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TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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The Democrats need to do something, anything. Starting to feel about the Republicans the way I felt about the Taliban taking over Afghanistan, at least they seem capable of holding Power.

Republicans embrace their Base, Democrats try to silence theirs. This is not going to end well if it continues. They already call you Commies, stop acting like actually doing something will harm you.
The Democratic base doesn't have the will, for a variety of reasons.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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The Democrats need to do something, anything. Starting to feel about the Republicans the way I felt about the Taliban taking over Afghanistan, at least they seem capable of holding Power.

Republicans embrace their Base, Democrats try to silence theirs. This is not going to end well if it continues. They already call you Commies, stop acting like actually doing something will harm you.

This somewhat papers over the structural problems with political power the US faces. That a minority can fairly consistently attain majorities in both houses and win the presidency is a problem that increasingly can't be "do something'd" out of. And even when we manage it the right stages a coup attempt. The current setup is untenable and will tip over sooner or later.
 

nOOky

Platinum Member
Aug 17, 2004
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The Democrats need to do something, anything. Starting to feel about the Republicans the way I felt about the Taliban taking over Afghanistan, at least they seem capable of holding Power.

Republicans embrace their Base, Democrats try to silence theirs. This is not going to end well if it continues. They already call you Commies, stop acting like actually doing something will harm you.

You wouldn't think in a real world Trump would ever have a chance again, but he does. You wouldn't think with control of the senate, house, and the presidency that Democrats would still be impotent. Right now gasoline, food, and everything else being hit by inflation and showing itself when average people go to the store is a huge deal. Many independents are going to change their vote imho if there is not a turn around of events.

Many people don't want student loan debt removed, they don't want to hear about further stimulus checks being handed out, and they don't want to hear about all of the "free" money that Democrats want to hand out. They are in favor of taxing the rich and paying down debt, and maintaining infrastructure, but those seem like hollow "wins" in the current political climate. Right now Biden has nothing he can crow about, no real victories in the eyes of the average American, only the prospect of throwing more free money at people.

The left needs to quit talking about guns, especially since it's not politically pertinent right now. Most people feel the pandemic is over etc. The stupid Democrats need to actually start working on the issues average people face throughout their day, not putting litter boxes in high schools for furries lol.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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But F the party as well who couldn't put up anyone else in the primary and lost it all.

Ultimately that defines Ds, no culture of winning. Get the most votes, still hold no power, but just look sad in response.
Culture of winning? What even is that? Treating politics like sports is why Americans vote like fucking morons. As for not holding power even with the most votes, that's a problem with our current system, not Democrats.


That is a good question, I don't mind talking about my opinions. I don't think that anyone should be telling other people how to vote though. That is a personal decision.

On my opinions: I think we need a much better healthcare system, probably free without the need for insurance. I also think we need more guns, and fewer restrictions on them and the types of them, but at the same time background checks are a good idea. I would say I am pro life, in most cases, in the sense that I don't think we should have the death penalty for most cases. As for abortion, I see it largely as a HUGE wedge issue that everyone gets angry about, and it is very divisive. I wish people would just let some of this stuff be. Now I think that women should be able to do what they want with their bodies, but I guess the question is, at what point is another persons body involved, in other words, when is it a baby? That I do not know and do not have a good solution for.

As for foreign policy, I used to be more like, leave stuff alone, now I am more of a hawk, if justified. Especially with all the craziness from Russia and China. I kinda think that the US should be more involved actually, eventually at least, but for now we need to fix problems at home as much as possible first. Overall, I consider myself a free thinker, I like to think outside the box, and I am a liberal, in the sense that I value freedom and liberty. It seems most people don't know what that term means anymore, and just throw it around in different ways.
If a full-grown adult decided to shove his fist up your ass and wear you like a puppet for 9 months you would have the right to shoot him in the head. The fact that he is a person is irrelevant. Personhood of the fetus does not matter one bit. No person has the right to occupy space inside another person's body without their consent. Full stop.

Now, faced with this undeniable truth you may be tempted to grasp at the intent straw rather than change your deeply held belief. "Oh but the baby didn't choose to invade another person, it's innocent!" No. If a person with a mental condition they can't control starts beating you to death we don't allow them to continue just because they don't mean it or didn't choose it. You have the right to defend your bodily integrity with lethal force under any circumstances, and so do women.


Why not? Anyway, I am more concerned about too many restrictions than actual numbers, to be fair. But to answer the question as to why more guns could be beneficial, it would be for defense of the homeland in case of an invasion.
Invasion? Do you seriously think even if every other country on earth decided to invade us they would be successful? Geographically it is practically impossible. The only way it could ever be even remotely possible would be if say half the country decided to align with the invaders. I'll give you one guess which demographic would even consider that and here's a hint: it's the ones with the most guns.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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The stupid Democrats need to actually start working on the issues average people face throughout their day, not putting litter boxes in high schools for furries lol.

Why are you repeating a blatantly false story?
 
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kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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He's not wrong. If you watch someone dismantle democracy and you just stand by and watch. You are just as guilty.

Absolutely. Only one side is trying to make 51% of the population 2nd class citizens, only one side thinks any election they lose is illegitimate and it justifies them killing democracy.

It's like being in a boat that's taking on water, fast. The guy standing there doing nothing wants everyone to know he isn't responsible for the bouyancy issues, and btw, you people frantically bailing water for your lives really need to lighten up.

