Ron Paul for President

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IceBergSLiM

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Sure!

1.) Return to the gold standard or other commodity based currency. (he thinks paper money is unconstitutional, hahahaha)
2.) Is against UHC. (
3.) Is a global warming denier.
4.) Is an evolution doubter.
5.) Is anti-abortion.

I could go on, but I don't feel like writing any more on someone who really doesn't matter.

why don't you take something from his plan to restore america instead of turning to the typical(and played out) hot button issues that have little relevance on the long term direction of the country.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/
 

Arkaign

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Don't any of you RP supporters realize that if his ideas were so great, more people would support him? If they resonated with the majority of the populace he'd be in the lead. He's not.

That's making a HUGE leap in regards to assuming intelligence of the US populace.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Eskimopy:

Keep it simple yes or no:

Do you believe in states rights?

No, not really. I don't care about states' rights.

Do you believe in Smaller government?

This is a dumb question. Government should be smaller in some areas and larger in others. I do not believe in smaller government in the way you are talking about however, no. I believe in bigger government.

Do you believe in more debt(spending) will get you out of debt?

Yes, quality investment yields larger returns than doing nothing at all.

Are you a fiscal conservative?

No. Fiscal conservatism would be catastrophic in our current economic circumstances. The fact that the House has forced what are effectively austerity programs on the US in recent months has severely damaged our economy.

Do you believe in individual freedom to choose?

Nonsense question. It depends on what you are choosing about. (notably, Ron Paul doesn't believe in your freedom to choose an abortion!)

Do you believe debt is actually a hidden tax?

It depends. Spending is fundamentally quite similar to taxation though, yes. I think that taxes in the US should be higher however, so I'm pretty ok with that.
 

matt0611

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Sure!

1.) Return to the gold standard or other commodity based currency. (he thinks paper money is unconstitutional, hahahaha)
2.) Is against UHC.
3.) Is a global warming denier.
4.) Is an evolution doubter.
5.) Is anti-abortion.

I could go on, but I don't feel like writing any more on someone who really doesn't matter.

1. It is.
2. Good
3. Good
4. Who cares?
5. Good
 

fskimospy

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why don't you take something from his plan to restore america instead of turning to the typical(and played out) hot button issues that have little relevance on the long term direction of the country.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

You think return to a commodity based currency has little relevance? Trust me, in the middle of the economic catastrophe that would follow that you would think it was relevant. Also, UHC directly impacts not only my life, but everyone's life.

You might think that someone denying evolution and global warming isn't a big deal, but to me it shows that he allows ideology to overwhelm scientific evidence. (this is probably the source of his kooky economic views as well)
 

airdata

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Sure!

1.) Return to the gold standard or other commodity based currency. (he thinks paper money is unconstitutional, hahahaha)

Well, if you had a minuscule portion of a brain you would see that our economy is being devalued constantly.

But if you don't mind paying 20% more for all of your food/gas/goods and still make the same amount of money... Go ahead. Ridicule... make fun... and then keep your mouth shut the next time Ron Paul proves himself right.

( I'm referencing the housing bubble which Ron Paul was warning people about collapsing well in advance of it's collapse and being called nuts for that too because talking about things that actually matter is so fucking crazy. )
 

IceBergSLiM

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No, not really. I don't care about states' rights.



This is a dumb question. Government should be smaller in some areas and larger in others. I do not believe in smaller government in the way you are talking about however, no. I believe in bigger government.



Yes, quality investment yields larger returns than doing nothing at all.



No. Fiscal conservatism would be catastrophic in our current economic circumstances. The fact that the House has forced what are effectively austerity programs on the US in recent months has severely damaged our economy.



Nonsense question. It depends on what you are choosing about. (notably, Ron Paul doesn't believe in your freedom to choose an abortion!)



It depends. Spending is fundamentally quite similar to taxation though, yes. I think that taxes in the US should be higher however, so I'm pretty ok with that.

just quoting for posterity.
 

