Quoted so people can read it twice. I think a lot of times people see me advocating mental health care over gun control as a distraction from gun control itself. It's more that by approaching mental health, you correct an entire population of peoples rather than dealing with an isolated group within the population.Technically not wrong if you include the mental health of stanch conservatives who have shunted America down a bad policy road for decades and are now pretending not to know anything about the choices they've made for us as everything keeps turning to shit. They should get help for their severe cases of denial.
I think this wildly overestimates our ability to treat mental health.Quoted so people can read it twice. I think a lot of times people see me advocating mental health care over gun control as a distraction from gun control itself. It's more that by approaching mental health, you correct an entire population of peoples rather than dealing with an isolated group within the population.
The courts use logic. Sometimes they aren't good at it or cheat so they can force an agenda.quit using logic
And I think calls for useful gun control wildly overestimate the ability of our country's elected leaders to settle on appropriate gun control measures. Given the circumstances, I see speedier progress from mental health overhaul attempts than 2A overhaul attempts.I think this wildly overestimates our ability to treat mental health.
Domestic abuse is arguably a product of mental health issues. However you do not simply advocate for mental health promotion in dealing with it, you make domestic abuse illegal. The same logic applies to gun control. Guns are not just a problem because a lot of people who have them are mentally unstable. Easy access to guns, particularly guns designed for the military (e.g. AR-15 assault rifles) contributes to mental instability. A knife or axe has other uses than harming people. Guns, other than hunting, have no other use than threatening or harming others. Their very availability is detrimental to general mental health of the populace.Quoted so people can read it twice. I think a lot of times people see me advocating mental health care over gun control as a distraction from gun control itself. It's more that by approaching mental health, you correct an entire population of peoples rather than dealing with an isolated group within the population.
Yep, and while domestic abuse likely decreased upon being made illegal, it's not gone. Shooting people is illegal too, still not gone. We can take the tools away, still won't fix the underlying issue.Domestic abuse is arguably a product of mental health issues. However you do not simply advocate for mental health promotion in dealing with it, you make domestic abuse illegal. The same logic applies to gun control. Guns are not just a problem because a lot of people who have them are mentally unstable. Easy access to guns, particularly guns designed for the military (e.g. AR-15 assault rifles) contributes to mental instability. A knife or axe has other uses than harming people. Guns, other than hunting, have no other use than threatening or harming others. Their very availability is detrimental to general mental health of the populace.
But initially any of this “mental health” will just identify unfit gun owners and then the gun nutters will just blame liberal quack Doctors using this a way impede 2A.Given the circumstances, I see speedier progress from mental health overhaul attempts than 2A overhaul attempts.
Good God. Nope, that’s not my faith.Here is your faith for you.
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Ah, but the tools contribute mightily to the problem. Just yesterday a 21 YO rapper decides to take his assault rifle and kill as many people as he can from a rooftop in Chicago suburb, ~40 people killed or injured. Yeah, he wasn't exactly a model citizen, but without that gun he's unlikely to commit a similar massacre. Dude, I think YOU need your head examined, this should be plain to you.Yep, and while domestic abuse likely decreased upon being made illegal, it's not gone. Shooting people is illegal too, still not gone. We can take the tools away, still won't fix the underlying issue.
You think it would be easier to cure or at least severely mitigate mental illness than enact gun control? I strongly disagree! As evidence I would submit the large number of countries that have successfully implemented wide ranging gun control and the zero countries that have been able to do the same with mental illness.And I think calls for useful gun control wildly overestimate the ability of our country's elected leaders to settle on appropriate gun control measures. Given the circumstances, I see speedier progress from mental health overhaul attempts than 2A overhaul attempts.
Yep, and while domestic abuse likely decreased upon being made illegal, it's not gone. Shooting people is illegal too, still not gone. We can take the tools away, still won't fix the underlying issue.
Most people who call themselves "independents" are actually still partisan. They just don't think of themselves that way.
So don't target the gun nutters first?But initially any of this “mental health” will just identify unfit gun owners and then the gun nutters will just blame liberal quack Doctors using this a way impede 2A.
Yes, the tools make the situation worse. As I've yammered about many times though, true gun control beyond outlawing full automatics in the US has been a non-starter, thanks to Republicans/Fox. You can want something until you're blue in the face, that doesn't mean it'll happen.Ah, but the tools contribute mightily to the problem. Just yesterday a 21 YO rapper decides to take his assault rifle and kill as many people as he can from a rooftop in Chicago suburb, ~40 people killed or injured. Yeah, he wasn't exactly a model citizen, but without that gun he's unlikely to commit a similar massacre. Dude, I think YOU need your head examined, this should be plain to you.
