Rose Bowl Thread - USC v. Michigan

[her209]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209
Ohio St. must be thanking their lucky stars they didn't have to face USC in the NCG huh?

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Weren't you one of the whiny ones who wanted a rematch?

Whiny? No. I wanted the national championship game to be between the best two teams in the country. Even at the end of the season, most people agreed that the best two teams in the country were OSU and UM. The only reason Florida is in the national championship game is because UM had already lost to OSU, and because UM and OSU are in the same conference - not because people believed that Florida was a better team than UM. I objected to that reasoning, and thought that UM deserved to be in the national championship game on the basis that they were generally believed to be the second best team in the country.

OSU doesn't have to thank their lucky stars that they don't have to face USC in the national championship game, they only have to thank USC for proving - twice - that they don't deserve to be there.

Yes, and after tonight, I don't think Ohio St. could hang with USC. Michigan proved to be a pushover team against USC and that was Ohio St. "toughest" game all year. That was my point.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Heck even musburger compared him to TO. All I'm saying is the actions arent necessary, fired up or not. It's cool to be excited but dont shove it in another teams face.

I'm usually pretty hard on players when they act like jerks and over-celebrate, but the high stepping into the endzone is common and I thought it was pretty funny that Jaret handed the defender the ball after he won the jump-ball catch..wasn't mean.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Heck even musburger compared him to TO. All I'm saying is the actions arent necessary, fired up or not. It's cool to be excited but dont shove it in another teams face.

I'm usually pretty hard on players when they act like jerks and over-celebrate, but the high stepping into the endzone is common and I thought it was pretty funny that Jaret handed the defender the ball after he won the jump-ball catch..wasn't mean.

Which was a taunt to that player. That was the same player he pointed at as he high stepped into the end zone. High stepping is fine but finger pointing like 'i got you burned' isnt really necessary.

Like I said he's a great WR, but just shut up and play. He's lucky the referees didnt tag him at least once for unsportsmanlike. But whatever. I know I sound whiney but watching the game with friends, some of them USC fans, even they were like oh man behave(in reference to jarret)

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Which was a taunt to that player. That was the same player he pointed at as he high stepped into the end zone. High stepping is fine but finger pointing like 'i got you burned' isnt really necessary.

Like I said he's a great WR, but just shut up and play. He's lucky the referees didnt tag him at least once for unsportsmanlike. But whatever. I know I sound whiney but watching the game with friends, some of them USC fans, even they were like oh man behave(in reference to jarret)

I guess he could have toned it down, but I didn't see anything that would make me think he's a jerk or anything near Owens.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Which was a taunt to that player. That was the same player he pointed at as he high stepped into the end zone. High stepping is fine but finger pointing like 'i got you burned' isnt really necessary.

Like I said he's a great WR, but just shut up and play. He's lucky the referees didnt tag him at least once for unsportsmanlike. But whatever. I know I sound whiney but watching the game with friends, some of them USC fans, even they were like oh man behave(in reference to jarret)

I guess he could have toned it down, but I didn't see anything that would make me think he's a jerk or anything near Owens.

Yea. nothing that horrid. And hopefully he doesnt get that way once he gets in the NFL since he's obviously a very good WR. Be like Larry Fitzgerald or Tiki Barber(I know different position but his attitude is awesome)

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Which was a taunt to that player. That was the same player he pointed at as he high stepped into the end zone. High stepping is fine but finger pointing like 'i got you burned' isnt really necessary.

Like I said he's a great WR, but just shut up and play. He's lucky the referees didnt tag him at least once for unsportsmanlike. But whatever. I know I sound whiney but watching the game with friends, some of them USC fans, even they were like oh man behave(in reference to jarret)

I guess he could have toned it down, but I didn't see anything that would make me think he's a jerk or anything near Owens.

Yea. nothing that horrid. And hopefully he doesnt get that way once he gets in the NFL since he's obviously a very good WR. Be like Larry Fitzgerald or Tiki Barber(I know different position but his attitude is awesome)

C'mon man. You can't judge him based on one game. That you have to admit.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Which was a taunt to that player. That was the same player he pointed at as he high stepped into the end zone. High stepping is fine but finger pointing like 'i got you burned' isnt really necessary.

Like I said he's a great WR, but just shut up and play. He's lucky the referees didnt tag him at least once for unsportsmanlike. But whatever. I know I sound whiney but watching the game with friends, some of them USC fans, even they were like oh man behave(in reference to jarret)

I guess he could have toned it down, but I didn't see anything that would make me think he's a jerk or anything near Owens.

Yea. nothing that horrid. And hopefully he doesnt get that way once he gets in the NFL since he's obviously a very good WR. Be like Larry Fitzgerald or Tiki Barber(I know different position but his attitude is awesome)

C'mon man. You can't judge him based on one game. That you have to admit.

I admit that freely and I'll hope he doesnt get diva-like. Example see David Boston, Mike Williams etc.

Whatever that attitude is that makes them think they have to act like that I just dont know.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

FVCK!

I lost $15.

 

[czech09]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209
Ohio St. must be thanking their lucky stars they didn't have to face USC in the NCG huh?

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Weren't you one of the whiny ones who wanted a rematch?

Whiny? No. I wanted the national championship game to be between the best two teams in the country. Even at the end of the season, most people agreed that the best two teams in the country were OSU and UM. The only reason Florida is in the national championship game is because UM had already lost to OSU, and because UM and OSU are in the same conference - not because people believed that Florida was a better team than UM. I objected to that reasoning, and thought that UM deserved to be in the national championship game on the basis that they were generally believed to be the second best team in the country.

OSU doesn't have to thank their lucky stars that they don't have to face USC in the national championship game, they only have to thank USC for proving - twice - that they don't deserve to be there.

Your team "got spanked" as CBS Sportsline puts it. Stop whining, Florida earned the right to go to the national championship they are the better team. Who had the tougher schedule? Who played the extra game? Stop embarrassing yourself. If your team would have beaten OSU the first time around we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Your #1 defense fell apart.

To the fool that said Lloyd Carr should go - despite his bowl records which other coach do you see getting you anywhere close to the national championship? I think until he decides to go himself he should stay (unless they have a couple losing seasons in a row or something).

As for the Jarrett comment I think it's more intensity rather than taunting. You'd have to say the same about the UM safety that tackled him (or attempted to) in the end zone after one of the TDs...

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: czech09

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209
Ohio St. must be thanking their lucky stars they didn't have to face USC in the NCG huh?

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Weren't you one of the whiny ones who wanted a rematch?

Whiny? No. I wanted the national championship game to be between the best two teams in the country. Even at the end of the season, most people agreed that the best two teams in the country were OSU and UM. The only reason Florida is in the national championship game is because UM had already lost to OSU, and because UM and OSU are in the same conference - not because people believed that Florida was a better team than UM. I objected to that reasoning, and thought that UM deserved to be in the national championship game on the basis that they were generally believed to be the second best team in the country.

OSU doesn't have to thank their lucky stars that they don't have to face USC in the national championship game, they only have to thank USC for proving - twice - that they don't deserve to be there.

Your team "got spanked" as CBS Sportsline puts it. Stop whining, Florida earned the right to go to the national championship they are the better team. Who had the tougher schedule? Who played the extra game? Stop embarrassing yourself. If your team would have beaten OSU the first time around we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Your #1 defense fell apart.

To the fool that said Lloyd Carr should go - despite his bowl records which other coach do you see getting you anywhere close to the national championship? I think until he decides to go himself he should stay (unless they have a couple losing seasons in a row or something).

I'm not a fool for suggesting it. Ask any OSU fan what got John Cooper fired. Granted his last two seasons were worse than Carr's but its the same idea. Lot of restless fans/alum.

 

[kalster]

I think Lloyd Carr is a good coach, but I only remember seeing his team coming on the losing side in big/close games,

 

[czech09]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: czech09

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209
Ohio St. must be thanking their lucky stars they didn't have to face USC in the NCG huh?

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Weren't you one of the whiny ones who wanted a rematch?

Whiny? No. I wanted the national championship game to be between the best two teams in the country. Even at the end of the season, most people agreed that the best two teams in the country were OSU and UM. The only reason Florida is in the national championship game is because UM had already lost to OSU, and because UM and OSU are in the same conference - not because people believed that Florida was a better team than UM. I objected to that reasoning, and thought that UM deserved to be in the national championship game on the basis that they were generally believed to be the second best team in the country.

OSU doesn't have to thank their lucky stars that they don't have to face USC in the national championship game, they only have to thank USC for proving - twice - that they don't deserve to be there.

Your team "got spanked" as CBS Sportsline puts it. Stop whining, Florida earned the right to go to the national championship they are the better team. Who had the tougher schedule? Who played the extra game? Stop embarrassing yourself. If your team would have beaten OSU the first time around we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Your #1 defense fell apart.

To the fool that said Lloyd Carr should go - despite his bowl records which other coach do you see getting you anywhere close to the national championship? I think until he decides to go himself he should stay (unless they have a couple losing seasons in a row or something).

I'm not a fool for suggesting it. Ask any OSU fan what got John Cooper fired. Granted his last two seasons were worse than Carr's but its the same idea. Lot of restless fans/alum.

You want to fire a coach after a 11-2 season ? I know last year was terrible for UM however 11-2 I'd say is great almost anywhere. I don't think a coaching change will help the team at all - unless there was truly some great coach out in the market (I don't think Larry Coker counts ).

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: czech09

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: czech09

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209
Ohio St. must be thanking their lucky stars they didn't have to face USC in the NCG huh?

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Weren't you one of the whiny ones who wanted a rematch?

Whiny? No. I wanted the national championship game to be between the best two teams in the country. Even at the end of the season, most people agreed that the best two teams in the country were OSU and UM. The only reason Florida is in the national championship game is because UM had already lost to OSU, and because UM and OSU are in the same conference - not because people believed that Florida was a better team than UM. I objected to that reasoning, and thought that UM deserved to be in the national championship game on the basis that they were generally believed to be the second best team in the country.

OSU doesn't have to thank their lucky stars that they don't have to face USC in the national championship game, they only have to thank USC for proving - twice - that they don't deserve to be there.

Your team "got spanked" as CBS Sportsline puts it. Stop whining, Florida earned the right to go to the national championship they are the better team. Who had the tougher schedule? Who played the extra game? Stop embarrassing yourself. If your team would have beaten OSU the first time around we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Your #1 defense fell apart.

To the fool that said Lloyd Carr should go - despite his bowl records which other coach do you see getting you anywhere close to the national championship? I think until he decides to go himself he should stay (unless they have a couple losing seasons in a row or something).

I'm not a fool for suggesting it. Ask any OSU fan what got John Cooper fired. Granted his last two seasons were worse than Carr's but its the same idea. Lot of restless fans/alum.

You want to fire a coach after a 11-2 season ? I know last year was terrible for UM however 11-2 I'd say is great almost anywhere. I don't think a coaching change will help the team at all - unless there was truly some great coach out in the market (I don't think Larry Coker counts ).

Well I mean I'm highly frustrated as are many other UM fans. We cant win the games that matter e.g. OSU, any big time bowl game. Yea we went 11-2 but our offense is behind the times. Our defense is very good by any measure but the offense, and offensive coordinator sucked balls.

They had a month to prep for USC and they looked akin to a junior varsity team out there. For that I blame coaches. At the very least heads need to roll on the offensive side of things.

They could be as deadly or deadlier than USC. They have a great running back in Hart. A very good QB in Henne and two good/great WRs in Manningham and Arrington. But they dont ever use their passing game to great effect. Nor do they have that 'killer instinct' that USC had today. They dont put games away. Something needs to change in those aspects.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: czech09

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209
Ohio St. must be thanking their lucky stars they didn't have to face USC in the NCG huh?

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Weren't you one of the whiny ones who wanted a rematch?

Whiny? No. I wanted the national championship game to be between the best two teams in the country. Even at the end of the season, most people agreed that the best two teams in the country were OSU and UM. The only reason Florida is in the national championship game is because UM had already lost to OSU, and because UM and OSU are in the same conference - not because people believed that Florida was a better team than UM. I objected to that reasoning, and thought that UM deserved to be in the national championship game on the basis that they were generally believed to be the second best team in the country.

OSU doesn't have to thank their lucky stars that they don't have to face USC in the national championship game, they only have to thank USC for proving - twice - that they don't deserve to be there.

Your team "got spanked" as CBS Sportsline puts it. Stop whining, Florida earned the right to go to the national championship they are the better team. Who had the tougher schedule? Who played the extra game? Stop embarrassing yourself. If your team would have beaten OSU the first time around we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Your #1 defense fell apart.

To the fool that said Lloyd Carr should go - despite his bowl records which other coach do you see getting you anywhere close to the national championship? I think until he decides to go himself he should stay (unless they have a couple losing seasons in a row or something).

As for the Jarrett comment I think it's more intensity rather than taunting. You'd have to say the same about the UM safety that tackled him (or attempted to) in the end zone after one of the TDs...

First of all, I'm not sure why you're referring to them as my team, because they're not. I'm not embarrassing myself, I based my position on the many, many comments I read both here and in the media regarding which team deserved to play in the national championship game. I saw a lot of arguments for Florida based on UM being in the same division as OSU and UM having already played OSU and Florida playing a more difficult schedule. I saw very few people saying Florida was a better team. And losing to a #1 team doesn't prove that you're not the second best team in the country.

