Rode in coworker's ford excursion

jtvang125

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Nov 10, 2004
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WTF is this monstrosity? Ok, maybe you need something with a little more room but why do you need it 10 ft high? You can't even see a full size adult standing in front and can't see anything at all out the back.

And have fun filling that 40 gal tank when diesal is almost $5 here.


*Note: I'm not bashing SUVs nor do I have a problem with them. I just think they become impractical when you start lifting them this high.
 

fbrdphreak

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Apr 17, 2004
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Is your coworker a 90lb blonde who drives 2mph over railroad tracks in a vehicle designed to invade small countries?
 

thecoolnessrune

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When we needed to rent a large vehicle to move a large boat as well as move 12 people for a vacation a friend's Excursion was terrific. Had a lot more power than a van (was towing a three axle boat) and the 12 people. 0-60 was still atrocious, but it was awfully fun to hear that diesel roar (4x4 7.3L diesel with Banks power kit and a 6" exhaust).
 

exdeath

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Jan 29, 2004
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Here we go again with "why do you need x" whiners again.

I thought this was a free market and not a communist society? Why should someone have to justify their needs to you or only buy things that you deem practical or necessary? Can one in the USA not buy things with his own income because he simply wants them?

What if they just want it and enjoy it?

Hate and be disgusted all you want, just live and let live.

I personally don't care for SUVs, and I agree some of the things people do to their cars are absolutely stupid.

But the fundamental principle here is whether or not people are free to pursue their own life, liberty, and happiness, and that applies to guns, SUVs, plasma TVs that nobody "needs", etc, as long as they aren't stealing or killing or otherwise depriving someone else the ability to pursue the same.
 

Beau

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Jun 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: exdeath
Here we go again with "why do you need x" whiners again.

I thought this was a free market and not a communist society? Why should someone have to justify their needs to you or only buy things that you deem practical or necessary? Can one in the USA not buy things with his own income because he simply wants them?

What if they just want it and enjoy it?

Hate and be disgusted all you want, just live and let live.

I personally don't care for SUVs, and I agree some of the things people do to their cars are absolutely stupid.

But the fundamental principle here is whether or not people are free to pursue their own life, liberty, and happiness, and that applies to guns, SUVs, plasma TVs that nobody "needs", etc, as long as they aren't stealing from you to get it.


It is a free market... But this is a matter of safety. If they can have a lift so high that they can't see the front of the vehicle, much less a short vehicle to their side and have tires that rip up roads that I pay for with my tax money, then I should goddamn well be able to take my governor off and drive recklessly fast.

Edit:

My complaint is the lack of clarity and/or lack of enforcement of these laws.
http://www.sporttruck.com/tech..._state_laws/index.html
 

exdeath

Lifer
Jan 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: exdeath
Here we go again with "why do you need x" whiners again.

I thought this was a free market and not a communist society? Why should someone have to justify their needs to you or only buy things that you deem practical or necessary? Can one in the USA not buy things with his own income because he simply wants them?

What if they just want it and enjoy it?

Hate and be disgusted all you want, just live and let live.

I personally don't care for SUVs, and I agree some of the things people do to their cars are absolutely stupid.

But the fundamental principle here is whether or not people are free to pursue their own life, liberty, and happiness, and that applies to guns, SUVs, plasma TVs that nobody "needs", etc, as long as they aren't stealing from you to get it.


It is a free market... But this is a matter of safety. If they can have a lift so high that they can't see the front of the vehicle, much less a short vehicle to their side and have tires that rip up roads that I pay for with my tax money, then I should goddamn well be able to take my governor off and drive recklessly fast.

When all else fails prey on the safety or global warming emotional impulses...

Lets just declare everything unsafe and lock everyone up in padded vaults from the moment they are born, it's for their own safety.

If he hits another vehicle or person, thats what insurance and lawyers are for. You handle it on a case by case basis, not with blanket bans that affect law abiding citizens who are harming nobody. If he kills someone, you jail him for manslaughter and failure to control his vehicle... hey actually that doesn't matter if you are in a lifted SUV or a lowered Honda Civic, how about that? Until then, he is doing absolutely nothing but offending your personal sense of cosmetic taste. It's already unlawful to run someone over. Pedestrians already have right of way. Why do you feel so strongly we need more laws?

