Question Rome Launch 7 August , what about TR?

[Kedas]

So Rome is ready for launch next week.

Any idea when we can expect TR? (the CPU is a cut down Epyc)
Asus already leaked the existence of X599. (the AMD version)
Do we really have to wait until Q4?

 

[Mechanical Man]

I hear from someone working at (r)etailer that the treadripper would be available to order for them from the wholesale/distributors in Q4/19.

 

[joesiv]

People are speculating that perhaps at the Hot Chips conference this month AMD will announce them. August I believe was when they did the previous announcement too, so makes sense.

 

[Mechanical Man]

But last time the Ryzen was released earlier, I would expect later date than August, maybe even October, EPYC2 is 7th of August afterall.

 

[Kenmitch]

Not sure when, but they'll probably kick some arse!

 

[Markfw]

Not sure when, but they'll probably kick some arse!

And I will have the one with the largest number of cores, or maybe more than one.

 

[CatMerc]

TR is quite soon. Don't worry.

 

[SarahKerrigan]

People are speculating that perhaps at the Hot Chips conference this month AMD will announce them. August I believe was when they did the previous announcement too, so makes sense.

Hot Chips is not for product announcements. There will be a Zen2 presentation but it will not contain release dates, pricing, or anything else like that, and I doubt next-gen TR will be mentioned in it at all. HC is about the technical program; it is not CES.

 

[joesiv]

Hot Chips is not for product announcements. There will be a Zen2 presentation but it will not contain release dates, pricing, or anything else like that, and I doubt next-gen TR will be mentioned in it at all. HC is about the technical program; it is not CES.

Perhaps, though they will be presenting on Zen2, and next gen TR would be based on Zen2, so I don't see why they couldn't sneak in an exciting implementation of Zen2 along the way. I guess we'll see.

 

[Abwx]

It s already thursday 8/8 in Japan and there s only a few hours left here in W-Europe, is the event behind closed doors for a happy few.?....

 

[Yotsugi]

is the event behind closed doors for a happy few.?....

Yes.

 

[Kedas]

Intels doctor asked AMD to try not to give even more stressful news anymore and play it cool, give intel time to cope with reality.
On the 7 of each month intel is in therapy session closed of from the world.

I read 22h UT time, so still >2 hours before we will see official info.

and I hope TR on 7/9 or 7/10
I think they have something for each month

 

[Schmide]

Thread Ripper is nothing but data center hand me downs.

Rightfully so. Best dies have to go somewhere.

 

[positivedoppler]

$7K for a 64 core part. GG
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14724/the-amd-epyc-rome-launch-live-blog

 

[Markfw]

$7K for a 64 core part. GG
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14724/the-amd-epyc-rome-launch-live-blog

I just looked up the price on the 8280l they compared to. $21k for 28 cores, or $7k for 64 cores. Is there any doubt what a reasonable CEO should buy ?

 

[JoeRambo]

I just looked up the price on the 8280l they compared to. $21k for 28 cores, or $7k for 64 cores. Is there any doubt what a reasonable CEO should buy ?

Reasonable CEOs buy Xeon Gold 5218 for ~$1250, those halo parts from AMD/Intel are not interesting to most actual server buyers.

But there Is no doubt that AMD will have interesting offerings with 24-32C in same ballpark of price, except with more I/O and memory.

 

[jpiniero]

Reasonable CEOs buy Xeon Gold 5218 for ~$1250, those halo parts from AMD/Intel are not interesting to most actual server buyers.

You really think most buy at that level? I would think it would be at the top end of Gold, like the 6252. I'm sure AMD will offer something like the 48 core at that price point.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Reasonable CEOs buy Xeon Gold 5218 for ~$1250, those halo parts from AMD/Intel are not interesting to most actual server buyers.

But there Is no doubt that AMD will have interesting offerings with 24-32C in same ballpark of price, except with more I/O and memory.

Add to this, in enterprise market ( i assume most others) your almost always I/O or memory limited before CPU limited, So mid range CPU's with the most GB of memory per $ ( can vary depending on dimm size and type) and populating all memory channels is almost always the best choice.