Riiiight.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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The Democrats need to do something, anything. Starting to feel about the Republicans the way I felt about the Taliban taking over Afghanistan, at least they seem capable of holding Power.

Republicans embrace their Base, Democrats try to silence theirs. This is not going to end well if it continues. They already call you Commies, stop acting like actually doing something will harm you.
Republicans embracing their base led to them losing all elected bodies of government despite holding HUGE structural advantages. If the vote totals flipped exactly what you end up with is a GOP trifecta filibuster proof majority. So why exactly should democrats embrace these tactics when they are almost certainly a route to catastrophic losses?

The problem is the system - there is no magical set of tactics that change this.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Republicans embracing their base led to them losing all elected bodies of government despite holding HUGE structural advantages. If the vote totals flipped exactly what you end up with is a GOP trifecta filibuster proof majority. So why exactly should democrats embrace these tactics when they are almost certainly a route to catastrophic losses?

The problem is the system - there is no magical set of tactics that change this.

The Base remains motivated when their concerns get addressed.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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GOTTA LOVE FOX.... HAHAHA
First ignoring, then deflecting to Hunter's notebook, then... the realization that YES THEY TOO must abide by this potential ruling.

GEE WIZ...
Now, when Shannon Bream gets raped by Tucker Carlson, she will be forced to give birth to that commie baby.
And GEE WIZ...
When Laura Ingraham gets raped by Sean Hannity, she too will be forced to give birth to that bastard baby.

FUNNY....
How republicans have always used these social issues to win elections, yet to NEVER IMAGINE it ever actually happening. BUT NOW.... IT HAS....
Be prepared, it will be the Fox views who will cry the loudest, and cry WE NEVER REALLY THOUGHT THIS WOULD ACTUALLY EVER HAPPEN.
Heard Fox screaming this morning this doesn't end abortion because people poor people will just get on a bus and travel half way across the country to have one. Buses have been around for more then 60 years. How did that work out before?

They said this is how thing should be, left up to the states. Really? What happens when Republicans manage to push through a ban on birth control? They tried 10-15 years ago.

What happens when they don't want darkies eating at the same lunch counter with their lily white asses? What happens when marriage equality is rolled back? No right is safe from these people
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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What happens when they don't want darkies eating at the same lunch counter with their lily white asses?

I know this might sound hyperbolic to some people but per Alito's standard of only the rights "rooted in this nation's history and tradition" desegregation would not seem to fly.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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Why leak this if it were going to happen anyway in June? I can think of three possibilities.

The leak will be the decision but those slimy conservatives will put off the decision until after the election. Progressive warning.
Possible fake out and conservatives will fall back on 15 week ban and in comparison it won't seem so bad.
Major SCOTUS in fighting.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Why leak this if it were going to happen anyway in June? I can think of three possibilities.

The leak will be the decision but those slimy conservatives will put off the decision until after the election. Progressive warning.
Possible fake out and conservatives will fall back on 15 week ban and in comparison it won't seem so bad.
Major SCOTUS in fighting.
Whatever the decision is it will come out before the election. Honestly if I had to guess about any shenanigans it would be to get it out now so outrage hopefully fades by November.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Whatever the decision is it will come out before the election. Honestly if I had to guess about any shenanigans it would be to get it out now so outrage hopefully fades by November.

Yeah I dunno since the pressure to run on a near-total nationwide abortion ban is coming to the fore. If it is a strategy it doesn't feel like a good one.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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He got more votes than any previous president in history?
He also lost by the widest margin of any incumbent since Herbert Hoover. I struggle to understand why anyone would view that performance as something to emulate.

Imagine if Biden had lost by seven million votes. Everyone here would rightly conclude he had a bad plan. The only reason the election was close is because the playing field was so skewed in Trump’s favor that he could lose by about 6.9 million and still be president.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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He also lost by the widest margin of any incumbent since Herbert Hoover. I struggle to understand why anyone would view that performance as something to emulate.

Imagine if Biden had lost by seven million votes. Everyone here would rightly conclude he had a bad plan. The only reason the election was close is because the playing field was so skewed in Trump’s favor that he could lose by about 6.9 million and still be president.
Right but the discussion was about energizing the base and he clearly did that.
 
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Pohemi

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Oct 2, 2004
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LOL what makes you think Roberts can do anything.. they have 5 votes already.
Roberts is the designated "good cop." Don't fall for it. He's only doing it because he's the 6th vote, to preserve so called credibility of so called court. If he was decisive vote, he'd vote to dismantle Roe too.
This. He can do a Susan Collins brow-furrowing and act very concerned, dissenting since he knows the court doesn't need his vote to pass it.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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Heard Fox screaming this morning this doesn't end abortion because people poor people will just get on a bus and travel half way across the country to have one. Buses have been around for more then 60 years. How did that work out before?

Hasn't/Isn't one of the states pushing through a "it's illegal to get your abortion done by travelling outside of this state" law though?
 

gothuevos

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Jul 28, 2010
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If the vote totals flipped exactly what you end up with is a GOP trifecta filibuster proof majority.

Just wait until 2024.

And to the people still saying "Biden isn't paying attention to the progressive base," please - your candidates got their asses handed to them down ballot in 2020.
 
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