We don't preemptively intrude on the individual liberty and free will of 300 million people on the basis of something that MIGHT happen or something that one person does. So a lifted SUV rolled and killed someone, lets ban all SUVs and/or lift kits. On person out of 100 million goes and shoots up a school, lets take away everyone elses guns. One black guy robbed a bank, lets throw all black guys in jail. Get the picture? You might not like SUVs, but there are 300,000,000 other inhabitants of this country who have their own personal likes and dislikes, should we have laws banning each of the things they hate? Maybe one of them my be something near and dear to your hobbies and interests.

What is with this unhealthy obsession with safety above all else in our society? How many things are we going to restrict, ban, prohibit, etc, in the guise of safety safety safety? Human bodies moving at 55 mph are inherently not safe. TVs and computers emit electromagnetic radiation and are not safe. Heavy objects are not safe. Sharp objects are not safe. Houses painted anything other than beige distract drivers and are not safe... mining for the things you consume is not safe... construction is not safe...

Britain would be a good place to live if you want a society sedated with political correctness and safety where perceived safety trumps common sense and individual liberty and responsibility. Cops with nerf bats and no authority to hurt or offend anyone unless they are shot to death work so well.

As for me, I like being able to buy and use guns, buy fast cars and/or modify them (including lift kits if I was into that sort of thing), waste as much gas as I can afford, or buy as big a TV as I can afford, paint my house any color I like, eat whatever healthy or unhealthy foods I choose, or generally do whatever I want. Coming from an atheist; God bless America.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: exdeath
Here we go again with "why do you need x" whiners again.

I thought this was a free market and not a communist society? Why should someone have to justify their needs to you or only buy things that you deem practical or necessary? Can one in the USA not buy things with his own income because he simply wants them?

What if they just want it and enjoy it?

Hate and be disgusted all you want, just live and let live.

I personally don't care for SUVs, and I agree some of the things people do to their cars are absolutely stupid.

But the fundamental principle here is whether or not people are free to pursue their own life, liberty, and happiness, and that applies to guns, SUVs, plasma TVs that nobody "needs", etc, as long as they aren't stealing from you to get it.


It is a free market... But this is a matter of safety. If they can have a lift so high that they can't see the front of the vehicle, much less a short vehicle to their side and have tires that rip up roads that I pay for with my tax money, then I should goddamn well be able to take my governor off and drive recklessly fast.

When all else fails prey on the safety or global warming emotional impulses...

Lets just declare everything unsafe and lock everyone up in padded vaults from the moment they are born, it's for their own safety.

If he hits another vehicle or person, thats what insurance and lawyers are for. You handle it on a case by case basis, not with blanket bans that affect law abiding citizens who are harming nobody. If he kills someone, you jail him for manslaughter and failure to control his vehicle... hey actually that doesn't matter if you are in a lifted SUV or a lowered Honda Civic, how about that? Until then, he is doing absolutely nothing but offending your personal sense of cosmetic taste. It's already unlawful to run someone over. Pedestrians already have right of way. Why do you feel so strongly we need more laws?

We don't preemptively intrude on the individual liberty and free will of 300 million people on the basis of something that MIGHT happen or something that one person does. So a lifted SUV rolled and killed someone, lets ban all SUVs and/or lift kits. On person out of 100 million goes and shoots up a school, lets take away everyone elses guns. One black guy robbed a bank, lets throw all black guys in jail. Get the picture? You might not like SUVs, but there are 300,000,000 other inhabitants of this country who have their own personal likes and dislikes, should we have laws banning each of the things they hate? Maybe one of them my be something near and dear to your hobbies and interests.

What is with this unhealthy obsession with safety above all else in our society? How many things are we going to restrict, ban, prohibit, etc, in the guise of safety safety safety? Human bodies moving at 55 mph are inherently not safe. TVs and computers emit electromagnetic radiation and are not safe. Heavy objects are not safe. Sharp objects are not safe. Houses painted anything other than beige distract drivers and are not safe... mining for the things you consume is not safe... construction is not safe...

Britain would be a good place to live if you want a society sedated with political correctness and safety where perceived safety trumps common sense and individual liberty and responsibility. Cops with nerf bats and no authority to hurt or offend anyone unless they are shot to death work so well.

As for me, I like being able to buy and use guns, buy fast cars and/or modify them (including lift kits if I was into that sort of thing), waste as much gas as I can afford, or buy as big a TV as I can afford, paint my house any color I like, eat whatever healthy or unhealthy foods I choose, or generally do whatever I want. Coming from an atheist; God bless America.