IceBergSLiM

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You think return to a commodity based currency has little relevance? Trust me, in the middle of the economic catastrophe that would follow that you would think it was relevant. Also, UHC directly impacts not only my life, but everyone's life.

You might think that someone denying evolution and global warming isn't a big deal, but to me it shows that he allows ideology to overwhelm scientific evidence. (this is probably the source of his kooky economic views as well)

Obamacare is going to get slapped down by SCOTUS anyways so its irrelevant and the state should provide single payer options if that is what their citizens want!

His plan to restore america said nothing about commodity based currency but you didn't even read it out of fear your liberal mind might be infected.

As far as evolution and global warming, they are issues that don't even appear on his website or plan to restore america, so I'm not sure why you would even cite them at all. irrelevant.

FYI, I believe in evolution and lean towards pro-choice on abortion but am against all late term abortion. So I don't agree with every last thing he says..
 
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momeNt

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You think return to a commodity based currency has little relevance? Trust me, in the middle of the economic catastrophe that would follow that you would think it was relevant. Also, UHC directly impacts not only my life, but everyone's life.

You might think that someone denying evolution and global warming isn't a big deal, but to me it shows that he allows ideology to overwhelm scientific evidence. (this is probably the source of his kooky economic views as well)

I'm not sure you understand what a scientific theory means. Your unwavering faith in this theory is worrisome. What if tomorrow some new scientific discovery was made and it debunked the theory of evolution, would you denounce your faith?
 

fskimospy

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Obamacare is going to get slapped down by SCOTUS anyways so its irrelevant.

His plan to restore america said nothing about commodity based currency but you didn't even read it out of fear your liberal mind might be infected.

As far as evolution and global warming, they are issues that don't even appear on his website or plan to restore america, so I'm not sure why you would even cite them at all. irrelevant.

Well I'm glad you're now a constitutional scholar. You should probably tell all the legal experts about this, because their general consensus is that it will be upheld.

I don't care if his plan said anything about it, he has a long history of advocating for it and as we all know, he's no flip flopper! I know plenty about Ron Paul's views, they are pretty standard libertarian ones, and I share quite a few of his libertarian social views. His economic views are so catastrophically bad however that it really doesn't matter if his other policies involve making me the official US stripper inspector, I could never support someone so fundamentally ignorant.

Oh, and if you think denying global warming and evolution is irrelevant... uhmm... ok. I don't.
 

fskimospy

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I'm not sure you understand what a scientific theory means. Your unwavering faith in this theory is worrisome. What if tomorrow some new scientific discovery was made and it debunked the theory of evolution, would you denounce your faith?

I understand exactly what a scientific theory means. The fact that you are pushing this line of argument tells me that you probably don't.
 

airdata

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Abortion and Evolution shouldn't play a majority role in deciding who the " Leader " of our country is.

Which of the other candidates were warning people about the housing bubble and other financial catastrophes for the past 20+ years?
 

IceBergSLiM

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Well I'm glad you're now a constitutional scholar. You should probably tell all the legal experts about this, because their general consensus is that it will be upheld.

I don't care if his plan said anything about it, he has a long history of advocating for it and as we all know, he's no flip flopper! I know plenty about Ron Paul's views, they are pretty standard libertarian ones, and I share quite a few of his libertarian social views. His economic views are so catastrophically bad however that it really doesn't matter if his other policies involve making me the official US stripper inspector, I could never support someone so fundamentally ignorant.

Oh, and if you think denying global warming and evolution is irrelevant... uhmm... ok. I don't.

Calling a seasoned medical doctor ignorant is hilarious! Who are you? What have you done? Whats your education level? lulz(rhetorical questions by the wway, I know the answers)

printing more and more money is catastrophic, spending more than you have is catastrophic. Do you run your personal finances like that?

Please I'll ask one more time, if you want to debate issues, pull them from his provided plan to restore america. Choose a specific issue and refrain from simply saying subjective retorts like 'its retarded' or 'catastrophic.' Please elaborate on your belief. Feel free to cite references.
 

momeNt

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Abortion and Evolution shouldn't play a majority role in deciding who the " Leader " of our country is.

