Ron Paul for President

[IceBergSLiM]

They don't play a majority role, his other policies are bad enough all on their own. It's just the icing on the cake.

Ron Paul has been consistently predicting disaster for years. A stopped watch and all. His ideas for what caused the housing bubble (fannie and freddie) are incorrect and so I have no idea why he should be taken more seriously for predicting something with the wrong causal mechanism.

links? anything to back yourself up? no didn't thinks so....I've had enough

 

[soundforbjt]

drones.

Sorry, that is not a reasonable response.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Sorry, that is not a reasonable response.

you haven't made a valid argument for why we need bases these days so my response was just as reasonable as your claim. Citing a non-specific what-if scenario is hardly a solid basis for backing your argument.

Why don't we have a military base on the moon because what-if one day we need it and its not there?

 

[soundforbjt]

you haven't made a valid argument for why we need bases these days so my response was just as reasonable as your claim. Citing a non-specific what-if scenario is hardly a solid basis for backing your argument.

Why don't we have a military base on the moon because what-if one day we need it and its not there?

Why do you think we have bases there now? Germany's base has been a vital part of the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. The information is easy to find if you look. Many soldiers would be dead if it were'nt for the foreign bases such as Germany.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Why do you think we have bases there now? Germany's base has been a vital part of the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. The information is easy to find if you look. Many soldiers would be dead if it were'nt for the foreign bases such as Germany.

if we aren't participating in endless war with Iraq and Afghanistan... then we wouldn't need it.....see where I'm going with this?

In the event we did need it germany would accomodate us. They are our friends.

 

[soundforbjt]

if we aren't participating in endless war with Iraq and Afghanistan... then we wouldn't need it.....see where I'm going with this?

In the event we did need it germany would accomodate us. They are our friends.

They are our friends because we are there. I agree the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are worthless, but that's not the sole issue for the bases being there.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

They are our friends because we are there. I agree the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are worthless, but that's not the sole issue for the bases being there.

ok so you still haven't presented any compelling evidence. We can leave a skeleton crew in place where there is a long term strategic reason for it. We don't need the 100's of billions in war spend. Moving forward their will be less and less reason for "boots on the ground" in any conflict.

 

[soundforbjt]

ok so you still haven't presented any compelling evidence. We can leave a skeleton crew in place where there is a long term strategic reason for it. We don't need the 100's of billions in war spend

You obviously don't know the logistics to fighting a war. I'm far from being an expert in that area either, but I can see the reasoning behind it. A skeleton crew would not be enough. You need hospitals, operations, intel, etc.

Please note: I'm also pretty much anti-war unless absolutely necessary.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

You obviously don't know the logistics to fighting a war. I'm far from being an expert in that area either, but I can see the reasoning behind it. A skeleton crew would not be enough. You need hospitals, operations, intel, etc.

Please note: I'm also pretty much anti-war unless absolutely necessary.

then I don't know why your so staunchly against this. We can cross the "war" bridge if and when we get to it. What-if isn't valid reasoning when it comes to blowing my tax dollars with so much broken here at home.

 

[soundforbjt]

then I don't know why your so staunchly against this. We can cross the "war" bridge if and when we get to it. What-if isn't valid reasoning when it comes to blowing my tax dollars with so much broken here at home.

The question someone posed was what ideas RP had was "crazy", I'm merely pointing out one of them. And it's not a "what-if", the bases have proven their value in multiple conflicts, whether I agree with us being in those conflicts or not.

 

[First]

The man has been wrong going on 30+ years now, something that can be documented with a simple YouTube search of his dire predictions of dollar collapse in the late 70's and early 80's, his dire predictions of recessions and collapse in that same period of time (instead, we've have massive growth). Add in his batshit loony stances on widely debunked notions of gold standards and top it off with anti-evolution nonsense and you have a guy that is thoroughly wrong for the country. Anyone that denies the well established fact of evolution due to blind ideology can't be trusted to have good judgment in important affairs of state, especially when you can head over to any standard laboratory and quite literally prove evolution in said lab.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

The question someone posed was what ideas RP had was "crazy", I'm merely pointing out one of them. And it's not a "what-if", the bases have proven their value in multiple conflicts, whether I agree with us being in those conflicts or not.

