Rose Bowl

[Pacfanweb]

<<The Big 12 isnt a slouch. Texas and Texas A&M would be even better if about 50% of the best high school players in the state of Texas didnt go to schools in Florida... >>

Yep, and you have Miami, FSU and UF sucking up the lion's share of Florida recruits......that's why they are so good, year in and out. Miami didn't recruit as well in the early to mid 90's, which is why FSU and UF were quite a bit better recently until last year.

<<Those conferences have a couple good teams and a host of mediocre ones. Whereas the Big 10 usually has at least 5-6 highly competitive, ranked teams, that have to fight it out for a title. >>

The Big 10 has some good teams, but usually not "the best" teams. Teams from the Big 10 will get ranked just for winning a couple of games, same as Pac 10 teams like UCLA and USC.....just because they are who they are.

The ACC is as competitive as any conference from top to bottom. Only 9 teams, but 7 are or will be bowl eligible.
I also seem to remember at the Super Bowl in Atlanta a couple of years ago, there were more players on both teams from the ACC than any other conference, even though the ACC has less players to draft from than the "traditional" football conferences.
The gap is small, and keeps closing.

 

[aphex]

Id just like to repeat... Go gators!

But seriously, if it was UM vs. UF.... Im not so sure us mighty gators could pull that one off.. Im scared

 

[fastz28]

<< Texas will lose points for beating Colorado because they would drop from the top 10 costing them bonus points they now have for beating them earlier in the year. The BCS is a compicated thing. >>



Very true, Texas has nothing to gain by beating CU and everything to lose. BCS is suck, we need playoffs. :|

Big XII isn't good? We have like 4 teams in the top 10!!! Beat that.

 

[Slap]

<< Very true, Texas has nothing to gain by beating CU and everything to lose. BCS is suck, we need playoffs. >>


I couldn't agree more. Take the top 8 teams and have a three week playoff directly after the season. Skip Christmas and have the Championship game on New Years.

 

[tm37]

I would like to see the aztecks but you accually need to win games to play for the championshup. Perhaps they should change that so america could see the greatness that is SAN DIEGO STATE!!

 

[bunker]

I really don't care who goes. Unless it's a Big 10 team I'm not watching the Rose Bowl. I'm boycotting because of the godamned bcs taking away our bowl game.

 

[AaronP]

I wanted to see Miami vs Nebrasksa or OK State, that ain't gonna happen now! I think Florida would be my choice. I just don't see Texas or Oregon beating Miami, I think Florida can, and will.

 

[Lankin]

It would be nice to see Miami be beaten by VT but thats doubtful. It is possible Florida can be beaten... If niether UT make it to the rose bowl, IMHO they should both play in the Sugar Bowl...

 

[UFGator]

Miami will beat VT by 30+ (mark my words)

I dont expect Florida to TRASH tennesee... They're missing Earnest Graham. With out him they've lost to Auburn this year

If Spurrier lets Carthon run the ball instead of Gillspie we be ok. Gillespie is a talented back - but he cant run the ball against a top 10 team. He needs to be in there on 3rd down catching balls out of the back field. screenpasses, etc.

Florida ABSOLUTLY 100% POSITIVELY CANNOT be jumped by texas if florida wins the next two games (Tennessee and the SEC Game)

Reason why... Florida will get a Quality win point by beating Tennesee, that will make the margin between florida and texas EXTREME. Texas cant get in. period. They'll get in if they win the big 12 game (which they wont) and if florida loses either of the next two games.

Then they'll get scorched BADLY by miami (like anyone who plays them this year)

But it doesnt matter, because if Tenn beats Florida and then the SEC game - they're going to play Miami. Texas really has no chance of getting in, same with Oregon.

There's only one team in the country that can beat Miami and thats florida. And thats going to be a strech. they would have to play their best ball - have Earnest Graham back, no 15 penality, 3 turnover games and Grossman would have to find a way to beat that amazing secondary they have.

Will be a very good game.

 

[Slap]

UFGator,

You are one of the first Gator fans I have seen give TN a little respect. The two TN vs FL matchups have been good ones. I think this one will be the same. It always comes down to TN beating themselves with turnovers. You are right about TX not having a chance unless both TN and FL lose a game.

 

[royaldank]

Rose Bowl:

Miami vs. UTenn/FL winner

The UT/FL game this weekend should be a good one. Everyone knows Florida should beat the crap out of TN but that isn't the case in this rivalry. It seems Florida lately has played down to UTs level and made the games close. They are hurting not having Ernest b/c UT can stop any other running back they have.

If Spurrier were to call every play a pass deep into the secondary, then you'd have to add more digits to the Florida side of the scoreboard. UTs secondary is just plain pathetic. Ask Lorrenzen from Kentucky...it's swiss cheese up in there.

