Ron Paul Shock Newsletters Unearthed

[JEDIYoda]

What`s amazing is all the Ronnnie zealots resorting to name calling and such...yet when they post links supposedly refuting that he saids any of this stuff the links actually say he admits to saying it...so what do we do keep going in circles...

Then they hold Pabster to a different set of standards than they hold themselves too....

Whats actually very tragic IMO is most of the zealots can`t even vote. Yet because this is America we all get to speak freely.
Even on these forums the mods give all of us a lot of leeway to speak freely.

Thank You Mod`s!!

Peace and may the best person win the election!!

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: MadRat
There is nothing to refute. None of what you said is even linked to Ron Paul.

You're the only one stuck on your claims.

Look at the links i posted, they show the original scans, from 1978 up to the early 90's. It was HIS newsletter, and he even admitted that.

But they're not his opinions.

When you're a fringe candidate, you're going to get supporters from the fringe. That doesn't make the candidate responsible for everything they say.
And right, wrong, or indifferent, they have the right to speak as much as anyone else, whether you might like what they have to say or not.

Here's an analogy... some people here don't like me because I tend to be confrontational and mock and be sarcastic to be people with silly, extremist, or strongly partisan opinions. But OTOH, I would never think to silence them. From Stormfront to the communist party, they have the right to speak regardless of whether I like what they have to say or not.
However, there are people who would like to silence such speech, either directly or (even worse) indirectly by holding people not actually responsible for such speech accountable by proxy, like you're doing here. And those are the people that I really don't like.

So if i'm in public office and i put out a newsletter, a few questionable things get printed, to get off the hook, I'll I have to say is "those ideas aren't mine.?"

Is it far of a stretch to say a newsletter that supported racists, and conspiracy ideas, would attract racists and conspiracy supporters?

But I'm not saying so-and-so says this about Ron Paul. This is stuff that came out was from his offical newsletters, over the course of years. If he did he not read his own letter, did no one come up and say, " hey Ron, about some of this stuff your putting out..."

An explanation beyond, " it was a long time ago, already been over it" i think is needed.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

January 8, 2008

Today, as New Hampshire voters headed to the polls, The New Republic published an article carefully timed to hurt Ron Paul.

This article rehashes an old issue of quotations from newsletters published under Dr. Paul's name, but not edited by him. Dr. Paul takes full responsibility, as he has for over a decade, for failing to adequately monitor the words that went out under his name.

You and I know that Dr. Paul's message of freedom is about individual liberty, and that liberty is the best antidote to racism. If anyone has doubts, I would encourage them to read Dr. Paul's issue page on racism.

Dr. Paul's response to the article is posted here. As you would expect, Congressman Paul denounces racism and embraces instead, the hopeful message of freedom -- the message he has championed for decades.

Sincerely,

Kent Snyder
Chairman, Ron Paul 2008



Do with it what you will. As stated earlier, this is old news that has been refuted long ago.

 

[techs]

Hey, Ron Paul had a Voter Bomb in New Hampshire.
Did you read about it?

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
What`s amazing is all the Ronnnie zealots resorting to name calling and such...yet when they post links supposedly refuting that he saids any of this stuff the links actually say he admits to saying it...so what do we do keep going in circles...

Then they hold Pabster to a different set of standards than they hold themselves too....

Whats actually very tragic IMO is most of the zealots can`t even vote. Yet because this is America we all get to speak freely.
Even on these forums the mods give all of us a lot of leeway to speak freely.

Thank You Mod`s!!

Peace and may the best person win the election!!

That is why i chimed on in.

 

[CitizenKain]

You know, it takes guts to hold a money bomb on a date celebrating someone that Paul accuses, as "King, the FBI files show, was only a world-class adulterer, he also seduced underage girls and boys.", and "And are we supposed to honor this "Christian minister" and lying socialist satyr with a holiday that puts him on a par with George Washington?" Hmm..not big on gays either: "The only safe sex, medically and morally is that between husband and wife."
This is from the file named december1990.pdf, page 2.
Here is where I got them from, a mirror for the rush the originating site got them: http://www.mediafire.com/?2dkkganzri3

I look forward to name calling and back pedaling.

