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Aharami

Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
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From what I've seen, lifted truck drivers are the douchiest drivers on the road. Also it's a little disconcerting to know that if one were to rear end me, there isn't much stopping his bumper from crushing my head.
 

AdamK47

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
15,459
3,141
136
SUVs like this are the most unfun way of burning insane amounts of fuel. Their good at hauling things and taking the kids to soccer practice, but there are far more efficient ways of doing both. I'm glad these monstrosities are dying.

Even at stock ride height the bumper on one of those is at windshield level in the C6. There is no surviving an impact agaist one. If I stop behind one at a light in traffic there is no way for the driver to see me. I completly disappear behind them.
 

DivideBYZero

Lifer
May 18, 2001
24,117
2
0
Originally posted by: exdeath

...communist society...guns...global warming emotional impulses...black guys in jail...unhealthy obsession with safety...


Britain would be a good place to live if you want a society sedated with political correctness and safety where perceived safety trumps common sense and individual liberty and responsibility. Cops with nerf bats and no authority to hurt or offend anyone unless they are shot to death work so well.

I clipped your rant. I found your responses to people not liking lifted SUVs interesting.

However, with regard to your second 'point', as you have never been to Britain I would poilitely suggest you are talking out of your 'free' ass.

Now, if you'll excuse me I'll be off to take my afternoon sedative.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
83,769
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Originally posted by: AdamK47
SUVs like this are the most unfun way of burning insane amounts of fuel. Their good at hauling things and taking the kids to soccer practice, but there are far more efficient ways of doing both. I'm glad these monstrosities are dying.

Even at stock ride height the bumper on one of those is at windshield level in the C6. There is no surviving an impact agaist one. If I stop behind one at a light in traffic there is no way for the driver to see me. I completly disappear behind them.

In their defense they should have a bumper drop as well as you are not required to get right up behind them. I hang back...follow the if you can't see their mirror rule.

That said many drive these things just to intimidate. They ride peoples asses and 'pretend' to reverse at lights. Down here occasionally 2-3 will get abreast and just slow traffic down.

I have sent a few 'off road' where they belong. The worse was this asshat flying up behind me about 1am with no lights hitting all his light rack up at the last minute and then slowing way down. The third time I cut my lights waited for it and then threshold braked.

If my timing was bad I could have been pretty screwed...instead he panicked and went spinning into a field. I stopped to watch and I swear it felt like 10 minutes he was throwing dirt and grass in the air.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

I clipped your rant. I found your responses to people not liking lifted SUVs interesting.

However, with regard to your second 'point', as you have never been to Britain I would poilitely suggest you are talking out of your 'free' ass.

Now, if you'll excuse me I'll be off to take my afternoon sedative.

Why does one have to be there to see the laws they have? You can see their busted up grilles if they smile and you are on the observation deck of the Empire State Building looking east.
 

DivideBYZero

Lifer
May 18, 2001
24,117
2
0
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

I clipped your rant. I found your responses to people not liking lifted SUVs interesting.

However, with regard to your second 'point', as you have never been to Britain I would poilitely suggest you are talking out of your 'free' ass.

Now, if you'll excuse me I'll be off to take my afternoon sedative.

Why does one have to be there to see the laws they have? You can see their busted up grilles if they smile and you are on the observation deck of the Empire State Building looking east.

Quote me an example of said law you find restricting our freedom more than yours. Fact, not fiction, if you please. News stories with annecdotal evidence do not count.

PS: Gun ownership != Freedom.
 

kalrith

Diamond Member
Aug 22, 2005
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Here's an interesting article on this subject.

Excerpt:

By the time Riley Franks finished modifying his King Cab Nissan pickup, it rode 13 inches higher than when it rolled off the assembly line. He raised the suspension, made a few other adjustments, and slapped 35-inch tires on it. To Riley, the rig "looked cool."