But, for some reason, I think UT will win, beat Auburn or LSU, and then get their world rocked when Miami beats them by 40.

 

[dullard]

One thing that many people do is ignore the bottom teams when comparing conferences. Year after year, Nebraska is almost always in the top 10. However, Baylor is almost always near the bottom 10.

Thus you need to tell us your personal definition of the best conference when you make these types of comments. The following quote is an example of a good post:


<< Big XII isn't good? We have like 4 teams in the top 10!!! Beat that. >>


The definition used - most top ten teams - is clearly defined. Thus using that definition the Big 12 is the most difficult conference.

However there are other possible definitions:
1) Whichever conference has the current top ranked team: Big East
2) Best average ranking: near tie between Big 12 (Kansas and Baylor are drags), Pac 10 (California hurts), and Southeastern (Kentucky and Vanderbilt are bottom dwellers)
3) How about this one: Conference with the highest ranked last place team: Big 10 with Minnesota being the worst team (4W 7L record).

Here are some I haven't calculated yet:
4) Conference with most bowl elegible teams.
5) Conference with best non-conference record.
6) Conference with best win-loss record.

My point is that there are so many ways of measuring the 'best' conference. So please include your definition when you claim one conference is better than another.

 

[dullard]

Using my own computer program (optimized such that the score prediction error in last weeks games is minimized - a method not used by any other computer program that I know of) I have a near three-way tie. These three teams have been tied for about four weeks. Miami, Florida, and Texas all deserve to be in the Rose Bowl at the moment.

That's right for you people with an eye for details: Nebraska wasn't ranked first even before the Colorado game.

The Texas-Colorado game and the Florida-Tennesee game will most likely determine who deserves to go to the Rose-Bowl. I think Texas should have an easy time beating Colorado again. The 41-7 whipping that Texas gave Colorado earlier is a good sign. Colorado's defense is often not very good. Their offence is great when playing a team with little secondary defense (Nebraska is a good example) but Colorado sucks when playing a defense like Texas. Thus I predict another blowout (14 points at least). Florida-Tennesee will be closer, but Florida has played 9 great games and one near defeat. Florida will win by 10.

For those who care: Memorial Stadium at Nebraska is a 15 second walk from my current chair.

 

[Pacfanweb]

UF is one of the few teams in the country that can put as much or more talent on the field as Miami.

UF has consistently had top 5 recruiting classes since 1990, despite what UFGator says. Miami only recently got back up to that point. Miami's talent appears to be gelling a bit better at this point, but UF can beat them. I don't think UF will lose to UT, but UT is very capable of beating them. If UT wins, look for several teams to start crying about not getting the chance to play Miami. Right now, I don't think there'll be too much bitching if UF wins out.


Miami should easily beat V-Tech. Tech has been over-rated since their one miracle year with Michael Vick. They weren't top 10 before Michael Vick, and aren't since Vick, and they have been exposed several times. They are very good, but Miami should cream them if they show up at all.

 

[Slap]

<< But, for some reason, I think UT will win, beat Auburn or LSU, and then get their world rocked when Miami beats them by 40. >>


That is the same thing people said back in 1986 win TN kicked Miami's a$$ in the Sugar Bowl.

 

[Cerebus451]

A couple of things to throw in here.

First, for those that think Texas cannot leapfrog Florida because when Florida beats Tennesee they get a "quality win point", remember that Tennesee will tumble and thus decrease the value of this "quality win point". Not only that, but by Tennesee dropping, it will bump up the likes of Nebraska, which will help keep Colorado up in the rankings since they defeated Nebraska, and as such Colorado would not tumble as far if beaten by Texas as Tennesee will if beaten by Florida, and thus it would actually be Texas' gain if Tennesee loses as opposed to Florida. The BCS is indeed a very complicated thing.

I personally would rather see anyone other than a Florida team playing for the national title. Enough already. I'll be in Bleaksburg this weekend to witness Tech's attempt to knock off Miami in person, though I have a feeling I will enjoy that game about as much as I did the Tech-Pitt game that I also had the pleasure of witnessing in person (my reaction was: "Yup, Tech football is just like I remember it from 10 years ago").

It would be tough to swallow Texas vs Tennesee in the title game, but I think it is the only realistic way to keep a Florida team out of there.

Oh, and as for Texas "owning" burnt orange, I highly doubt it. There are tons of teams out there using burnt orange, including the Hokies.

And lastly, to add in to all those Big-10/Pac-10 whiners, if the Rose Bowl wasn't part of the BCS and one of your teams was undefeated at the end of the year, we'd be listening to no end of your whining about how your team should get the national championship trophy even though you don't want to give up your precious bowl. The Rose Bowl wasn't yours to begin with, and while it was a nice tradition for a long time, it was time to give it up.