You don't have a right to endanger the rest of us. Trucks and suvs with extreme lifts are extremely dangerous to anyone driving a normal car if involved in an accident. BTW-There are laws to limit how much you can raise a truck but they aren't enforced. I'd like to see that change.
 

owlface

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Someone who lifts a truck generally isn't smart enough to drop down the bumpers. I too wish the law was enforced.
 

jagec

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Apr 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: exdeath
When all else fails prey on the safety or global warming emotional impulses...

<a rambling rant>

So presumably you don't agree with standardized lights and signals, crash-testing, or lane markings either.

Lift your truck if you like. HOWEVER, there should be bumper height laws, and they should be enforced. I have postulated the creation of a lift kit which includes a removable or retractable bumper, allowing for safe bumper heights on-road and full ground clearance off-road. But of course that makes neither party happy, since it doesn't fully ban the "pointless" lofted trucks, and from the other side it doesn't give full rights to the "cool" custom trucks to flaunt the public good and drive something which has a MUCH higher chance of doing fatal damage to anything or anyone it hits, due to the lack of a simple and easy modification which allows the best of both worlds.
 

iamwiz82

Lifer
Jan 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: exdeath
When all else fails prey on the safety or global warming emotional impulses...

<a rambling rant>

So presumably you don't agree with standardized lights and signals, crash-testing, or lane markings either.

Lift your truck if you like. HOWEVER, there should be bumper height laws, and they should be enforced. I have postulated the creation of a lift kit which includes a removable or retractable bumper, allowing for safe bumper heights on-road and full ground clearance off-road. But of course that makes neither party happy, since it doesn't fully ban the "pointless" lofted trucks, and from the other side it doesn't give full rights to the "cool" custom trucks to flaunt the public good and drive something which has a MUCH higher chance of doing fatal damage to anything or anyone it hits, due to the lack of a simple and easy modification which allows the best of both worlds.

Lots of laws are not properly enforced.

Personally, I hear many more stories of deaths due to street racing versus lifted vehicles. And you can't say that the media wouldn't be all over a fatal accident involving a lifted truck.
 

PlasmaBomb

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Nov 19, 2004
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Originally posted by: exdeath

If he hits another vehicle or person, thats what insurance and lawyers are for.

You are assuming that the owner has declared the lift and the insurance company don't wipe their hands off the matter.

You handle it on a case by case basis, not with blanket bans that affect law abiding citizens who are harming nobody.

As stated there are laws governing lifts. If they have fitted massive lifts, breaking the law, they aren't law abiding citizens. They are merely law breaking citizens who are getting away with it...

(and I don't even live in the states).
 

jagec

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Apr 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: exdeath
When all else fails prey on the safety or global warming emotional impulses...

<a rambling rant>

So presumably you don't agree with standardized lights and signals, crash-testing, or lane markings either.

Lift your truck if you like. HOWEVER, there should be bumper height laws, and they should be enforced. I have postulated the creation of a lift kit which includes a removable or retractable bumper, allowing for safe bumper heights on-road and full ground clearance off-road. But of course that makes neither party happy, since it doesn't fully ban the "pointless" lofted trucks, and from the other side it doesn't give full rights to the "cool" custom trucks to flaunt the public good and drive something which has a MUCH higher chance of doing fatal damage to anything or anyone it hits, due to the lack of a simple and easy modification which allows the best of both worlds.

Lots of laws are not properly enforced.

Personally, I hear many more stories of deaths due to street racing versus lifted vehicles. And you can't say that the media wouldn't be all over a fatal accident involving a lifted truck.

Absolutely. I am willing to admit that the majority of my dislike for lifted trucks is personal preference, not legitimate safety concerns...however, if bumper height laws were on the books and enforced, I would be left with no reason to hate them besides general principles.

...Well, I suppose there's also the braking and and handling issues. But as long as you drive your lifted truck as if it's a lifted truck, and not a Ferrari, you should be fine.
 

Pacfanweb

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Jan 2, 2000
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Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: exdeath
Here we go again with "why do you need x" whiners again.

I thought this was a free market and not a communist society? Why should someone have to justify their needs to you or only buy things that you deem practical or necessary? Can one in the USA not buy things with his own income because he simply wants them?

What if they just want it and enjoy it?

Hate and be disgusted all you want, just live and let live.

