased chips] you haven't a clue as to what it's successors will require... >>



Actually thats the one thing most people are sure of is that Palomino for sure will use Socket A and thoroughbreed (I cant spell that) will also. Actually Palomino using it is for sure, as for the next one that I wont attempt to spell again there is about a 95% chance it will use Socket A also according to what everyone has said. As for Intel you KNOW for a fact that they are switching sockets in 6-9 months.



<< Well this assumes all you play is games... I suspect this machine will do some real work time to time, and a 1.8Ghz machine will help Graphic Artist's, Database work, and Code compiling... So there are advantages of having a P4 clocked this high... >>



What you mention is mostly FPU intensive... as of right now that kind of software is not SSE2 optimizied and without SSE2 P4 has a very poor FPU performance so no it wouldnt be great for graphic artists etc.... my point over and over is at this time P4 is not worth the money because the slower chips do nearly everything just as fast... and remeber this is NOT a 1.8Ghz and remeber buisness don't usually OC their machines.



<< And how much do you think you are going to spend with these incremental upgrades? And how long until you reach 1.8Ghz? The point is- he spent $600 and he has 1.8Ghz now. >>



And again you miss my point.... at this point in time his 1.8Ghz will barely out perform a 1.2Ghz Athlon in most applications and be worse in some. How long until I hit 1.8? I dont care because the 1.5 Palomino is gonna kill a 1.8 P4 for sure if a 1.2 T-Bird beats a 1.7 P4 in most things. And the 1.5Ghz Palomino might easily hit 2Ghz but we dont know yet, it might not either.

Remeber my whole point was AT THIS TIME P4 is not worth it any way you look at it.... it beats a 1.2Ghz Athlon in very few things. If/when we see software being SSE2 optimizied the story may be different but that isnt the case right now.

 

[Dulanic]

fkloster did you also ever think for less money you could have run a Dual P3 1Ghz and that would kill the P4 in everything if you ran Win2K?

 

[fkloster]

I'm a gamer. I prefer Win9x... Dulanic, if you respect my opinions &amp; choices, I will respect yours. Lets leave it @ that...

The key for me is my belief that the P4's 20 stage pipeline coupled with reworked &amp; superior branch prediction &amp; double pumped math units will be the test. So far so good...

 

[ragiepew]

fkloster:

I dont really like Intel (due to their business practices, not their chips persay) but I have to admint, thats a mighty sytem you have. As someone who repsects more than just clockspeed... your F500R and dual scsi 10k drives really impress me far more the insainly high clockspeed of the p4. I have a G400 sony monitor and I must say that I was really droooooling over the F500R when i saw it... damn sweet. Anyway, quite a nice system, and if it does everything you want it to, forget what the bashers are saying... its more than just clockspeed anyway and I would argue that you have all the bases covered w/ your system... more than most on this board can say...

 

[chrisconnolly]

F500R is nice.. doens't compare to the widescreen GDM-FW900 24&quot; though.

 

[TravisBickle]

I'm not surprised Fkloster is pleased- he just found a good use for that RAMBUS which was kind of a turkey with a PIII, and now it kicks ass with P4.
Still, you wouldn't catch me buying one.
My PIII700 is plenty good enough.

 

[ragiepew]

ahh forgot about the 24&quot; f900... let me whipe the drool off the keyboard....

 

[Wingznut]

&quot;...due to their business practices&quot;

What's wrong with Intel's business practices?

 

[Syborg1211]

Yea, I find it complete and utter brilliance how Intel is sucking in the computer illiterate people to think that Intel is the best and only cpu maker out there. Just because Intel joinned with Rambus and got screwed, it was not their fault that the company Rambus was being stupid and greedy and suing everyone.

 

[kyoshozx]

Nice system fkloster. Whats your fps in q3 now? 500fps? =P j/k


Dulanic
Actually thats the one thing most people are sure of is that Palomino for sure will use Socket A and thoroughbreed (I cant spell that) will also. Actually Palomino using it is for sure, as for the next one that I wont attempt to spell again there is about a 95% chance it will use Socket A also according to what everyone has said. As for Intel you KNOW for a fact that they are switching sockets in 6-9 months.
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Even though future athlon will be based on socket A that doesn't always guarantee that current generation of mb will run them correctly. There might be other issues, a great example of this is if you looked at older bx boards, some of them weren't compatible with the coppermine cpu because of voltage issues. So just because a future processor will physically fit into a motherboard that doesnt' always mean the mb will support it.