 

[dualsmp]

This is wayy old news, and obvious smear tactic. Wonder why the media ignores the Clinton's cocaine drug dealin' down in Mena? That seems like a juicier tidbit than this nonsense.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: techs
Hey, Ron Paul had a Voter Bomb in New Hampshire.
Did you read about it?

You mean he got 6x times the percentage of votes than Kucinich got?

An explanation beyond, " it was a long time ago, already been over it" i think is needed.

Wow... nice straw man, shrumpage. If you can't be intellectually honest, don't pretend that you have any morality at all. The explanation is that they were never his views in the first place.

 

[Crumbelievable]

I'm voting for Ron Paul. It's sad that people are trying to ruin a good mans chances at success by any means possible. Firstly: most of those alleged comments fall in the CRITICISM category. Homosexuals and MLK are not allowed to be criticized? Sure maybe not in TODAYS "PC" world but back then hell yes! Don't judge the past by what's the acceptable "norm" now. It's absolutely unfair. I can't stress that enough. Know the difference between CRITICISM and RACISM. Left wingers routinely mis label criticism as racism. This faulty logic has slowly become widespread nowadays. Criticise an "offlimit" topic or group and OH NO HERE COME THE CRYS OF RACISM! People need to stop reacting like 12 year old teens who who just heard their dad say the "F word" for the first time. People need to grow up and get real and start thinking for themselves rather than defering to "popular consensus" on how they should judge something. Turn the f..king TV off and think for yourself.

Secondly: Ron Paul did not write most of those things so this whole defamatory attempt is null.

Lastly let me just say that I am extremely sickened by much of the media (TV, newpapers etc) trying to marginalize and ridicule Ron Paul. I heard one NH "news" paper printed this story in an obvious attempt to shut him down. And who knows how many more have done the same. Then there's the "secret ballot" counting and of course electronic voting machines. Why do people trust these again? What's going on in America right now disgusts me beyond belief. I'm strongly considering moving somewhere else.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
looks like someone's scared

of black gay Jews!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: sirjonk
looks like someone's scared

of black gay Jews!

was that called for???

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: techs
Hey, Ron Paul had a Voter Bomb in New Hampshire.
Did you read about it?

You mean he got 6x times the percentage of votes than Kucinich got?

An explanation beyond, " it was a long time ago, already been over it" i think is needed.

Wow... nice straw man, shrumpage. If you can't be intellectually honest, don't pretend that you have any morality at all. The explanation is that they were never his views in the first place.

How is that statement a strawman?

From RP himself:

This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade.

hen I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a
newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several
writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have
publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention
to what went out under my name.

Almost everyone jumped on the OP saying this isn't true, it's made up, where is the evidence, etc. I was just backing the OP, cause he was right.

My own opinion is, a more detailed explanation should be given. Just to help clear up the issues. Though it does help explain why racists and consipracists are attracted to Ron Paul.

 

[Gaard]

We have a couple of pedophiles in P&N?

 

[Noobtastic]

I once called MLK a pedophile in history class.

Regret it to this day....: (

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Who cares what he said or didn't say in the past!

HE SURGED TO FIFTH PLACE IN NH!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
What`s amazing is all the Ronnnie zealots resorting to name calling and such...yet when they post links supposedly refuting that he saids any of this stuff the links actually say he admits to saying it...so what do we do keep going in circles...

Then they hold Pabster to a different set of standards than they hold themselves too....

Whats actually very tragic IMO is most of the zealots can`t even vote. Yet because this is America we all get to speak freely.
Even on these forums the mods give all of us a lot of leeway to speak freely.

Thank You Mod`s!!

Peace and may the best person win the election!!

This business about the Ron Paul newsletters is news to me so I do not consider that the OP to be a troll.

I find the explanation that though Paul sponsored the newsletters, he did not know what was being published under his banner to reflect a Ronald Reagan-like levels of incompetence. Paul is lying or he is too stupid to track what is being written by people using his name. Either way do you really want someone for president who would let this sort of thing to happen?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: dualsmp
This is wayy old news, and obvious smear tactic. Wonder why the media ignores the Clinton's cocaine drug dealin' down in Mena? That seems like a juicier tidbit than this nonsense.

They ignore it, because so much of the base and the establishment was in on it.

