Ron Paul pulls into second in Iowa

[matt0611]

OK, i finished reading the newsletters, to me, it just doesn't sound like him, I know other people have wrote for those newsletters so I'm inclined to believe him since nothing that I can confirm that he has wrote or said matches that kind of language.

Though I doubt there is any way to proove that he did not write them, I'm inclined to believe he didn't and that he's not racist based on other things he has said.

I won't try to convince people who don't believe him though. Its up to you weather you believe him or not.

 

[RabidMongoose]

OK, i finished reading the newsletters, to me, it just doesn't sound like him, I know other people have wrote for those newsletters so I'm inclined to believe him since nothing that I can confirm that he has wrote or said matches that kind of language.

Though I doubt there is any way to proove that he did not write them, I'm inclined to believe he didn't and that he's not racist based on other things he has said.

I won't try to convince people who don't believe him though. You can either believe him or not.

It doesn't matter if it sounds like him or if it doesn't sound like him. They were released under his name for years and then he subsequently defended them. So even if you don't believe that he wrote them, he still defended them and, as such, is a racist piece of shit.

 

[BansheeX]

It doesn't matter if it sounds like him or if it doesn't sound like him. They were released under his name for years and then he subsequently defended them. So even if you don't believe that he wrote them, he still defended them and, as such, is a racist piece of shit.

Probably because the guy who wrote them was an otherwise a frustrated friend who he was unwilling to throw under the bus. Stop seeing this as some big deal. You sound desperate to discredit Paul for some reason.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Probably because the guy who wrote them was an otherwise a frustrated friend who he was unwilling to throw under the bus. Stop seeing this as some big deal. You sound desperate to discredit Paul for some reason.

'Frustrated friend'? You mean a horrible piece of shit racist friend who is also your political ally and one time chief of staff? And again, Racist Ron Paul DEFENDED the newsletters.

You seem pretty desperate to make excuses for racists. 'Frustrated' friend. Yeah, normal people become massive racists when they're frustrated. Good one. And, what was he, frustrated for years and years so that he published racist newsletters whenever he got frustrated?

 

[dank69]

My responses in bold.

Less taxes = better for everyone? How do you think we got into debt trouble? We lowered taxes so much that we can't cover our spending.

 

[SilthDraeth]

These are the key articles.

Ron Paul was right btw.

Here is a youtube video of a story of a black kid, who is 12 years old, leaping fences like a gazelle, and when a cop almost catches him, the kid 1 shots the cop.

The witnesses say that the dogs couldn't keep up with him.

Finally the kid was cornered. But this kid proved that black kids in gangs committing crimes are really strong and fast.
http://youtu.be/SUHJ-Wq4PuY

 

[fskimospy]

OK, i finished reading the newsletters, to me, it just doesn't sound like him, I know other people have wrote for those newsletters so I'm inclined to believe him since nothing that I can confirm that he has wrote or said matches that kind of language.

Though I doubt there is any way to proove that he did not write them, I'm inclined to believe he didn't and that he's not racist based on other things he has said.

I won't try to convince people who don't believe him though. Its up to you weather you believe him or not.

Seriously man, as someone else said it doesn't matter if he wrote them or not. He came out and defended their content so at a minimum he agreed with what they said. That's pretty shitty.

If you're going to support Ron Paul that's your business. He may not hold those beliefs now, but if you're going to support him you should be able to recognize that in the past he was a pretty huge racist.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I think that the problem appears to be that some people feel that Ron Paul is infallible, he's almost like some sort of a religious figure. It's really fascinating that people can worship such a racist piece of shit like that crazy old man Ron Paul.

 

[soundforbjt]

I think that the problem appears to be that some people feel that Ron Paul is infallible, he's almost like some sort of a religious figure. It's really fascinating that people can worship such a racist piece of shit like that crazy old man Ron Paul.

It's mainly his libertopian ideas that alot of his rabid followers take to so feverishly. The reality that most of them could or would never be implemented, doesn't seem to enter into their minds.

 

[fskimospy]

It's mainly his libertopian ideas that alot of his rabid followers take to so feverishly. The reality that most of them could or would never be implemented, doesn't seem to enter into their minds.

Well that's the comforting part about libertopian views, you never have the burden of worrying that someone might actually implement them. That way you can basically say whatever you want.

 

[SilthDraeth]

http://youtu.be/SUHJ-Wq4PuY

 

[RabidMongoose]

It's mainly his libertopian ideas that alot of his rabid followers take to so feverishly. The reality that most of them could or would never be implemented, doesn't seem to enter into their minds.

