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K1052

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Guess having a Senate advantage and gerrymandered to hell and back congressional body wasn't enough. Now we just have 5 people deciding high rule.

This is basically where we are at. Republicans ran the table well enough to rule through the court for the foreseeable future or until people decide they've had enough.
 
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fskimospy

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Starting to wonder what the point of passing laws is anyway. Congress authorized this through the plain text of the law and SCOTUS just decided they knew better and Congress didn’t really mean it.

As Kagan points out, this is more Calvinball. The text of the legislation is the most important thing unless the text authorizes a policy SCOTUS doesn’t like. Then, a magical exception to the doctrine appears.
 

K1052

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Starting to wonder what the point of passing laws is anyway. Congress authorized this through the plain text of the law and SCOTUS just decided they knew better and Congress didn’t really mean it.

As Kagan points out, this is more Calvinball. The text of the legislation is the most important thing unless the text authorizes a policy SCOTUS doesn’t like. Then, a magical exception to the doctrine appears.

Or the court outright fabricates the facts of the case to reach the outcome they want.
 

cytg111

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So ... The American Supreme Court is the new Executive Branch?

Right? Biden can go home take a nap now?
 

fskimospy

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Some people might call me alarmist but from my POV the prospects that the United States survives the next few years in its current form are less than 50/50.
I agree it is a major threat but to me the most likely answer is a slow slide as opposed to a big rupture, the one exception being if Democrats win in 2024 and Republicans straight out steal the election.

But really I think people do not fully accept or understand the extent to which Democrats passing big new policies is kind of pointless as SCOTUS will just invalidate them. Democrats need to recognize this and take a far more aggressive stance against the court to bring it back into line.

I mean the court just BARELY ruled that the executive branch was able to conduct foreign policy it didn’t like.
 

K1052

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I agree it is a major threat but to me the most likely answer is a slow slide as opposed to a big rupture, the one exception being if Democrats win in 2024 and Republicans straight out steal the election.

But really I think people do not fully accept or understand the extent to which Democrats passing big new policies is kind of pointless as SCOTUS will just invalidate them. Democrats need to recognize this and take a far more aggressive stance against the court to bring it back into line.

I mean the court just BARELY ruled that the executive branch was able to conduct foreign policy it didn’t like.

I think we'll get the (not so) slow side over the next couple years complements of SCOTUS and then probably the worst case scenario of a Republican steal in 24.
 

Pens1566

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Seems fair to me.

I think we'll get the (not so) slow side over the next couple years complements of SCOTUS and then probably the worst case scenario of a Republican steal in 24.

Yep, exactly what I expect. We're going to see at least one state where legislators overrule the vote by saying it's fraudulent/whatever, and flip their electors as a result. SCOTUS granting cert to the NC case almost guarantees it ...
 

gothuevos

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I agree it is a major threat but to me the most likely answer is a slow slide as opposed to a big rupture, the one exception being if Democrats win in 2024 and Republicans straight out steal the election.

But really I think people do not fully accept or understand the extent to which Democrats passing big new policies is kind of pointless as SCOTUS will just invalidate them. Democrats need to recognize this and take a far more aggressive stance against the court to bring it back into line.

I mean the court just BARELY ruled that the executive branch was able to conduct foreign policy it didn’t like.

You're starting to sound more like me everyday.

Now I'm really worried.
 
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trenchfoot

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I really don't blame the conservative judges for exploiting their majority in the SCOTUS. They're just doing what they're being told by the folks who own their asses. Saying they're corrupt beyond the pale is patting them on the back for playing their cards right in their effort to feel the power they possess over the people of the nation.

Mitch McConnell is the guy who will own the defeat of democracy if it comes to pass, aided and abetted by Manchin and Sinema. Oh and let's not forget the folks who voted for these cretins. They must feel so proud of themselves about the damage they've caused the nation while cutting their own throats in order to feel the thrill of hollowed out victories.
 
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