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nakedfrog

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If this doesn't convince people how truly the GOP actually is, then they are goners.
Things like this don't help any either, they can't even be arsed to vote in favor of finding/reporting on Neo-nazis in our military and police forces. Guess it makes sense, you gotta have those guys there when you install your fascist government.
 

eelw

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Republican AG says he'll investigate Indiana doctor who provided care to 10-year-old rape victim

Remember that 10 year old rape victim who had to travel out of state to get an abortion? Indiana AG has announced he will be investigating harassing doctor who performed abortion. So much for rape/incest exceptions to the law. The goal is and has always been to eliminate all abortions.

VOTE. Vote in 22, vote in 24, vote in every single election no matter how small it is, even if it's your local town/county/school election, VOTE!
Just to make it clear, the investigation is because the dr has yet to file a criminal report of the rape as reason to perform the abortion. They aren’t going after her just because she performed the abortion.
 
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pcgeek11

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Things like this don't help any either, they can't even be arsed to vote in favor of finding/reporting on Neo-nazis in our military and police forces. Guess it makes sense, you gotta have those guys there when you install your fascist government.


Sounds a lot like McCarthyism from the 40's and 50's except it's Nazi's and White Supremacists instead of Communist and Socialism.
 
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Sounds a lot like McCarthyism from the 40's and 50's except it's Nazi's and White Supremacists instead of Communist and Socialism.

Do you see any conflict of interest with Police Officers also being part of Oath Keepers?

 

fleshconsumed

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Just to make it clear, the investigation is because the dr has yet to file a criminal report of the rape as reason to perform the abortion. They aren’t going after her just because she performed the abortion.
It's harassment using technicality.
 
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nakedfrog

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Sounds a lot like McCarthyism from the 40's and 50's except it's Nazi's and White Supremacists instead of Communist and Socialism.
And it's targeted at the military and law enforcement, and there's actual evidence of this being a problem, with the FBI warning in 2006 (when GWB was President, if you'll recall) that it was an issue, and further information coming out about extremists in the military since then. Other than that, gosh, yeah, it sounds a lot like it.
 

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pcgeek11

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Do you see any conflict of interest with Police Officers also being part of Oath Keepers?


Why yes It could very well be a conflict of interest. But a nationwide witchhunt into the Military and Police seems to be edging into the McCarthyism realm. Digging in and publishing names of people "suspected" without due process seems extreme I.M.O.

I also see that police officer was cleared.
 
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fleshconsumed

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In case anybody is still confused about GOP agenda, get a hold of this...

Texas sues to block Biden from requiring doctors to provide abortions in medical emergencies

No exceptions for rape, no exceptions for incest, and now no exception for medical emergencies.

If you ever wondered how Iran went from women in miniskirts to hijabs, this is how. By ceding control to right wing extremists.

VOTE. Vote in 2022, vote in 2024, vote in every election no matter how small and insignificant it may seem to you, down all the way to county/town/school board level. VOTE!
 

pcgeek11

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In case anybody is still confused about GOP agenda, get a hold of this...

Texas sues to block Biden from requiring doctors to provide abortions in medical emergencies

No exceptions for rape, no exceptions for incest, and now no exception for medical emergencies.

If you ever wondered how Iran went from women in miniskirts to hijabs, this is how. By ceding control to right wing extremists.

VOTE. Vote in 2022, vote in 2024, vote in every election no matter how small and insignificant it may seem to you, down all the way to county/town/school board level. VOTE!


I personally think there should be exceptions for rape, Incest and Medical reasons. But the law that is going into effect in Texas doesn't ban abortions for medical emergencies.

From the article linked above.

Texas has another law, passed in 2021, that will go into effect in the coming weeks which makes performing an abortion a felony punishable by up to life in prison. The ban makes an exception if a licensed physician determines that the woman faces a life-threatening physical condition.
 

IronWing

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I personally think there should be exceptions for rape, Incest and Medical reasons. But the law that is going into effect in Texas doesn't ban abortions for medical emergencies.

From the article linked above.

Texas has another law, passed in 2021, that will go into effect in the coming weeks which makes performing an abortion a felony punishable by up to life in prison. The ban makes an exception if a licensed physician determines that the woman faces a life-threatening physical condition.
Again, under this law, doctors have to wait until a woman is just about to die before intervening. It's playing chicken with a patient's life to satisfy the misogyny of weak men.
 

Fenixgoon

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I personally think there should be exceptions for rape, Incest and Medical reasons. But the law that is going into effect in Texas doesn't ban abortions for medical emergencies.

From the article linked above.

Texas has another law, passed in 2021, that will go into effect in the coming weeks which makes performing an abortion a felony punishable by up to life in prison. The ban makes an exception if a licensed physician determines that the woman faces a life-threatening physical condition.
imagine how better life would be if we could take care of things before they became life-threatening problems in the first place.

you know, like how a vaccine is generally better at controlling a disease than treatment of said disease....
 

Paratus

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I personally think there should be exceptions for rape, Incest and Medical reasons. But the law that is going into effect in Texas doesn't ban abortions for medical emergencies.

From the article linked above.

