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Moonbeam

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While this is true the Republicans have just crossed another Rubicon and there are a lot of marginal voters who are going to be less inclined to think of Republicans as an alternative but a bunch of crazy bastards.

It's only going to help Dems in November.
Personally I think elections are just anorher way democrats are trying to get the right people out of office and subvert democracy. Thecountry could fall if too many immoral people are allowed to vote.
 

BonzaiDuck

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The desperation by the Republicans to cover up the treason committed by the Trump administration (and some of them as well) is getting to epic levels.

Make no mistake, we are witnessing an authoritarian Nationalist coup taking place. The complete subversion of law and order to obtain political goals.

It is astonishing that the GOP is seeking to repeat Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre.

Our country survived these attempts when Nixon tried this. Will it survive this time? I don't know. But get ready for an epic shit show, I called that the minute this was uncovered back in late 2016.

I have to BET there has been "Treason." I BET even heavier with my chips on the "Misprision of Treason" square. I BET even heavier than that -- to within a hair of a dead certainty -- there has been obstruction of justice, a transgression that has already been proven factually and inferentially in the news. From a scientific point of view, I cannot say I KNOW as a dead certainty that all of these crimes will prove out under the procedural bias of "reasonable doubt, " but people don't need to vote on a "beyond a reasonable doubt" basis, and a scientific understanding in the realm of "knowing" is never absolutely certain.

But that's the problem with the GOP and those still supporting the Trump White House. They assume that since Trump has not been convicted, then there is no basis for anything. This is an implicit logical contradiction, since one cannot declare "beyond a reasonable doubt" until there has been Impeachment, Indictment, Arraignment, Trial, and Conviction. Yet, the mounting quantity and frequency of evidence would lead any impartial investigator to investigate further -- with more resources and more energy. They merely want to take bigger and more foolish risks by keeping Impeachment "out of the question."

Given the few possible ways the Putin Summit will play out, Trump will be under withering fire from reasonable pundits and Democratic legislators. An absence of GOP legislators willing to move forward with impeachment, or to postpone the appointment of Kavanaugh given the shadow of criminal suspicion falling on Trump, can be falsely used to insinuate that this is "just a Democrat witch hunt."

And if the voters don't turn out to change the composition of the Congress in November, the crisis will grow -- it will not shrink.

The best we can hope for after that? That our assessment of Trump's limited intellect is accurate. He may be incapable of thinking ahead through any grandiose plans of consolidating his hold on power. He's not as literate as Hitler was: Hitler wrote his own book; Trump paid a ghost-writer.
 

Jhhnn

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Personally I think elections are just anorher way democrats are trying to get the right people out of office and subvert democracy. Thecountry could fall if too many immoral people are allowed to vote.

Does that mean all voters must swear a loyalty oath to the Great Leader?
 

vi edit

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Oct 28, 1999
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How does impeachment of an appointment work? Same way as a president? Majority in house and then super majority in senate?

Treat this as basically a "I'm a treasonous shithead". Anyone that votes in favor ends up on a C130 to be jettisoned over Siberia.
 

Vic

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While this is true the Republicans have just crossed another Rubicon and there are a lot of marginal voters who are going to be less inclined to think of Republicans as an alternative but a bunch of crazy bastards.

It's only going to help Dems in November.
I hate to say it, but I think the Dems are going to stay home out of overconfidence and apathy (and maybe some fear) while the Trumpies will throng to the polls to save Dear Leader from the dire threat of accountability.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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I have to BET there has been "Treason." I BET even heavier with my chips on the "Misprision of Treason" square. I BET even heavier than that -- to within a hair of a dead certainty -- there has been obstruction of justice, a transgression that has already been proven factually and inferentially in the news. From a scientific point of view, I cannot say I KNOW as a dead certainty that all of these crimes will prove out under the procedural bias of "reasonable doubt, " but people don't need to vote on a "beyond a reasonable doubt" basis, and a scientific understanding in the realm of "knowing" is never absolutely certain.

But that's the problem with the GOP and those still supporting the Trump White House. They assume that since Trump has not been convicted, then there is no basis for anything. This is an implicit logical contradiction, since one cannot declare "beyond a reasonable doubt" until there has been Impeachment, Indictment, Arraignment, Trial, and Conviction. Yet, the mounting quantity and frequency of evidence would lead any impartial investigator to investigate further -- with more resources and more energy. They merely want to take bigger and more foolish risks by keeping Impeachment "out of the question."