I think that most of his followers just hear these random phrases like "civil liberties!!" and "end the war on drugs!" and then they think that he's actually for individual rights, but little do they know that they've been deceived by a crazy old racist piece of shit who doesn't even give a shit about individual rights or liberties, he's all about the states and using that to implement his racist desires.

Ron Paul is George Wallace v2.0. He is a horrible human being.

 

[fskimospy]

http://youtu.be/SUHJ-Wq4PuY

lol. 'black kids in gangs committing crimes are really strong and fast.'

Is there any level that Ron Paul supporters won't stoop to? You know you can still support him even though he was a huge racist in the past. I've seen no evidence that he continues to hold those views.

 

[Jhhnn]

lol. 'black kids in gangs committing crimes are really strong and fast.'

Is there any level that Ron Paul supporters won't stoop to? You know you can still support him even though he was a huge racist in the past. I've seen no evidence that he continues to hold those views.

They're caught in a bind. On the one hand, they love to vilify Robert Byrd who denounced his racist past, but idolize Ron Paul, even though his past is similar. The way they get around that is to deny that Ron Paul ever held racist views, or supported them.

The truth doesn't matter- Faith conquers all, and Ron Paul is telling them what they want to hear *right now*, so they *believe in him*.

The whole thing about the 12 year old gang member is, of course, racist to its core...

 

[Anarchist420]

It doesn't matter if it sounds like him or if it doesn't sound like him. They were released under his name for years and then he subsequently defended them. So even if you don't believe that he wrote them, he still defended them and, as such, is a racist piece of shit.

He never defended them. If you can show me where he defended them, then that would be honest.

Really, I think that if Dr. Paul was racist, he'd flat out say he was. He's not capable of holding in deep seated feelings. He'd just say, "hey, I was racist in the 80s and that's the truth" and accept whatever the consequences would be.

Earlier this year, Lew Rockwell even said he wanted more illegal immigrants and he's a defender of Muslims, few of whom are white. He's admitted that he's moved to the left.

A lot of people who were born before the 60s were racist, but then they changed later in life. However, Dr. Paul was never racist. He'd say he was. If you'd ever read liberty defined, then you'd see he wasn't racist and he came to the defense of Hispanics when he said a lot of people of European descent probably resent the work ethic of the former.

The reason the MSM is pulling these last minute attacks is so their precious Ultra PC leftist neocon Gingrich has a chance. The reason why the beltway libertarians made such an issue out of it a few years ago is because they wanted Giuliani to win and because they were still bitter about losing control of the LP. They're in desparation mode because if Dr. Paul becomes President Paul, they'll be so discredited that they'll just go out of business. The government is basically the MSM's lifeblood and if centralization of power goes away, so does the MSM.

 

[RabidMongoose]

He never defended them. If you can show me where he defended them, then that would be honest.

Of course he defended them. Articles have already been posted here time and time again. It's the Paulbots who have gone so far as to pretend that these racist episodes never existed, even though Paul himself has acknowledged them.

Really, I think that if Dr. Paul was racist, he'd flat out say he was. He's not capable of holding in deep seated feelings. He'd just say, "hey, I was racist in the 80s and that's the truth" and accept whatever the consequences would be.

No, he wouldn't say that because it would hurt him politically and he's the biggest fake out of all of the politicians in quite some time.

Earlier this year, Lew Rockwell even said he wanted more illegal immigrants and he's a defender of Muslims, few of whom are white. He's admitted that he's moved to the left.

A lot of people who were born before the 60s were racist, but then they changed later in life. However, Dr. Paul was never racist. He'd say he was. If you'd ever read liberty defined, then you'd see he wasn't racist and he came to the defense of Hispanics when he said a lot of people of European descent probably resent the work ethic of the former.

The reason the MSM is pulling these last minute attacks is so their precious Ultra PC leftist neocon Gingrich has a chance. The reason why the beltway libertarians made such an issue out of it a few years ago is because they wanted Giuliani to win and because they were still bitter about losing control of the LP. They're in desparation mode because if Dr. Paul becomes President Paul, they'll be so discredited that they'll just go out of business. The government is basically the MSM's lifeblood and if centralization of power goes away, so does the MSM.

The "MSM" isn't even covering this stuff. They've been deceived, just like the Paulbots, into thinking that Paul actually is for civil liberties and such, but in reality Paul is a massive racist who has a platform to enable him and other racist filth like him to implement their racist agenda.

Ron Paul is a disgusting human being.

 

[matt0611]

Ron got bad advice, he should have never defended the articles, his campaign staff said it would be too complicated to explain that he didn't write them etc.