Ron Paul's a nobody. He's expendable.

EDIT: In case anyone wonders about the Mena Cocaine Experiment, look around for "Clinton Chronicles"

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Crumbelievable
I'm voting for Ron Paul. It's sad that people are trying to ruin a good mans chances at success by any means possible. Firstly: most of those alleged comments fall in the CRITICISM category. Homosexuals and MLK are not allowed to be criticized? Sure maybe not in TODAYS "PC" world but back then hell yes! Don't judge the past by what's the acceptable "norm" now. It's absolutely unfair. I can't stress that enough. Know the difference between CRITICISM and RACISM. Left wingers routinely mis label criticism as racism. This faulty logic has slowly become widespread nowadays. Criticise an "offlimit" topic or group and OH NO HERE COME THE CRYS OF RACISM! People need to stop reacting like 12 year old teens who who just heard their dad say the "F word" for the first time. People need to grow up and get real and start thinking for themselves rather than defering to "popular consensus" on how they should judge something. Turn the f..king TV off and think for yourself.

Secondly: Ron Paul did not write most of those things so this whole defamatory attempt is null.

Lastly let me just say that I am extremely sickened by much of the media (TV, newpapers etc) trying to marginalize and ridicule Ron Paul. I heard one NH "news" paper printed this story in an obvious attempt to shut him down. And who knows how many more have done the same. Then there's the "secret ballot" counting and of course electronic voting machines. Why do people trust these again? What's going on in America right now disgusts me beyond belief. I'm strongly considering moving somewhere else.

Funny, you are acting just like the people you describe whenever people bring up information regarding everyone's favorite sleepy racist grandpa.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Gaard
We have a couple of pedophiles in P&N?

I saw it on the web so it must be true, and Pabster and JediYoda have yet to disprove it.

 

[GoPackGo]

He is done.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
He is done.

:thumbsup:

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
He is done.

:thumbsup:

The real question is he going to return that 20 million dollars?

 

[Crumbelievable]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Crumbelievable
I'm voting for Ron Paul. It's sad that people are trying to ruin a good mans chances at success by any means possible. Firstly: most of those alleged comments fall in the CRITICISM category. Homosexuals and MLK are not allowed to be criticized? Sure maybe not in TODAYS "PC" world but back then hell yes! Don't judge the past by what's the acceptable "norm" now. It's absolutely unfair. I can't stress that enough. Know the difference between CRITICISM and RACISM. Left wingers routinely mis label criticism as racism. This faulty logic has slowly become widespread nowadays. Criticise an "offlimit" topic or group and OH NO HERE COME THE CRYS OF RACISM! People need to stop reacting like 12 year old teens who who just heard their dad say the "F word" for the first time. People need to grow up and get real and start thinking for themselves rather than defering to "popular consensus" on how they should judge something. Turn the f..king TV off and think for yourself.

Secondly: Ron Paul did not write most of those things so this whole defamatory attempt is null.

Lastly let me just say that I am extremely sickened by much of the media (TV, newpapers etc) trying to marginalize and ridicule Ron Paul. I heard one NH "news" paper printed this story in an obvious attempt to shut him down. And who knows how many more have done the same. Then there's the "secret ballot" counting and of course electronic voting machines. Why do people trust these again? What's going on in America right now disgusts me beyond belief. I'm strongly considering moving somewhere else.

Funny, you are acting just like the people you describe whenever people bring up information regarding everyone's favorite sleepy racist grandpa.

Do you understand the difference between criticism and racism? Like if I said the city of Compton is a very dangerous place for white people to be and that they would most likely not come out alive if they went there at night. Does that mean I'm a "racist" no it means I'm a REALIST who refuses to pretend everything is dandy in Maybury. I'm calling the situation as I see it AKA "criticism". But this is really beside the point since RP has stated he did not write most those things.

 

[CitizenKain]

Sure he didn't. He just let them be published in a newsletter with his name on it for years and he just now noticed. Except the articles he wrote. Have you read anything posted in the newsletters? I know asking a Paul fan to do actual research is pointless, but give it a shot. Although at this point, it doesn't really matter, he lost, and lost big.

 

[compuwiz1]

Well, now this stuff is on CNN Some of it must be true. :shocked: