Does anyone on the left disagree with you that we need to address mental health in this country too? There's really no reason to keep trying to interject that point. Well there is a reason and it's what you see the right do constantly.
Sounds like we need to do both, no?
We should, with emphasis on doing more regarding the latter in my opinion, but there's a whole political party out there that is actively trying to sabotage any attempts at both. More importantly, they are trying to deflect blame away from themselves by pinning the problem on mental health.Sounds like we need to do both, no?
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Well, for my part, I've never been about deflecting blame. Just addressing the problem with expediency so we can move on to more pressing matters.We should, with emphasis on doing more regarding the latter in my opinion, but there's a whole political party out there that is actively trying to sabotage any attempts at both. More importantly, they are trying to deflect blame away from themselves by pinning the problem on mental health.
They are people capable of thought, and subscribe to neither party's agenda... That said, the fact they are capable of thought makes voting for the republican candidate is a reach.Most people who call themselves "independents" are actually still partisan. They just don't think of themselves that way.
Remove every single gun and the mentally ill will still be harming others, be it a motor vehicle driven at high speed into a crowd, and attacks with anything else that can be weaponized.The amount of mental gymnastics some gun owners go through in order to avoid addressing the glaringly obvious issue is absurd. There's too many guns and they're too easy to get, we should address that with stricter gun control. The answer is so obvious that every other first world country has figured it out.
Mental health is a separate problem, we should address that with tax payer funded healthcare, it's expensive as shit to deal with mental health issues. I have 2 children with mental health issues and I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford it, and it still shocks me how expensive and time consuming it is. I can't imagine how people with average or below average income deal with it. I'm guessing they just don't, which is why we have such a problem with that in this country.
Stop conflating the two issues, it's incredibly harmful to people with mental health problems and it adds a stigma they really don't need.
The ease of accomplishing that is greatly reduced though.Remove every single gun and the mentally ill will still be harming others, be it a motor vehicle driven at high speed into a crowd, and attacks with anything else that can be weaponized.
The UK basically removed all guns, now there is a push to make pointy knives illegal, the weapon of choice for those that can't get a gun. And don't fucking turn around and say "they can kill as efficiently with a knife" Does that fucking matter if it is you or someone you care about?
Related to the Dobbs decision:
Just fucking inexcusable. There's no legitimate way they should have participated in decisions where she/her group was involved.
So you advocate removing all guns, and ignoring mental illness?The ease of accomplishing that is greatly reduced though.
It sure as hell is if it is the person I cared about that didn't get killed because there is only so much stabbing someone can do in a given time frame in a crowded space before they are stopped.Remove every single gun and the mentally ill will still be harming others, be it a motor vehicle driven at high speed into a crowd, and attacks with anything else that can be weaponized.
The UK basically removed all guns, now there is a push to make pointy knives illegal, the weapon of choice for those that can't get a gun. And don't fucking turn around and say "they can kill as efficiently with a knife" Does that fucking matter if it is you or someone you care about?
Yes, yes it does, because replacing guns with knives makes it far less likely that it's me or someone I care about because the mentally ill person can't kill nearly as many people!Remove every single gun and the mentally ill will still be harming others, be it a motor vehicle driven at high speed into a crowd, and attacks with anything else that can be weaponized.
The UK basically removed all guns, now there is a push to make pointy knives illegal, the weapon of choice for those that can't get a gun. And don't fucking turn around and say "they can't kill as efficiently with a knife" Does that fucking matter if it is you or someone you care about?
So you are advocating given treatment to heavily armed mentally ill people.So you advocate removing all guns, and ignoring mental illness?
We can walk and chew bubblegum.So you advocate removing all guns, and ignoring mental illness?
Most of these fuck nuts have had run-ins with authority, from law enforcement to schools, and even families trying to seek help for them, and they still can buy a gun on the spot. That is a problem.
My original did contain a typo, my intent was to say they "can't" kill as efficiently, which I have now corrected.
Yea, it's that or ignore them, which is what is being done now, even when they demonstrate many red flags. Until they pull the trigger, they are being ignored.So you are advocating given treatment to heavily armed mentally ill people.
I can strawman too!
We can walk and chew bubblegum.
Guns allow for an easy escalation to deadly force. So yes, taking them out of the equation will have a huge effect.
We can also address mental health, too.
The Columbine massacre took place over 23 years ago. It's old enough to have multiple divorces and a drinking problem. If reasonable gun control was possible in the US it would have happened after a dozen school children were gunned down.yep, it’s really two pieces to deal with. A mental health fix will take decades, if not longer. Guns are the part of the equation that is much more immediately fixable
The Columbine massacre took place over 23 years ago. It's old enough to have multiple divorces and a drinking problem. If reasonable gun control was possible in the US it would have happened after a dozen school children were gunned down.
The Columbine massacre took place over 23 years ago. It's old enough to have multiple divorces and a drinking problem. If reasonable gun control was possible in the US it would have happened after a dozen school children were gunned down.
You could propose a gun control measure every day if you wanted to, it's still not gonna get past the Senate, much less the newly anointed holy supreme court of the first order.That only applies if there were something that had been enacted as a result of said event. There wasn't, so it doesn't.
Every person in the UK also has access to free mental health care.Yes, yes it does, because replacing guns with knives makes it far less likely that it's me or someone I care about because the mentally ill person can't kill nearly as many people!
The UK removed almost all guns and guess what, their murder rate is about 1/5th ours. Seems like removing the guns is very effective to me.
The UK enacted its handgun ban in 1996. From 1990 until the ban was enacted, the homicide rate fluctuated between 10.9 and 13 homicides per million. After the ban was enacted, homicides trended up until they reached a peak of 18.0 in 2003. Since 2003, which incidentally was about the time the British government flooded the country with 20,000 more cops, the homicide rate has fallen to 11.1 in 2010. In other words, the 15-year experiment in a handgun ban has achieved absolutely nothing.
Every person in the UK also has access to free mental health care.
The UK banned guns in 1996. The murder rate, lower than the US increased, peaking in 2003, but then the UK hired 20,000 additional cops. Which has brought the rate down.
What are the education requirements for their cops?what kind of guns do their cops carry
What are the education requirements for their cops?
Most departments in the US have a very low bar to be a cop. HS diploma or GED and an BLET training, typically 16 weeks.no idea, they must be well armed if their educated, right?