But Jim Hoebeck paid for that cool look with his life. A father of four, Hoebeck was driving with his family back in June 2001 when Franks's pickup ran a red light in Escondido, Calif., and slammed into the driver's side of Hoebeck's Jeep Grand Cherokee. Hoebeck, 41, was killed instantly. "The extreme lift added to the severity of the accident," says Doug Sams, a police officer who investigated the crash. "It was obvious to anyone."
 

thomsbrain

Lifer
Dec 4, 2001
18,148
1
0
I just smile because I know they're getting 5 MPG, and I can blow their fucking doors off and still get 30. People spend outrageous amounts of money on those big SUVs and the modifications, and I just have to laugh because they could be driving a BMW or Corvette, but instead they have to tip-toe around every corner and they cut themselves on the Fiesta-grade plastics every time they clamber up into their big phallus.

It's worth noting that you rarely see an old pickup or SUV with a lift kit. Hint: that's because they don't survive long before getting totaled.
 

thecoolnessrune

Diamond Member
Jun 8, 2005
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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
I just smile because I know they're getting 5 MPG, and I can blow their fucking doors off and still get 30. People spend outrageous amounts of money on those big SUVs and the modifications, and I just have to laugh because they could be driving a BMW or Corvette, but instead they have to tip-toe around every corner and they cut themselves on the Fiesta-grade plastics every time they clamber up into their big phallus.

It's worth noting that you rarely see an old pickup or SUV with a lift kit. Hint: that's because they don't survive long before getting totaled.

I find laughs too.. But not at lift kits on trucks. But when people insist on coming back here on dirt roads after rains with Civics, Accords, Tauruses, and Camrys... It's laughable because some actually try it. In a matter of seconds they're on the side of the road or completely stuck. A lifted truck and a fast car do two different things. I don't expect a lifted truck to do 10 seconds in the quarter mile just as I dont expect a fast car to go over anything that isn't paved over and leveled (I can't be the only one who's seen the atrocity that is watching a small car go over a large speed bump).

To expect anything more out of either class is ignorance at its best. I don't know why people are stupid enough to really believe that their car is actually better because it's faster than a truck.. When an Accord can tow 8,000 lbs and (in the case of a lifted truck) drive through a river stream, get back to me. Just because other people like doing different things, doesn't mean they should be criticized for it.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
83,769
19
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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Quote me an example of said law you find restricting our freedom more than yours. Fact, not fiction, if you please. News stories with annecdotal evidence do not count.

PS: Gun ownership != Freedom.

The brainwashing is complete on you. There is nothing I could state to change your opinion.

You realize this is a stopgap to prevent another revolutionary war right?
 

jagec

Lifer
Apr 30, 2004
24,442
6
81
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
I find laughs too.. But not at lift kits on trucks. But when people insist on coming back here on dirt roads after rains with Civics, Accords, Tauruses, and Camrys... It's laughable because some actually try it. In a matter of seconds they're on the side of the road or completely stuck.

Then they're bad drivers. You'd be shocked and amazed how far a car can get you over dirt/mud/gravel if you know what you're doing.

Obviously trucks are better for really rough stuff and are also more idiot-proof, but most American drivers are real pussies off-road. I can't tell you how many times I've flown past an SUV gingerly picking their way down a gravel road at 10 MPH in my old Celica.

Just look at most rally courses...the driver is MUCH more of a factor than the vehicle.

Oh, and:
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
hen an Accord can tow 8,000 lbs and (in the case of a lifted truck) drive through a river stream, get back to me. Just because other people like doing different things, doesn't mean they should be criticized for it.

Most of the hatred for lifted trucks is NOT directed against people who actually off-road them. It's against the urban dwellers who perform these extreme mods for purely cosmetic benefit (often omitting some of the basic REQUIREMENTS for an actual off-road vehicle), and then never leave the pavement.
 

krunchykrome

Lifer
Dec 28, 2003
13,413
1
0
Originally posted by: jtvang125
WTF is this monstrosity? Ok, maybe you need something with a little more room but why do you need it 10 ft high? You can't even see a full size adult standing in front and can't see anything at all out the back.