I personally don't care for SUVs, and I agree some of the things people do to their cars are absolutely stupid.

But the fundamental principle here is whether or not people are free to pursue their own life, liberty, and happiness, and that applies to guns, SUVs, plasma TVs that nobody "needs", etc, as long as they aren't stealing from you to get it.


It is a free market... But this is a matter of safety. If they can have a lift so high that they can't see the front of the vehicle, much less a short vehicle to their side and have tires that rip up roads that I pay for with my tax money, then I should goddamn well be able to take my governor off and drive recklessly fast.

Edit:

My complaint is the lack of clarity and/or lack of enforcement of these laws.
http://www.sporttruck.com/tech..._state_laws/index.html
Sounds like the Excursion mentioned is well within the laws of California, where OP's profile says he is.
What you can do is dependent on the GVWR. If your truck weighs 4,500 pounds, the maximum frame height is 27 inches. It the GVWR is 4,501 to 7,500 pounds, it's 30 inches, and for 7,501- to 10,000-pounders, it's 31 inches.
I seriously doubt there's ANY lift kit that will get ANY size tire under there that will get the frame 31" off the ground.
 

iamwiz82

Lifer
Jan 10, 2001
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81
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: exdeath
Here we go again with "why do you need x" whiners again.

I thought this was a free market and not a communist society? Why should someone have to justify their needs to you or only buy things that you deem practical or necessary? Can one in the USA not buy things with his own income because he simply wants them?

What if they just want it and enjoy it?

Hate and be disgusted all you want, just live and let live.

I personally don't care for SUVs, and I agree some of the things people do to their cars are absolutely stupid.

But the fundamental principle here is whether or not people are free to pursue their own life, liberty, and happiness, and that applies to guns, SUVs, plasma TVs that nobody "needs", etc, as long as they aren't stealing from you to get it.


It is a free market... But this is a matter of safety. If they can have a lift so high that they can't see the front of the vehicle, much less a short vehicle to their side and have tires that rip up roads that I pay for with my tax money, then I should goddamn well be able to take my governor off and drive recklessly fast.

Edit:

My complaint is the lack of clarity and/or lack of enforcement of these laws.
http://www.sporttruck.com/tech..._state_laws/index.html
Sounds like the Excursion mentioned is well within the laws of California, where OP's profile says he is.
What you can do is dependent on the GVWR. If your truck weighs 4,500 pounds, the maximum frame height is 27 inches. It the GVWR is 4,501 to 7,500 pounds, it's 30 inches, and for 7,501- to 10,000-pounders, it's 31 inches.
I seriously doubt there's ANY lift kit that will get ANY size tire under there that will get the frame 31" off the ground.

Where there is a will, there is a way.
 

SparkyJJO

Lifer
May 16, 2002
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See what you do is lower your car more, so that you just go underneath them without them knowing
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: jtvang125
WTF is this monstrosity? Ok, maybe you need something with a little more room but why do you need it 10 ft high? You can't even see a full size adult standing in front and can't see anything at all out the back.

And have fun filling that 40 gal tank when diesal is almost $5 here.


*Note: I'm not bashing SUVs nor do I have a problem with them. I just think they become impractical when you start lifting them this high.

thinking another made up post.

However, someone with a tricked out excursion usually doesn't give a rat's ass about the price of gas.
 

Saga

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Feb 18, 2005
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Originally posted by: Beau
If they can have a lift so high that they can't see the front of the vehicle, much less a short vehicle to their side and have tires that rip up roads that I pay for with my tax money, then I should goddamn well be able to take my governor off and drive recklessly fast.

You can. It's called a programmer. If all you're looking to do is jack the governor and modify your tire rating you can probably by a cheap one for $200. For $450 you can get the works, which includes fuel remapping and spedo/tach modifications.


Originally posted by: owlface
Someone who lifts a truck generally isn't smart enough to drop down the bumpers. I too wish the law was enforced.

I'm glad it's not actually a law here, so I can keep it high and inflict more damage on the retard who hits me.
 

dawp

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Jul 2, 2005
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those redicules lift also make it easier for someone to sabotage the brake lines and cause trouble for the idiot owner.
 

iamwiz82

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Jan 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: dawp
those redicules lift also make it easier for someone to sabotage the brake lines and cause trouble for the idiot owner.

Congrats, that is the worst massacre of 'ridiculous' I have ever seen.
 
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