Cool, good luck. Let us know if you can dislodge enough Republicans to get a 2/3rds majority, and we can solve all our problems in one fell sweep.You think it would be easier to cure or at least severely mitigate mental illness than enact gun control? I strongly disagree! As evidence I would submit the large number of countries that have successfully implemented wide ranging gun control and the zero countries that have been able to do the same with mental illness.
We need to keep our eye on the only actual solution here - gun control. Improved mental health care is a good thing in its own right but it will not solve or even substantially mitigate our gun violence problem. It's a fake solution.
Interesting, I see the opposite as more probable to resolve than 2A, as none of those things requires tweaking or getting rid of a Constitutional amendment (at least not likely to).Well, I suppose, if one wants to take that line, the "underlying issue" for domestic abuse is misogyny and patriarchy. And the 'underlying issue' for shootings is the wider culture of violence, and, specifically, gun-fetishism. Maybe could expand it to inequality and capitalism while you were at it. But I don't see much hope or inclination to address such 'underlying issues', so arguably, restrictions on guns (which clearly keep the death toll down in other countries) is the most practical approach.
If the Senate and House were both 100% Democrats we still couldn't cure mental illness so still seems like an easier lift to me.Cool, good luck. Let us know if you can dislodge enough Republicans to get a 2/3rds majority, and we can solve all our problems in one fell sweep.
It's sad that the guy in this article seems to think they somehow lost their faith or perverted it or whatever when it came to supporting Trump instead of reaching the obvious conclusion that their faith was of secondary importance to culture war to them from the beginning.Good God. Nope, that’s not my faith.
I'm an independent, with a very strong democratic lean. I just don't believe in making a political party part of my identity. I think this is one way republicans have taken their base of the deep end.Most people who call themselves "independents" are actually still partisan. They just don't think of themselves that way.
What makes you say that? Do you feel mental illness is just inherent to humanity?If the Senate and House were both 100% Democrats we still couldn't cure mental illness
Well to be clear I mean we could not cure most mental illness any time in the remotely near future. I think we fundamentally lack the tools to do it and while I'm no doctor I don't see many prospects for that changing any time soon. I also think that some things we treat as mental illness are probably inherent to significant subsets of humanity and might not be 'curable' without really screwing up other things. We have tools to mitigate symptoms and channel people towards less destructive behaviors but that's about as far as it goes.What makes you say that? Do you feel mental illness is just inherent to humanity?
Alito in the Roe ruling referenced a guy who used to convict people for witchcraft
Welp, keep beating the drum of gun control, and I'll keep beating the drum of mental health care. Hopefully one way or another this ends, though I suspect it'll 'end' in a different way than we'd prefer.Well to be clear I mean we could not cure most mental illness any time in the remotely near future. I think we fundamentally lack the tools to do it and while I'm no doctor I don't see many prospects for that changing any time soon. I also think that some things we treat as mental illness are probably inherent to significant subsets of humanity and might not be 'curable' without really screwing up other things. We have tools to mitigate symptoms and channel people towards less destructive behaviors but that's about as far as it goes.
Well, it's not easily dealt with. For one thing, there's denial and that's HUGE. You can make guns illegal and thereby reduce access to them. Reducing mental health issues in the populace is entirely different thing. There's no pill that will make you sane. There's no set of laws that will handle the problems. In fact, given the existential problems we have now globally it may not be possible. But one thing's for certain: We can institute effective gun control.What makes you say that? Do you feel mental illness is just inherent to humanity?
Take the blinders off, mutherfucker.Yep, and while domestic abuse likely decreased upon being made illegal, it's not gone. Shooting people is illegal too, still not gone. We can take the tools away, still won't fix the underlying issue.
Ironic statement, given the blinders you have regarding your surety that America can institute effective gun control. I'm at least trying to provide another option to deal with the actual issue.Take the blinders off, mutherfucker.
Kansas referendum vote is coming up in August - after the republican supermajorities finally managed to drive through a constitutional amendment to remove the right to life and liberty for women from the state constitution, subject to a simple popular vote now. If it passes, they will undoubtedly follow Texas, Ohio, Oklahoma, Missouri and others in effectively banning all abortions regardless of life of mother or rape or incest.What percentage of states that now or will restrict abortion will put it to a referendum and would they honour the results?