Thats taken out of context though so of course it doesn't make sense. Closing bases without putting it in the larger context of pulling out of our foreign conflicts and not putting our nose in every squabble on the global stage would negate the need and usefulness of said bases. Painfully obvious logic.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

The man has been wrong going on 30+ years now, something that can be documented with a simple YouTube search of his dire predictions of dollar collapse in the late 70's and early 80's, his dire predictions of recessions and collapse in that same period of time (instead, we've have massive growth). Add in his batshit loony stances on widely debunked notions of gold standards and top it off with anti-evolution nonsense and you have a guy that is thoroughly wrong for the country. Anyone that denies the well established fact of evolution due to blind ideology can't be trusted to have good judgment in important affairs of state, especially when you can head over to any standard laboratory and quite literally prove evolution in said lab.

Dire predictions of dollar collapse and recession. Well he's been dead on the economic collapse and recession(actually depression) .......so his timeline wasn't as precise but that doesn't change much. The dollar hasn't collapsed...yet...lets see what happens after QE3 and Russia/china force a change in the reserve currency.

Again as mentioned before if you want to contest something please cite something relevant from his restore america plan instead of vague references to youtube videos.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

 

[soulcougher73]

I'd vote for and have voted for him in the past. Can't beat his track record. He is honest and uncorruptable. Something we need right now to make any real meaningful changes this country so desperately needs.

 

[First]

Dire predictions of dollar collapse and recession. Well he's been dead on the economic collapse and recession(actually depression)

No, he has been saying the same bullshit for 30 years, no one particularly well informed about reality thinks someone predicting the same thing for 30 years is "right" when it eventually happens (and even then, Paul has never EVER detailed exactly what would collapse and why, other than saying the dollar would, which he has been laughably wrong about).

.......so his timeline wasn't as precise but that doesn't change much.

I can't tell if this is a serious statement. Timelines mean everything in economics, there are few things as important as timing.

The dollar hasn't collapsed...yet...lets see what happens after QE3 and Russia/china force a change in the reserve currency.

lmao.

Again as mentioned before if you want to contest something please cite something relevant from his restore america plan instead of vague references to youtube videos.

There's nothing vague about direct statements Paul has made on gold standards, evolution and the dollar. He has been wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

There's nothing vague about direct statements Paul has made on gold standards, evolution and the dollar. He has been wrong, wrong, wrong.

waiting on those citations from his plan to restore america. Thanks

or any citation in general to back up anything you said and youtube links aren't citation.(at least at my university they aren't)

 

[PricklyPete]

Sure!

1.) Return to the gold standard or other commodity based currency. (he thinks paper money is unconstitutional, hahahaha)
2.) Is against UHC.
3.) Is a global warming denier.
4.) Is an evolution doubter.
5.) Is anti-abortion.

I could go on, but I don't feel like writing any more on someone who really doesn't matter.

Thanks. I don't find any of those ideas looney. I don't have a lot expertise in economics and don't know what type of fallout would surround the gold standard. The rest of these "looney ideas" sound perfectly reasonable to me. To be clear on the anti-abortion rhetoric, it is my understanding that he is anti-abortion, but does not feel that it should be made illegal at a federal level, but that it should be a state's decision. I could care less if he is sold on global warming or evolution (and I'm an atheist).

 

[First]

waiting on those citations from his plan to restore america. Thanks

or any citation in general to back up anything you said.

lol, so wait, I can only limit my criticisms to Paul's "Restore America" web site and not words directly from his mouth? lol.

Here's a good delineation of just how out touch Ron Paul is, on economics specifically:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6epCVUppjJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMe_7-hmHHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgCq75g_M7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCnzr566RR0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTljuxZYJ9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgK0vHZtwno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c9G_XuIX_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e9sPjflrxc

Since 1983 (and years before that, I just don't have the video at the moment), he has been claiming that the very crux of the financial system (fiat money supply, the Federal Reserve) should be abolished in favor of no Fed and gold-backed dollars using fixed exchange rates. So, how long did it take for Paul to get it right about the entire financial system collapsing? Never, though if this current crisis were to be it (it isn’t), it will have been decades.

