Rolling blackouts in California tonight!!

Hamburgerpimp

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California, the 5th largest economy in the entire world and there is not enough power?? That, maybe the problem!
 

ToBeMe

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Yeah.... that's a problem their own state legislature created! Now they're backpeddling......albiet a little to late!
 
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humm.. .I can rejoice.. no powercuts for me.

I live in Glendale CA, we have our own power plants. Infact we sell some to the CA power grid.

Still I am conserving.

 

kranky

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Could be a good opportunity to sell battery-backed alarm clocks on the street corners.
 

RipRidah

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power was out earlier for me in the day, luckily I was still asleep. Have to reset my alarm clock though.
No new power plants in 10 yrs, yea thats smart.
 

ToBeMe

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Now Red........from what I've read (no pun intended!) there were a few Dems in favor of the deregulation also..........funny thing is, I have a Brother-In-Law in Simi Valley whom is blaming this all on the Dems in Cal.! Just glad for once I'm here and not there!
 

Tominator

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Actually what happened is that a 'Deal' was made. Instead of totally deregulateing, they only deregulated the supply end and not the demand end. The Power Companies have to but power at market prices, yet because of California's laws, the price they sell at is regulated...to the point the Power Companies are effectively bankrupt and cannot pay their bills. It is not deregulation that caused this.
 

chiwawa626

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i had a power out for 2 hours today (sunnyvale, CA)
We had generators at school, the power went, and we were standing in the middle of the gym playing badmitton in the dark for 20 seconds, then the generators came on. Got home and plugged in a ups and went online for a min, then just read a magazine
 

Mill

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Red Dawn- I think the lack of new Power Plants had to do with Liberal Tree Huggers. I don't live there so I don't really know, so whatever.



<< Glad I live in Florida. >>



At least the people in California can vote.
 

ToBeMe

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A, yeah, read &amp; heard ALL about it many times over.........still, it's the fact that they deregulated the Suppliers end of it and the Demand end of it was fixed until '02, therefore, yes, it was a direct result of the Legislatures Deregulation! Don't worry though......the &quot;bailout&quot; is underway!
 

Raspewtin

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Yes this was caused by deregulation. The supply side was deregulated state wide, but the demand side was going to be rolled out. It started in San Diego, and there were multiple people selling electricity (utility.com, Green Mountain, as well as SDGE) the established local power companies must sell at a specific rate established by PUC. This rate is determined by the market.

There are two queues of power, one that goes by market price, and an emergency queue (when electricty goes beneath 5%) where the PUC buys at higher rates to insure they never run out of that queue and cause power outages. Meanwhile during deregulation, what happened was that no provision was made for making sure that there was enough supply to create a competitive marketplace. SDGE, Edison, etc had to sell off all their power plants. The power providers than raised the prices skyhigh and limited supply artificially b/c they wanted to sell to the SECOND queue and get more per kilowatt and not the first queue where they get a lower price.

The governor forced a cap on rates to try to fix the problem (which of course did nothing). Multiply this market manipulation by power providers by the fact that a few power plants are offline and you get a bona fide &quot;crisis&quot; This governor knows the crisis is artificial and threatened to seize control of the power suppliers in the state of the state address.. Thus this event was caused by deregulation, and the lack of power in the grid is not by accident.

The solution is now going to be California buying power in long-term contracts and reselling it to the power companies to sell to us. We shall see if it works.
 

Stark

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It was actually the damn liberals that put the freeze on building new power plants. Wilson may have bought into the deregulation proposal, but it became clear last year with San Diego that it didn't work. The governor and legislature knew this was coming and did nothing.

They passed some crappy new legislation last night (taxpayers buy the power, sell it to the electric companies, then buy it back from them... brilliant), but it's not helping.

And remember, this is winter!! Can you imagine what's going to happen this summer with all those air conditioners running? We're screwed! The economy is screwed! Gray Davis (most of all) is screwed! :|
 

IBhacknU

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so with these companies going bankrupt, some one else must be making out. Where is all this LOST money going? Who won here? I don't see that side of the equation?
 

Double Trouble

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I'm not familiar enough with the details of the California power situation to make a call as to who's &quot;fault&quot; this mess is, but I do remember reading that over the last 11 years there hasn't been a single new power plant built in the entire state because companies were afraid to invest money in the power plants because of massive potential liabilities due to environmental laws. Sounds like Cali created their problems, now they sleep in the bed they made. Oh well... yawn

Deregulation is a good thing, but only if all aspects of the market have been properly analyzed and there are no gaps in market coverage.....
 

Raspewtin

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<< so with these companies going bankrupt, some one else must be making out. >>




Unfortunately these companies will be kept afloat. The governor feels strongly about it (sigh ). If they were to go bankrupt, I think that would be great and really teach the extorting power suppliers a lesson. BofA would be hit also, but who cares?.
 

KingHam

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It used to be that people didn't want power plants in &quot;their backyard&quot;. Now enviromentalists won't even let companies build power plants in the middle of nowhere without threats of lawsuits. Once you add in a few governmental mistakes and you are led to the current situation. The only real way to fix things is build more power plants because in the end the problem is too many people and not enough power.

KingHam
 

mpg

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the good guy live anywhere near that mini-mall with the subway in it and the park thats close by? My friend lives right there.
 

weinir

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glad its only in no. cal not so cal...or i'd be screwed. the deregulation idea is a good one...as long as we shoot all the tree hugging hippies that wont let power supply increase along with the ever-growing demand. i mean hell...cant build nuke plants, cant build dams, cant build oil/gas, cant build jack squat unless it doesnt make electricity. bah. if my power gets cut off...some tree hugger is gonna get a pair of broken legs
 

highme

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the out of state power generators are


I was informed today that if the California utilities that have been receiving all of Oregon/Washington's surplus power can't repay the debt, it gets paid for by those of us who live here somehow. I don't know details, but if that is the case, it is most definitely suck.
 
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