And have fun filling that 40 gal tank when diesal is almost $5 here.


*Note: I'm not bashing SUVs nor do I have a problem with them. I just think they become impractical when you start lifting them this high.

Some people like those lifted SUVs. Just like some people like 10 year old luxury cars with chrome rims.
 

olds

Elite Member
Mar 3, 2000
50,069
730
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I like my truck high so if you low riders run into me the suspension on my truck takes the impact as you go under me. I am safe up on my perch.
 

AdamK47

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
15,459
3,141
136
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
I just smile because I know they're getting 5 MPG, and I can blow their fucking doors off and still get 30. People spend outrageous amounts of money on those big SUVs and the modifications, and I just have to laugh because they could be driving a BMW or Corvette, but instead they have to tip-toe around every corner and they cut themselves on the Fiesta-grade plastics every time they clamber up into their big phallus.

It's worth noting that you rarely see an old pickup or SUV with a lift kit. Hint: that's because they don't survive long before getting totaled.

I find laughs too.. But not at lift kits on trucks. But when people insist on coming back here on dirt roads after rains with Civics, Accords, Tauruses, and Camrys... It's laughable because some actually try it. In a matter of seconds they're on the side of the road or completely stuck. A lifted truck and a fast car do two different things. I don't expect a lifted truck to do 10 seconds in the quarter mile just as I dont expect a fast car to go over anything that isn't paved over and leveled (I can't be the only one who's seen the atrocity that is watching a small car go over a large speed bump).

To expect anything more out of either class is ignorance at its best. I don't know why people are stupid enough to really believe that their car is actually better because it's faster than a truck.. When an Accord can tow 8,000 lbs and (in the case of a lifted truck) drive through a river stream, get back to me. Just because other people like doing different things, doesn't mean they should be criticized for it.

I'm confused. You say fast and then you use Accord, Camry, Civic, and Taurus as examples.

 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
83,769
19
81
Originally posted by: AdamK47
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
I just smile because I know they're getting 5 MPG, and I can blow their fucking doors off and still get 30. People spend outrageous amounts of money on those big SUVs and the modifications, and I just have to laugh because they could be driving a BMW or Corvette, but instead they have to tip-toe around every corner and they cut themselves on the Fiesta-grade plastics every time they clamber up into their big phallus.

It's worth noting that you rarely see an old pickup or SUV with a lift kit. Hint: that's because they don't survive long before getting totaled.

I find laughs too.. But not at lift kits on trucks. But when people insist on coming back here on dirt roads after rains with Civics, Accords, Tauruses, and Camrys... It's laughable because some actually try it. In a matter of seconds they're on the side of the road or completely stuck. A lifted truck and a fast car do two different things. I don't expect a lifted truck to do 10 seconds in the quarter mile just as I dont expect a fast car to go over anything that isn't paved over and leveled (I can't be the only one who's seen the atrocity that is watching a small car go over a large speed bump).

To expect anything more out of either class is ignorance at its best. I don't know why people are stupid enough to really believe that their car is actually better because it's faster than a truck.. When an Accord can tow 8,000 lbs and (in the case of a lifted truck) drive through a river stream, get back to me. Just because other people like doing different things, doesn't mean they should be criticized for it.

I'm confused. You say fast and then you use Accord, Camry, Civic, and Taurus as examples.

I am confused that he doesn't understand the rally type cars which are very fast and don't need paved roads. *edit* jagec beat me to this point.

This is sort of truck mentality. If people cannot get to their homes during just rainstorms, things will usually be rectified.