 

[royaldank]

I'm not sure Tenn losing to FL would cause Tennessee to fall out of the top 10. I mean, unless Tenn got demolished, people are still half way expecting them to be an at large BCS team which would probably put them in at #8, 9, or 10 in the polls.

 

[Zenmervolt]

<<And lastly, to add in to all those Big-10/Pac-10 whiners, if the Rose Bowl wasn't part of the BCS and one of your teams was undefeated at the end of the year, we'd be listening to no end of your whining about how your team should get the national championship trophy even though you don't want to give up your precious bowl. The Rose Bowl wasn't yours to begin with, and while it was a nice tradition for a long time, it was time to give it up.>>

Bull. The Rose Bowl may not have always been ours, but she was ours for a helluva long time, and I don't recall us whining back before the BCS when our teams went undefeated yet missed a national championship. Everyone knows that the only two teams who truly deserve to be in the Rose Bowl are Illinois and Oregon. As for it being time to give her up, that doesn't even deserve a response.

ZV

 

[Cerebus451]

<< Bull. The Rose Bowl may not have always been ours, but she was ours for a helluva long time, and I don't recall us whining back before the BCS when our teams went undefeated yet missed a national championship. Everyone knows that the only two teams who truly deserve to be in the Rose Bowl are Illinois and Oregon. As for it being time to give her up, that doesn't even deserve a response. >>



Maybe not you personally, but there sure were a lot of people whining about not getting a shot at the national title. When the BCS was first announced, there was a lot of flak coming from the Big-10 and PAC-10 about not getting included, and the BCS people did the right thing by saying "put up or shut up".

And if everyone knows that Illinois and Oregon belong in the Rose Bowl, how come they won't be there?

 

[Zenmervolt]

<< And if everyone knows that Illinois and Oregon belong in the Rose Bowl, how come they won't be there? >>



I should have phrased that better, shall we say, "everyone who matters". More seriously though, while I firmly believe that the BCS is a huge mistake (for example, Texas losing points for beating a team, how much more screwed up can it get) and that Illinois and Oregon are the only teams who deserve the Rose Bowl, the fact remains that there is nothing I can do about the mistakes made by the chairs of the Tournament of Roses, or the mistakes made by whoever put the BCS together.

ZV

 

[thereds]

<< That's cause Pac10 and Big10 aren't the toughest confrences anymore. Big 12 is easily the most competitive, followed by Big East and SEC. >>



bahahahahahahahaha
tell me you're kidding? Big Least the second most competitive conference? ahahahahahhaha you're killing me.

Big 12
followed by
Big 10/SEC
Pac 10
ACC and Big Least [same standing]

 

[thereds]

<< Well...if TX smashed CU again, tons of quality win points...destiny not as in control as you think. >>



I am beginning to wonder if you know anything about how the BCS works.

you don't get TONs of quality win points. If TX wins, TX goes to the Sugar Bowl considering UM and UF win out.

The only quality points TX will get from the win against CU is probaby very little since after CU loses they will barely be on the end of the top 15 of the BCS, which is what is needed to get quality pts.

 

[dullard]

<< Big 12
followed by
Big 10/SEC
Pac 10
ACC and Big Least [same standing] >>



Please read my post above. Then tell me what method you used to get this ranking. Any consistant method will satisfy me. By consistant, I mean something that everyone of us can use and get the same answer. An example of a consistant method is: average the ranking of all teams in the conference. An example of an inconsistant method is: since I like the Big 10 more than I like the Pac 10.

 

[Cerebus451]

<< I should have phrased that better, shall we say, "everyone who matters". More seriously though, while I firmly believe that the BCS is a huge mistake (for example, Texas losing points for beating a team, how much more screwed up can it get) and that Illinois and Oregon are the only teams who deserve the Rose Bowl, the fact remains that there is nothing I can do about the mistakes made by the chairs of the Tournament of Roses, or the mistakes made by whoever put the BCS together. >>



Dammit, I matter. At least I thought I did.

I have to say that the BCS is one major clusterf***. I personally think the notion of having a "national champion" just does not work for college football. If back in the days before bowl games they decided to create a national championship, it could have been done then. Trying to meld a national championship into the bowl season just does not work. I like the idea of having a bowl season because it allows for teams that usually do not get to play each other to face off. I don't personally mind the Big-10 and PAC-10 playing in the Rose Bowl. It's hard to argue with 54 years of history. Of course, they could take it all the way back and restore the chariot races .

NCAA Basketball has it right. It would be nice to see a 64 team field vying for a national championship in football, but that just will never happen. I know for recruiting it is nice to have a national champion, but we could just go back to the good ole days of playing bowl games, and let the ADs piss and moan about who is really the best.

Oh, and for who I really want to see in the title game - BYU vs. Colorado. Never gonna happen, but man would that be one fun game to watch.

 

[Dark54555]

anyone else agree you should get 2x the quality win points if you beat a quality team twice?