 

[Markfw]

Reasonable CEOs buy Xeon Gold 5218 for ~$1250, those halo parts from AMD/Intel are not interesting to most actual server buyers.

But there Is no doubt that AMD will have interesting offerings with 24-32C in same ballpark of price, except with more I/O and memory.

16 cores for $2000 (I looked it up, but maybe corp discounts ??)

But AMDs first gen 16 core is $908 (newegg) but corp can get even cheaper. So why do you say "Reasonable CEOs buy Xeon Gold 5218 for ~$1250" when AMD beats them in price and performance for even less than what you quoted ?

And 64 cores for 7k ? Also there is the power usage which is as important for business. Both in normal power usage an AC cost. I doubt your logic.

 

[Abwx]

Reasonable CEOs buy Xeon Gold 5218 for ~$1250, those halo parts from AMD/Intel are not interesting to most actual server buyers.

Badly reasonnable and uninformed, eventually..

Three of these 16C Xeons cost as much as a 48C Rome, with three full systems as added cost for the Xeons...


https://www.computerbase.de/2019-08/amd-epyc-7742-benchmarks/

 

[jpiniero]

The pricing gets murky because Intel OEMs don't pay anywhere near the list price; while AMD has said that their list pricing is closer to what they are actually charging. Whether that's actually true, we can't really know.

I'm sure the Cloud guys are getting a good deal on Rome.

 

[Markfw]

The pricing gets murky because Intel OEMs don't pay anywhere near the list price; while AMD has said that their list pricing is closer to what they are actually charging. Whether that's actually true, we can't really know.

I'm sure the Cloud guys are getting a good deal on Rome.

But even at the same price, the EPYC 2 is lower power consumption, which is lower AC cost. 1/2 the power is 1/4th the electric bill (I know that for sure, in my house)

You KNOW that EPYC 2 is way lower power usage than Xeon. Again, its a no brainer.

 

[Phynaz]

16 cores for $2000 (I looked it up, but maybe corp discounts ??)

But AMDs first gen 16 core is $908 (newegg) but corp can get even cheaper. So why do you say "Reasonable CEOs buy Xeon Gold 5218 for ~$1250" when AMD beats them in price and performance for even less than what you quoted ?

And 64 cores for 7k ? Also there is the power usage which is as important for business. Both in normal power usage an AC cost. I doubt your logic.

Real CEO's (unlike armchair ones like you) know there's a lot more to an enterprise class server than just the CPU.

Actually real CEO's leave this decision to the CIO, because it's their job.

 

[JoeRambo]

Badly reasonnable and uninformed, eventually..

Three of these 16C Xeons cost as much as a 48C Rome, with three full systems as added cost for the Xeons...

Is the siege mentality still required for AMD fans? Honestly they deliver good product at high end prices, there are is no free stuff in their price list.

I was just pointing out that noone is actually buying those 28 or 64C monsters, for average server sale there are always sweet spots and before Rome that spot was that Xeon.

P.S. before pointing out the "obvious" about pricing revolution, consider that noone is paying list prices, If my company isn't You can bet a farm that others get great deals too. Expect even greater deals from Intel now

 

[positivedoppler]

Is the siege mentality still required for AMD fans? Honestly they deliver good product at high end prices, there are is no free stuff in their price list.

I was just pointing out that noone is actually buying those 28 or 64C monsters, for average server sale there are always sweet spots and before Rome that spot was that Xeon.

P.S. before pointing out the "obvious" about pricing revolution, consider that noone is paying list prices, If my company isn't You can bet a farm that others get great deals too. Expect even greater deals from Intel now

Not sure if I can reveal who I represent, but I've had my eyes on the 64 core rome for some time now. While we don't have the bulk purchasing power of the big cloud providers, our purchases are critical. Those 28 core Xeon are eye watering expensive but we still have to buy them. 64 core rome will allow us to dramatically decrease our purchasing cost while further reducing the footprint. It's a huge game changer for what we're doing if I can convince those above me we shouldnt just stay safe with Intel.