Which of the other candidates were warning people about the housing bubble and other financial catastrophes for the past 20+ years?

It's all that is left for people who can't argue with the man's important views. They'll trip over dollars to fight for dimes.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
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Abortion and Evolution shouldn't play a majority role in deciding who the " Leader " of our country is.

Which of the other candidates were warning people about the housing bubble and other financial catastrophes for the past 20+ years?

he's beyond help.
 

soundforbjt

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Ok, he wants to eliminate most of the foreign military bases, what happens if we need to be in a part of the world that we don't have immediate access to due to the fact that we no longer have a base there to provide a point for soldiers and equipment to be deployed effectively?
 

fskimospy

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Calling a seasoned medical doctor ignorant is hilarious! Who are you? What have you done? Whats your education level? lulz(rhetorical questions by the wway, I know the answers)

printing more and more money is catastrophic, spending more than you have is catastrophic. Do you run your personal finances like that?

Please I'll ask one more time, if you want to debate issues, pull them from his provided plan to restore america. Choose a specific issue and refrain from simply saying subjective retorts like 'its retarded' or 'catastrophic.' Please elaborate on your belief. Feel free to cite references.

Yes, people who deny evolution are ignorant. It doesn't matter what their qualifications are. You almost certainly do not know my education level.

A low and steady level of inflation is overwhelmingly endorsed by economists. Personal finances and government finances have literally zero to do with one another. (this is a frequent misunderstanding of gold standard advocates)

I have already noted specific aspects of his publicly known and still held economic ideology that I believe to be terrible. Yes, catastrophic if implemented.
 

fskimospy

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Abortion and Evolution shouldn't play a majority role in deciding who the " Leader " of our country is.

Which of the other candidates were warning people about the housing bubble and other financial catastrophes for the past 20+ years?

They don't play a majority role, his other policies are bad enough all on their own. It's just the icing on the cake.

Ron Paul has been consistently predicting disaster for years. A stopped watch and all. His ideas for what caused the housing bubble (fannie and freddie) are incorrect and so I have no idea why he should be taken more seriously for predicting something with the wrong causal mechanism.
 

Siddhartha

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What was Mr Paul's best performance in any 2008 GOP Presidential Primary? What level of support do Mr Paul and or the Libertarians have in the US?

Is it possible the attention Mr Paul gets from the media reflects the actual support he has in the US?

According to:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-for-ron-paul/2011/08/19/gIQAsLEVbJ_blog.html

Back in 2008, Mr Paul got 14% in Nevada and 10% in Iowa. For the media to take Mr Paul seriously he needs to win and or at least do really well in a primary.
 
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Nemesis 1

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We really can't debate Ron Paul in the forums without a huge bias . As Paul IF elected would effect Millions of government and millions of contractors as well as unions if elected . The scope of people who are biased based on there personel gain is overwhelming. So because of bias its impossiable to have an intelligent conversation about the truth that Paul brings . So no I don't believe Paul has a chance to win . But may very well be the catalist for change THat YOU were all promised. I want to show you a video that gave me great cause for concern . I will go get it .

I can read people really good watch Hillary closely in this video. Back in a bit.
 
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momeNt

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They don't play a majority role, his other policies are bad enough all on their own. It's just the icing on the cake.

Ron Paul has been consistently predicting disaster for years. A stopped watch and all. His ideas for what caused the housing bubble (fannie and freddie) are incorrect and so I have no idea why he should be taken more seriously for predicting something with the wrong causal mechanism.

More lies on his views.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Ok, he wants to eliminate most of the foreign military bases, what happens if we need to be in a part of the world that we don't have immediate access to due to the fact that we no longer have a base there to provide a point for soldiers and equipment to be deployed effectively?

drones.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Yes, people who deny evolution are ignorant. It doesn't matter what their qualifications are. You almost certainly do not know my education level.

your an unaccomplished nobody liberal posting on a forum, subjective criticisms you pull out of your ass. What else is their to know?
 
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