Its not even in dispute that other people wrote for those letters, there was a lot of them and he didn't read many of them.

I still haven't seen any conclusive evidence that he's a racist.

Until any one can show me any actual positions he's held, anything he's voted for, bill introduced or anything on tv, radio, speech, or any of his book writings then I'll take his word for it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ultra PC leftist neocon Gingrich

Remarkable blend of hallucinogens you're using...

 

[RabidMongoose]

Ron got bad advice, he should have never defended the articles, his campaign staff said it would be too complicated to explain that he didn't write them etc.

Its not even in dispute that other people wrote for those letters, there was a lot of them and he didn't read many of them.

I still haven't seen any conclusive evidence that he's a racist.

Until any one can show me any actual positions he's held, anything he's voted for, bill introduced or anything on tv, radio, speech, or any of his book writings then I'll take his word for it.

That's because you make convenient excuses. Apparently it's too complicated to denounce racism as opposed to defending racist newsletters. Someone else said that when Ron Paul's friend who wrote the racist ron paul newsletter becomes frustrated, then he apparently writes racist shit for 20 years.

Ron Paul didn't need to explain that he didn't write the newsletters. He just needed to say that the newsletters were vile racist shit and not defend them. That would have been less complicated and more principled than defending racist newsletters.

There is no excuse for Ron Paul defending his newsletters. And now apparently we get this excuse that he was afraid of denouncing racist newsletters. Man, talk about a lack of principles. This crazy old man really has no spine. He looks like it, too. He can't even wear a suit properly. What a stupid racist piece of shit.

 

[matt0611]

That's because you make convenient excuses. Apparently it's too complicated to denounce racism as opposed to defending racist newsletters. Someone else said that when Ron Paul's friend who wrote the racist ron paul newsletter becomes frustrated, then he apparently writes racist shit for 20 years.

Ron Paul didn't need to explain that he didn't write the newsletters. He just needed to say that the newsletters were vile racist shit and not defend them. That would have been less complicated and more principled than defending racist newsletters.

There is no excuse for Ron Paul defending his newsletters. And now apparently we get this excuse that he was afraid of denouncing racist newsletters. Man, talk about a lack of principles. This crazy old man really has no spine. He looks like it, too. He can't even wear a suit properly. What a stupid racist piece of shit.

If he was so racists then why have many black people that know him including the head of the Austin NAACP come out to defend him about it?

Sorry, I'll take their word over some random foaming-at-the-mouth idiot like yours any day.

 

[RabidMongoose]

If he was so racists then why have many black people that know him including the head of the Austin NAACP come out to defend him about it?

Sorry, I'll take their word over some random foaming-at-the-mouth idiot like yours any day.

So if you have a black friend that makes you a non-racist?

Yup, typical Paul fan excuses.

Ron Paul has a very racist past. Look at the excuses that are being made up by Paul fans with one of them posting up a bizarre video to justify Paul's racist statements. Look at you where you tried to justify the defense of racism by racist old man Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a racist, but Ron Paul fans are desperately trying to justify his racism with bizarre excuses like it's better to defend racism than to denounce racism. Good job on that one.

 

[matt0611]

So if you have a black friend that makes you a non-racist?

Yup, typical Paul fan excuses.

Ron Paul has a very racist past. Look at the excuses that are being made up by Paul fans with one of them posting up a bizarre video to justify Paul's racist statements. Look at you where you tried to justify the defense of racism by racist old man Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a racist, but Ron Paul fans are desperately trying to justify his racism with bizarre excuses like it's better to defend racism than to denounce racism. Good job on that one.

Lol, nope, never said that. Reading fail.

I never said it was better to defend racism then to denounce. Fuck, you're dumb as shit.

 

[RabidMongoose]

You pretty much did.

Anyways, you also pretty much said that it's better to defend racism. How low are you willing to bring yourself in order to justify that crazy old racist piece of shit Ron Paul?

 

[RabidMongoose]

I wonder what kind of other excuses Ron Paul fans will use to justify that crazy old man's racist filth. We've already seen "his friends were frustrated" and "it's less complicated to defend racism."

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I really see this Ron Paul newsletter story as one where it's completely stupid to blame the messenger (in this case, RabidMongoose), since it's Paul's own words being used against him. I have a hard time seeing how he or anyone else can plausibly defend the newsletters, and his own actions in defending them back in 1996 really undermine the (already-implausible) argument that they were created without his knowledge. I view all of this as a big deal, and only a truly desperate Paul supporter could even argue that these is nothing more than a media conspiracy to ruin Paul's chances, not that he had any real chance to begin with.