 

thecoolnessrune

Diamond Member
Jun 8, 2005
9,671
580
126
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: AdamK47
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
I just smile because I know they're getting 5 MPG, and I can blow their fucking doors off and still get 30. People spend outrageous amounts of money on those big SUVs and the modifications, and I just have to laugh because they could be driving a BMW or Corvette, but instead they have to tip-toe around every corner and they cut themselves on the Fiesta-grade plastics every time they clamber up into their big phallus.

It's worth noting that you rarely see an old pickup or SUV with a lift kit. Hint: that's because they don't survive long before getting totaled.

I find laughs too.. But not at lift kits on trucks. But when people insist on coming back here on dirt roads after rains with Civics, Accords, Tauruses, and Camrys... It's laughable because some actually try it. In a matter of seconds they're on the side of the road or completely stuck. A lifted truck and a fast car do two different things. I don't expect a lifted truck to do 10 seconds in the quarter mile just as I dont expect a fast car to go over anything that isn't paved over and leveled (I can't be the only one who's seen the atrocity that is watching a small car go over a large speed bump).

To expect anything more out of either class is ignorance at its best. I don't know why people are stupid enough to really believe that their car is actually better because it's faster than a truck.. When an Accord can tow 8,000 lbs and (in the case of a lifted truck) drive through a river stream, get back to me. Just because other people like doing different things, doesn't mean they should be criticized for it.

I'm confused. You say fast and then you use Accord, Camry, Civic, and Taurus as examples.

I am confused that he doesn't understand the rally type cars which are very fast and don't need paved roads. *edit* jagec beat me to this point.

This is sort of truck mentality. If people cannot get to their homes during just rainstorms, things will usually be rectified.

To the first point I was giving average cars that everyone drives around. I could have brought up Corvettes and other low slung cars, but those usually perform worse in mud than normal cars

As for rally cars alchy, of course i know those. Those aren't stock cars that you can buy off a dealer lot though now are they? The only vehicles I know from personal experience that has been able to hand in the territories of SUVs and trucks is the Subaru Foresters and WRX's. Though I understand that the Forester tends to be called an SUV by some.

And you should bold usually. I said dirt road.. How many dirt roads do you know within city limits? We are 30 miles from the nearest city. It takes 15-20 minutes just to get an ambulance out here and that's assuming he doesn't get lost (which unfortunately has happened on several occasions ) As for maintenance, the most we get is a pass from the road grader about 3-4 days after the storm has passed. They have to wait for the water to recede. It's only about upper calf deep, but the soft mud under it causes most cars to stick since its Georgia Clay (which if you've ever touched know that when wet that its as sticky as gum while being as slippery on the surface as an oil slick.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
83,769
19
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Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

To the first point I was giving average cars that everyone drives around. I could have brought up Corvettes and other low slung cars, but those usually perform worse in mud than normal cars

As for rally cars alchy, of course i know those. Those aren't stock cars that you can buy off a dealer lot though now are they? The only vehicles I know from personal experience that has been able to hand in the territories of SUVs and trucks is the Subaru Foresters and WRX's. Though I understand that the Forester tends to be called an SUV by some.

And you should bold usually. I said dirt road.. How many dirt roads do you know within city limits? We are 30 miles from the nearest city. It takes 15-20 minutes just to get an ambulance out here and that's assuming he doesn't get lost (which unfortunately has happened on several occasions ) As for maintenance, the most we get is a pass from the road grader about 3-4 days after the storm has passed. They have to wait for the water to recede. It's only about upper calf deep, but the soft mud under it causes most cars to stick since its Georgia Clay (which if you've ever touched know that when wet that its as sticky as gum while being as slippery on the surface as an oil slick.

We are talking jacked up trucks, not normal cars though...

Try not to comment on cars, in every attempt like your L&R posts it's clear you are speaking from what you think things would be/should be and not what they really are.

