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I'll go a step further..... keep your sky-fairy B$ the heck away from me!

IMO these people and their superstitious anti-science nonsense are a serious danger to anyone with a functioning brain.

The next time some hypocrite "christian" starts preaching where I can hear it there's going to be problems.

100% nails my thoughts.
 
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blackangst1

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LOL, blackangst - wtf are you even doing here.

If it didn't end abortion, they why are R's going mad over this victory?

Guess what slugger, they OVERTURNED that ruling that allowed women to choose, that allowed PRIVACY in your life, and so forth.

Look. I think this was a terrible ruling. But many people are misunderstood in that it outlaws abortion federally. It doesnt.
 

eelw

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Also correct.

Without Trump being able to appoint Gorsuch, Kav and ACB this decision would not have been possible but he was elected and he was able to pick 3 justices. Way to go for putting purity ahead of pragmatism when it actually mattered.
Lol the orange monkey is a puppet. This is all moscow Mitch
 

pmv

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Also correct.

Without Trump being able to appoint Gorsuch, Kav and ACB this decision would not have been possible but he was elected and he was able to pick 3 justices. Way to go for putting purity ahead of pragmatism when it actually mattered.

Maybe.

You do have to hold your nose and pick the least-bad-option, given the world as it is.

But it does get tiresome how centrists constantly need the left to bail them out - and then invariably turn round and go back to entirely ignoring the threat from the right and putting all their effort into attacking that left. See Macron and Starmer. Centrists will never do the same and put the wider good ahead of their form of 'purity' (cf the SDP and then the Lib Dems repeatedly helping the Conservatives win elections by splitting the opposition, or even openly collaborating with them).

Furthermore, partly this happened because a centrist like RBG enjoyed being part of the insiders club, and forgot what the point of the whole thing was.
 
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nickqt

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Maybe.

You do have to hold your nose and pick the least-bad-option, given the world as it is.

But it does get tiresome how centrists constantly need the left to bail them out - and then invariably turn round and go back to entirely ignoring the threat from the right and putting all their effort into attacking that left. See Macron and Starmer. Centrists will never do the same and put the wider good ahead of their form of 'purity'.

Furthermore, partly this happened because a centrist like RBG enjoyed being part of the insiders club, and forgot what the point of the whole thing was.
Agreed, and it's why one of the most Constitutionally-possible fixes is to adopt Strong Federalism.

 
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Timorous

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Maybe.

You do have to hold your nose and pick the least-bad-option, given the world as it is.

But it does get tiresome how centrists constantly need the left to bail them out - and then invariably turn round and go back to entirely ignoring the threat from the right and putting all their effort into attacking that left. See Macron and Starmer. Centrists will never do the same and put the wider good ahead of their form of 'purity'.

Furthermore, partly this happened because a centrist like RBG enjoyed being part of the insiders club, and forgot what the point of the whole thing was.

Starmer is a realist. If he even looks like he supports something Corbyn did the right wing rags would jump down his neck instead of jibing at the government like they do at the moment because they have nothing else to print. Just look at the BS over the beer and a meal he had while working vs the parties that were going on in Downing Street.

So while I would love for Starmer to come out and say he supports the RMT strike it just won't happen because right now the papers focus is on how the government is failing, the second he says that it will turn to 'Starmer supports making you late for work' or 'Starmer and Union bosses in cahoots to delay your travel' or some other bullshit.

This is one thing leftists utterly fail at and it is pragmatism. Sure when you have a primary try and go for the candidate that best represents your views, get more AOC's into the house and the senate. Those are great but if you end up with a primary winner who is not quite what you want, vote for them anyway because the GOP candidate will be worse in the long run. This is what happened in 2016 with Hillary vs Bernie and while Bernie came close Hillary won the nomination and those who supported Bernie should have voted for her, many did not and Hillary lost which allowed Trump / Mitch to have 3 justice picks and now you are stuck with what the country voted for in 2016.

Acceleration-ism just does not work because when you are dealing with an entity that craves power over all else what it actually does is lands you in a fascist state. Trump was close to succeeding with a god damn coup and it was only Pence coming to his senses (or losing his bottle for the MAGA lot) last minute that stopped it. If the GOP win the mid terms what do you think voting will look like in 2024? It will be harder, it will be more gerrymandered and they will keep on being able to win majorities in the house / senate despite having just 30/40% of the vote nationwide. If they do manage to get the trifecta of House, Senate and Presidency by 2028 do you really think, with the current supreme court, you will be able to vote you way out of it by 2032? I don't.
 

ch33zw1z

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Look. I think this was a terrible ruling. But many people are misunderstood in that it outlaws abortion federally. It doesnt.