Also, Ron Paul says global warming a hoax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_fkKf0PUlg
Ron Paul says Fed does favor for “friends”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l9UpptF5z4

Seriously, too easy. And that's shit I wrote years ago. I won't even get into Paul's own economic adviser being monstrously wrong about the dollar.

 

[PricklyPete]

prove evolution in said lab

That's right...you can prove it. That whole "Theory" bit is just a bunch of science nonsense that has no place in the real world. /sarcasm

I'm an atheist and feel that evolution is a good explanation of how things came about...but to say someone who disagrees is a looney primarily because he does not agree with the "Theory of Evolution" seems pretty extreme.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

lol, so wait, I can only limit my criticisms to Paul's "Restore America" web site and not words directly from his mouth? lol.

Here's a good delineation of just how out touch Ron Paul is, on economics specifically:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6epCVUppjJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMe_7-hmHHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgCq75g_M7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCnzr566RR0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTljuxZYJ9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgK0vHZtwno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c9G_XuIX_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e9sPjflrxc

Since 1983 (and years before that, I just don't have the video at the moment), he has been claiming that the very crux of the financial system (fiat money supply, the Federal Reserve) should be abolished in favor of no Fed and gold-backed dollars using fixed exchange rates. So, how long did it take for Paul to get it right about the entire financial system collapsing? Never, though if this current crisis were to be it (it isn’t), it will have been decades.

Also, Ron Paul says global warming a hoax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_fkKf0PUlg
Ron Paul says Fed does favor for “friends”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l9UpptF5z4

Seriously, too easy. And that's shit I wrote years ago. I won't even get into Paul's own economic adviser being monstrously wrong about the dollar.

I get your a youtube scholar.

What university did you goto that allow you to cite youtube in your academic work?

The financial system is collapsing right now do you read the paper or just watch you tube?

We are teetering on the edge of a cliff. The slightest of nudges and this deck of cards is coming down. It might come down anyways.

Please show me a graph detailing the value of the dollar since 1913. The fiat system has been debasing the currency through inflation. inflation adjusted, blue collar wages are lower than they've been in 30 years!

 

[llee]

Sure, you may disagree with Ron Paul on some positions e.g. gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, etc. His position advocates for states to deal with those topics because the federal government doesn't have the jurisdiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

Read before you attack. Ron Paul is making it clear that his personal opinions will not interfere with public policy.

 

[momeNt]

I'm glad enough people are taking the time to learn about Dr. Paul in an effort to refute what he stands by. This type of notoriety will only help advance his ideas, while a few may indeed be like "Whoah, batshit crazy". Many will agree with him and eventually either put Dr. Paul in office, or someone else once the people have finally had enough of the status quo.

 

[Aikouka]

Abortion and Evolution shouldn't play a majority role in deciding who the " Leader " of our country is.

Which of the other candidates were warning people about the housing bubble and other financial catastrophes for the past 20+ years?

I somewhat agree with you. If we're looking at strictly someone's beliefs, they shouldn't matter on their own terms. However, you need to consider the politicians ability to separate their beliefs from the political mindset. Regardless of what faith they have, they need to make proper decisions.

I'm not religious at all, but I have no problem voting for a devout candidate as long as they're willing to make rational, non-faith-based decisions. Unfortunately, this seems to never be the case. So, at this point, if I see a very religious candidate, I consider their actions will be "tainted by religion" unless they can show otherwise. Guilty before proven innocent.

 

[airdata]

I know I've asked in other threads. But If you're a Ron Paul detractor, please include in your post who you intend to vote for in 2012. Alot of people would like to laugh at whichever person you're going to vote for since they are all a complete joke.

 

[Arkaign]

Why do you think we have bases there now? Germany's base has been a vital part of the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. The information is easy to find if you look. Many soldiers would be dead if it were'nt for the foreign bases such as Germany.

Resources can be allocated on an as-needed basis. Maintaining literally hundreds of bases abroad is financially and tactically insane, and often counter-productive logically (ie; investing tens of hundreds of millions into an installation, manpower, and supplies for decades with little to no use).

For power projection, the CBGs are second to none.

In all honesty a few foreign-soil bases make sense, but it would be good to review their use and flexibility on an ongoing basis.

It makes more sense to be cooperative with our allies as much as possible, and to avoid being global police.