Originally posted by: her209
Yes, and after tonight, I don't think Ohio St. could hang with USC. Michigan proved to be a pushover team against USC and that was Ohio St. "toughest" game all year. That was my point.

As a USC fan, you should know better than anyone that an inferior team can beat a superior team. It happened to USC twice this year. And beating a team does not mean you can beat the team's oponents, otherwise there are plenty of teams that could say they could have beaten USC this year.

Edit: Not saying UM is a better team than USC. But I don't think you can say that they would have done as well against OSU. Unfortunately for USC, they blew their chance.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209
Yes, and after tonight, I don't think Ohio St. could hang with USC. Michigan proved to be a pushover team against USC and that was Ohio St. "toughest" game all year. That was my point.

As a USC fan, you should know better than anyone that an inferior team can beat a superior team. It happened to USC twice this year. And beating a team does not mean you can beat the team's oponents, otherwise there are plenty of teams that could say they could have beaten USC this year.

Are you saying today's win against Michigan was a fluke win? I'm sorry to inform you but clearly the better team won today.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209
Yes, and after tonight, I don't think Ohio St. could hang with USC. Michigan proved to be a pushover team against USC and that was Ohio St. "toughest" game all year. That was my point.

As a USC fan, you should know better than anyone that an inferior team can beat a superior team. It happened to USC twice this year. And beating a team does not mean you can beat the team's oponents, otherwise there are plenty of teams that could say they could have beaten USC this year.

Are you saying today's win against Michigan was a fluke win? I'm sorry to inform you but clearly the better team won today.

See my edit from 4 minutes before your post.

I do think the teams were more evenly matched than the score indicated. The game was decided largely by a few big plays.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: her209
Yes, and after tonight, I don't think Ohio St. could hang with USC. Michigan proved to be a pushover team against USC and that was Ohio St. "toughest" game all year. That was my point.

As a USC fan, you should know better than anyone that an inferior team can beat a superior team. It happened to USC twice this year. And beating a team does not mean you can beat the team's oponents, otherwise there are plenty of teams that could say they could have beaten USC this year.

Are you saying today's win against Michigan was a fluke win? I'm sorry to inform you but clearly the better team won today.

See my edit from 4 minutes before your post.

I do think the teams were more evenly matched than the score indicated. The game was decided largely by a few big plays.

osu- michigan was close, michigan was no match for usc today really

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: mugs
I do think the teams were more evenly matched than the score indicated. The game was decided largely by a few big plays.

You're wrong if you truly believe the teams were evenly matched. Look at the yardage. About the same time of possession yet USC still has 100+ total yards more against Michigan's supposed #1 defense.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs
I do think the teams were more evenly matched than the score indicated. The game was decided largely by a few big plays.

You're wrong if you truly believe the teams were evenly matched. Look at the yardage. About the same time of possession yet USC still has 100+ total yards more against Michigan's supposed #1 defense.

And yet USC didn't deserve to play the best team in the country. They got lucky today. Very lucky.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs
I do think the teams were more evenly matched than the score indicated. The game was decided largely by a few big plays.

You're wrong if you truly believe the teams were evenly matched. Look at the yardage. About the same time of possession yet USC still has 100+ total yards more against Michigan's supposed #1 defense.

And yet USC didn't deserve to play the best team in the country. They got lucky today. Very lucky.

How so? They did what they did all season, throw the ball.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: her209

How so? They did what they did all season, throw the ball.[/quote]

I just don't think MI played the game they have. It happens.

100 extra yards isn't really a butt whooping. But you're right, it's the score that matters.

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: her209

How so? They did what they did all season, throw the ball.

I just don't think MI played the game they have. It happens.

100 extra yards isn't really a butt whooping. But you're right, it's the score that matters.[/quote]

Michigan's D was a letdown, specifically, the secondary. That was the difference in the game. I didn't think their Offense played that bad.

 

[czech09]

Whining won't help you - just man up and admit your team was beaten and isn't as good as many thought. On the other hand USC definitely proved me and many others wrong today...

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: dbk
Michigan's D was a letdown, specifically, the secondary. That was the difference in the game. I didn't think their Offense played that bad.

Agreed on the secondary. But a few boneheaded moves by the QB lead to at least 7 points to USC. But you can probably attribute that to USCs penetration.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: dbk

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: her209

How so? They did what they did all season, throw the ball.

I just don't think MI played the game they have. It happens.

100 extra yards isn't really a butt whooping. But you're right, it's the score that matters.

Michigan's D was a letdown, specifically, the secondary. That was the difference in the game. I didn't think their Offense played that bad.[/quote]

well they had 0 run game