It doesn't matter, it's a dumb argument you're making. The SCOTUS just dumped a Federal ruling with contradictory logic that will allow states to not only ban a right guaranteed in the constitution, but ban that right even outside of that state.

So look, get over yourself and the lame word games. the implications of this ruling is far reaching and will not stop here.
 

Captante

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It doesn't matter, it's a dumb argument you're making. The SCOTUS just dumped a Federal ruling with contradictory logic that will allow states to not only ban a right guaranteed in the constitution, but ban that right even outside of that state.

So look, get over yourself and the lame word games. the implications of this ruling is far reaching and will not stop here.


This.

The outrage over this ruling that clearly was based on forcing "Christian values" (rotfl) based purely on superstition, a book written by random primitive/ignorant people and belief in magic sky-fairies down everyone else's throat has only just begun.

I feel terrible for my daughters.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I'll go a step further..... keep your sky-fairy B$ the heck away from me!

IMO these people and their superstitious anti-science nonsense are a serious danger to anyone with a functioning brain.

The next time some hypocrite "christian" starts preaching where I can hear it there's going to be problems.

Gotta catch on to the fact it has nothing to do with religion.
 

ch33zw1z

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This.

The outrage over this ruling that clearly was based on forcing "Christian values" (rotfl) based purely on superstition, a book written by random primitive/ignorant people and belief in magic sky-fairies down everyone else's throat has only just begun.

I feel terrible for my daughters.

we ain't seen nothing yet. theocracy inbound, with whatever distorted fucked up version the conservatives choose

If anyone thinks the conservatives aren't looking to ban abortion nationwide, they're fooling themselves
 

Captante

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Gotta catch on to the fact it has nothing to do with religion.


To the people PUSHING this agenda from leadership positions I completely agree.... its about old white men maintaining control.

To the run-of-the-mill GOP/Confederate voter however religion is what its about and so it needs to be addressed.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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To the people PUSHING this agenda from leadership positions I completely agree.... its about old white men maintaining control.

To the run-of-the-mill GOP/Confederate voter however religion is what its about and so it needs to be addressed.
If it wasn't religion it'd be something else, don't go playing whackamole with the wrong thing. Personal agency and bodily autonomy is the only thing that needs to be targeted.
 

HomerJS

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Gotta catch on to the fact it has nothing to do with religion.
Actually it does. Evangelicals are claiming life begins at conception but oddly enough the Bible says life begins at birth.
Genesis 2:7, when God “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.”

Their position is based on their claim of religion and forcing that belief on other people. It isn't based on a plurality of science.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Actually it does. Evangelicals are claiming life begins at conception but oddly enough the Bible says life begins at birth.


Their position is based on their claim of religion and forcing that belief on other people. It isn't based on a plurality of science.
Again, religion is just the vehicle of the message. Even if you deleted the knowledge of religion from everyone's brain, they'd still have a desire to control people and they'd just use a different vehicle.
 

blackangst1

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It doesn't matter, it's a dumb argument you're making. The SCOTUS just dumped a Federal ruling with contradictory logic that will allow states to not only ban a right guaranteed in the constitution, but ban that right even outside of that state.

So look, get over yourself and the lame word games. the implications of this ruling is far reaching and will not stop here.

You sound like Republicans when Obama was elected...theyre going to take my guns!!!

SCOTUS has reversed over 230 decisions they themselves have made and the world didnt end.
 

Tsinni Dave

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You sound like Republicans when Obama was elected...theyre going to take my guns!!!

SCOTUS has reversed over 230 decisions they themselves have made and the world didnt end.
Obama was elected to office and the right acted on thinly veiled racism and an unfounded claim of gun restrictions. Scotus are unelected and serve for life and have already shown their willingness to essentially misrepresent if not actually lie under oath during their confirmation. Also raising a future ruling on contraception and marriage equality doesn't inspire confidence that the separation of church and state will hold.
So entirely unlike the rightwing fear mongering about Obama.
 
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