WRX and Forester are not the only cars out there. Go google some more.
 

thecoolnessrune

Diamond Member
Jun 8, 2005
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580
126
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

To the first point I was giving average cars that everyone drives around. I could have brought up Corvettes and other low slung cars, but those usually perform worse in mud than normal cars

As for rally cars alchy, of course i know those. Those aren't stock cars that you can buy off a dealer lot though now are they? The only vehicles I know from personal experience that has been able to hand in the territories of SUVs and trucks is the Subaru Foresters and WRX's. Though I understand that the Forester tends to be called an SUV by some.

And you should bold usually. I said dirt road.. How many dirt roads do you know within city limits? We are 30 miles from the nearest city. It takes 15-20 minutes just to get an ambulance out here and that's assuming he doesn't get lost (which unfortunately has happened on several occasions ) As for maintenance, the most we get is a pass from the road grader about 3-4 days after the storm has passed. They have to wait for the water to recede. It's only about upper calf deep, but the soft mud under it causes most cars to stick since its Georgia Clay (which if you've ever touched know that when wet that its as sticky as gum while being as slippery on the surface as an oil slick.

We are talking jacked up trucks, not normal cars though...

Try not to comment on cars, in every attempt like your L&R posts it's clear you are speaking from what you think things would be/should be and not what they really are.

WRX and Forester are not the only cars out there. Go google some more.

Geez, its so early in the morning and you're already so confused? What was this topic about? It was about the ridiculousness of jacked up trucks and how they pose a threat to cars. You are the one who is quote "speaking from what you think things would be/should be and not what they really are."

Think about it, jacked up trucks are everywhere. Do you see any rally cars in the same percentage? I don't. Again, you're taking things that could be, but that's not what they really are. Jacked up trucks on our public roads exist. Rally cars on our public roads, at least in the United States, do not. So I made a perfectly reasonable comparison. But that's kinda hard for you to swallow isn't it

And is your vision blurry? Did you not see these little words here? "The only vehicles I know from personal experience that has been able to hand in the territories of SUVs and trucks..." Of course you did. Cause you're never wrong, you just get a little ditzy right? Of course other vehicles exist out there. But I'm not rich, neither or there *that* many dealerships around my area. But the vast majority of car and car-like vehicles simply can't handle mud terrain. Not stock anyways. A truck or SUV can. A jacked up truck can obviously go far beyond anything else save purpose built vehicles such as the Hummer Alpha.

I'm in full agreeance that's its rather senseless for people to jack up their trucks when they aren't offroading. But at the same time I'm thankful we live in a country where we can. If someone wants to do that? Fine, doesn't bother m. I've seen trucks run by me that completely eclipse my Expedition. But that's fine with me. I'm going to give him all the space he needs and I'm going to stay at least 2 car lengths behind him. Nothing wrong with giving him space. I'd expect the same when I have to tow my 16ft. trailer behind me now and again.
 

shocksyde

Diamond Member
Jun 16, 2001
5,539
0
0
Originally posted by: MegaVovaN
He gave you ride and you bash his car? You gonna fuckin walk next time. Prick.

Here, take this pill. It un-bunches panties.
 

Throckmorton

Lifer
Aug 23, 2007
16,829
3
0
People are morons. A vehicle like that serves no purpose. He's obviously not a true offroader otherwise a) he wouldn't have bought an Excursion and b) he wouldn't have put on an enormous lift. And that's a good thing-- If idiots like that actually did wheel their monstrosities, every Jeep trail would be closed down due to ecological damage caused by the "yeee haww" effect.

I got a lift installed on my Jeep this morning
 

Throckmorton

Lifer
Aug 23, 2007
16,829
3
0
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
I just smile because I know they're getting 5 MPG, and I can blow their fucking doors off and still get 30. People spend outrageous amounts of money on those big SUVs and the modifications, and I just have to laugh because they could be driving a BMW or Corvette, but instead they have to tip-toe around every corner and they cut themselves on the Fiesta-grade plastics every time they clamber up into their big phallus.

It's worth noting that you rarely see an old pickup or SUV with a lift kit. Hint: that's because they don't survive long before getting totaled.

I find laughs too.. But not at lift kits on trucks. But when people insist on coming back here on dirt roads after rains with Civics, Accords, Tauruses, and Camrys... It's laughable because some actually try it. In a matter of seconds they're on the side of the road or completely stuck. A lifted truck and a fast car do two different things. I don't expect a lifted truck to do 10 seconds in the quarter mile just as I dont expect a fast car to go over anything that isn't paved over and leveled (I can't be the only one who's seen the atrocity that is watching a small car go over a large speed bump).

To expect anything more out of either class is ignorance at its best. I don't know why people are stupid enough to really believe that their car is actually better because it's faster than a truck.. When an Accord can tow 8,000 lbs and (in the case of a lifted truck) drive through a river stream, get back to me. Just because other people like doing different things, doesn't mean they should be criticized for it.

A 10ft high full size truck doesn't do anything well, except waste fuel, kill people, and go through mud pits.
 

thecoolnessrune

Diamond Member
Jun 8, 2005
9,671
580
126
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
I just smile because I know they're getting 5 MPG, and I can blow their fucking doors off and still get 30. People spend outrageous amounts of money on those big SUVs and the modifications, and I just have to laugh because they could be driving a BMW or Corvette, but instead they have to tip-toe around every corner and they cut themselves on the Fiesta-grade plastics every time they clamber up into their big phallus.

It's worth noting that you rarely see an old pickup or SUV with a lift kit. Hint: that's because they don't survive long before getting totaled.

I find laughs too.. But not at lift kits on trucks. But when people insist on coming back here on dirt roads after rains with Civics, Accords, Tauruses, and Camrys... It's laughable because some actually try it. In a matter of seconds they're on the side of the road or completely stuck. A lifted truck and a fast car do two different things. I don't expect a lifted truck to do 10 seconds in the quarter mile just as I dont expect a fast car to go over anything that isn't paved over and leveled (I can't be the only one who's seen the atrocity that is watching a small car go over a large speed bump).

To expect anything more out of either class is ignorance at its best. I don't know why people are stupid enough to really believe that their car is actually better because it's faster than a truck.. When an Accord can tow 8,000 lbs and (in the case of a lifted truck) drive through a river stream, get back to me. Just because other people like doing different things, doesn't mean they should be criticized for it.

A 10ft high full size truck doesn't do anything well, except waste fuel, kill people, and go through mud pits.

That one aspect right there makes it worthwhile to me.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,523
898
126
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
I just smile because I know they're getting 5 MPG, and I can blow their fucking doors off and still get 30. People spend outrageous amounts of money on those big SUVs and the modifications, and I just have to laugh because they could be driving a BMW or Corvette, but instead they have to tip-toe around every corner and they cut themselves on the Fiesta-grade plastics every time they clamber up into their big phallus.

It's worth noting that you rarely see an old pickup or SUV with a lift kit. Hint: that's because they don't survive long before getting totaled.

I find laughs too.. But not at lift kits on trucks. But when people insist on coming back here on dirt roads after rains with Civics, Accords, Tauruses, and Camrys... It's laughable because some actually try it. In a matter of seconds they're on the side of the road or completely stuck. A lifted truck and a fast car do two different things. I don't expect a lifted truck to do 10 seconds in the quarter mile just as I dont expect a fast car to go over anything that isn't paved over and leveled (I can't be the only one who's seen the atrocity that is watching a small car go over a large speed bump).

To expect anything more out of either class is ignorance at its best. I don't know why people are stupid enough to really believe that their car is actually better because it's faster than a truck.. When an Accord can tow 8,000 lbs and (in the case of a lifted truck) drive through a river stream, get back to me. Just because other people like doing different things, doesn't mean they should be criticized for it.

A 10ft high full size truck doesn't do anything well, except waste fuel, kill people, and go through mud pits.

That one aspect right there makes it worthwhile to me.

And useless to the other 99.9% of people who own them.
 
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