Texas has another law, passed in 2021, that will go into effect in the coming weeks which makes performing an abortion a felony punishable by up to life in prison. The ban makes an exception if a licensed physician determines that the woman faces a life-threatening physical condition.
Here’s the issue with these laws.

What happens if the doctor is wrong about how life threatening the problem is? He’ll be investigated, lose his medical license and potential be criminally prosecuted.

He’ll need to wait until it’s obviously life threatening.

When doctors let potentially life threatening conditions persist sometimes the condition progresses so fast that they can’t stop it and the patient dies.

Now imagine it is your mother, or wife, or daughter, or grand daughter lying in a hospital bed waiting to get just close enough to death that the doctor can save them.

Will you pressure the doctor to treat them? If you do he might say medical indications are I should save your loved one but I must satisfy the politicians in Austin first.

Or would you tell your loved one that just for the infinitesimal chance the baby survives their death is a risk you’re willing to take.
 

ivwshane

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Why yes It could very well be a conflict of interest. But a nationwide witchhunt into the Military and Police seems to be edging into the McCarthyism realm. Digging in and publishing names of people "suspected" without due process seems extreme I.M.O.

I also see that police officer was cleared.

By all means expand on how the two are similar. How many Russian spies did McCarthy catch? How bad was the problem compared to right wing domestic terrorism?
 

pcgeek11

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imagine how better life would be if we could take care of things before they became life-threatening problems in the first place.

you know, like how a vaccine is generally better at controlling a disease than treatment of said disease....


Here’s the issue with these laws.

What happens if the doctor is wrong about how life threatening the problem is? He’ll be investigated, lose his medical license and potential be criminally prosecuted.

He’ll need to wait until it’s obviously life threatening.

When doctors let potentially life threatening conditions persist sometimes the condition progresses so fast that they can’t stop it and the patient dies.

Now imagine it is your mother, or wife, or daughter, or grand daughter lying in a hospital bed waiting to get just close enough to death that the doctor can save them.

Will you pressure the doctor to treat them? If you do he might say medical indications are I should save your loved one but I must satisfy the politicians in Austin first.

Or would you tell your loved one that just for the infinitesimal chance the baby survives their death is a risk you’re willing to take.


I'm not defending this action as I stated above there needs to be allowances for rape incest and medical needs. I was only pointing out that in the post of @fleshconsumed it is false that Texas law prohibits abortion for medical reasons which may be too strict ( I don't know), but the allowance is there.
 

Zorba

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I'm not defending this action as I stated above there needs to be allowances for rape incest and medical needs. I was only pointing out that in the post of @fleshconsumed it is false that Texas law prohibits abortion for medical reasons which may be too strict ( I don't know), but the allowance is there.
Yeah, I'm sure a lot of doctors are going to be willing to risk life in prison over a judgement call looked at in retrospect by the same type of people covering for the Uvlade police. Women are going to die in Texas due to the right wings need to punish women for having sex, and you appear to be fine with this. Except, for rape. So at least you don't believe women should face death for sex if they didn't choose it.
 

fskimospy

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Here’s the issue with these laws.

What happens if the doctor is wrong about how life threatening the problem is? He’ll be investigated, lose his medical license and potential be criminally prosecuted.

He’ll need to wait until it’s obviously life threatening.

When doctors let potentially life threatening conditions persist sometimes the condition progresses so fast that they can’t stop it and the patient dies.

Now imagine it is your mother, or wife, or daughter, or grand daughter lying in a hospital bed waiting to get just close enough to death that the doctor can save them.

Will you pressure the doctor to treat them? If you do he might say medical indications are I should save your loved one but I must satisfy the politicians in Austin first.

Or would you tell your loved one that just for the infinitesimal chance the baby survives their death is a risk you’re willing to take.
This is exactly the problem - doctors now need to decide when someone’s life is threatened with the knowledge that they could be sent to prison if someone decides otherwise a few years down the line. This will obviously lead to doctors erring very strongly on the side against the health of the woman.

The only, ONLY upside of this is really highlighting just how completely fucking crazy a lot of GOP elected officials are.
 

pcgeek11

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Yeah, I'm sure a lot of doctors are going to be willing to risk life in prison over a judgement call looked at in retrospect by the same type of people covering for the Uvlade police. Women are going to die in Texas due to the right wings need to punish women for having sex, and you appear to be fine with this. Except, for rape. So at least you don't believe women should face death for sex if they didn't choose it.


Agreed.

Congress need to get their collective heads removed from their assholes and solidify a law that we can live with. This should have been done prior to 1973. It isn't an easy subject to deal with and there are many strong thoughts /feelings on both sides.

They seemed to have reached too far in the Women’s Health Protection Act in the "practically" unlimited abortion on demand up until birth.

They (both sides) need to learn to compromise.
 
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Agreed.

Congress need to get their collective heads removed from their assholes and solidify a law that we can live with. This should have been done prior to 1973. It isn't an easy subject to deal with and there are many strong thoughts /feelings on both sides.

They seemed to have reached too far in the Women’s Health Protection Act in the "practically" unlimited abortion on demand up until birth.

They (both sides) need to learn to compromise.

That's such a disingenuous statement. It's not even a rounding error at that point.

 
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