Given the few possible ways the Putin Summit will play out, Trump will be under withering fire from reasonable pundits and Democratic legislators. An absence of GOP legislators willing to move forward with impeachment, or to postpone the appointment of Kavanaugh given the shadow of criminal suspicion falling on Trump, can be falsely used to insinuate that this is "just a Democrat witch hunt."

And if the voters don't turn out to change the composition of the Congress in November, the crisis will grow -- it will not shrink.

The best we can hope for after that? That our assessment of Trump's limited intellect is accurate. He may be incapable of thinking ahead through any grandiose plans of consolidating his hold on power. He's not as literate as Hitler was: Hitler wrote his own book; Trump paid a ghost-writer.

I think the GOP is trying to avoid getting caught between a rock & a hard place. The way they're acting indicates they believe Trump to be guilty of impeachable acts, and they don't want to have to deal with it. If they're forced to impeach Trump & remove him from office, their base will go bonkers. If the evidence is there & they refuse to do so, they'll be hammered from the other direction.

Fuck 'em. I hope Trump drags 'em all down the shitter with him.
 

vi edit

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I think the GOP is trying to avoid getting caught between a rock & a hard place. The way they're acting indicates they believe Trump to be guilty of impeachable acts, and they don't want to have to deal with it. If they're forced to impeach Trump & remove him from office, their base will go bonkers. If the evidence is there & they refuse to do so, they'll be hammered from the other direction.

Fuck 'em. I hope Trump drags 'em all down the shitter with him.

In a sane world voters would hold both executive and legislative branch accountable.

But we don't live in a sane and rational world.
 
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zinfamous

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remember how all of Congress, especially the republicans, have loudly said that going after Rosenstein/Mueller would be the end of Trump, and they will make it happen?

Well, let's see if they have real stones.
 

zinfamous

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lol @ the democrats ...."we are going to get him now!!!"

Rosenstein had no authority to appoint Mueller and allow him to conduct a bogus investigation that has amounted to nothing. He had no mandate. There was no concrete proof of Trump colluding with Russia to win the election. And they have found nothing to that effect.

Fire Rosenstein's ass now~!

Rosenstein needs to get the boot and so does Mueller.

When Mueller was director of the FBI why didnt he investigate Russian interference back then? Russia has long tried to influence elections, it did not just start in 2016.

Mueller is a fraud who is only reason to exist now is some sort of October surprise in 2018 or 2020.

It wont work.

This is the sound of your ostomy bag reaching its nadir.

Time for a trip to the loo, my friend.
 
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nickqt

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Indictments are not convictions.

Muellers office have only come up with ancillary crimes and process crimes.

THEY HAVE NOT FOUND SH related to collusion.

FIRE MUELLER, now!
Don't worry, collaborator. You'll be remembered.
 
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I think the GOP is trying to avoid getting caught between a rock & a hard place. The way they're acting indicates they believe Trump to be guilty of impeachable acts, and they don't want to have to deal with it. If they're forced to impeach Trump & remove him from office, their base will go bonkers. If the evidence is there & they refuse to do so, they'll be hammered from the other direction.

Fuck 'em. I hope Trump drags 'em all down the shitter with him.

Yeah, I'm thinking deep down in their tiny neocon hearts they really want a Democrat super majority post midterms so Democrats can do the heavy lifting.
Kind of like Trump, I think inside his cold heart he really doesn't want to be President, he wants his old life of luxury back.
 

Jhhnn

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I hate to say it, but I think the Dems are going to stay home out of overconfidence and apathy (and maybe some fear) while the Trumpies will throng to the polls to save Dear Leader from the dire threat of accountability.

I don't think so. Trump & the GOP have set off an intense slow burn among Dems & a lot of independents. Trumpsters don't have the burning hatred of Hillary to bring them to the polls, either.

Dems sure as Hell haven't stayed home for the special elections since Nov 2016, either. Quite the contrary.
 

cytg111

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As Jhhnn said, this is just more theater by House republicans. Ridiculous, disgusting, infuriatingly close to treason, but still theater.

I guess they feel the need to "keep the pressure on" as far as appeasing the base and people like Sean Hannity. That Strzok hearing certainly blew up in their faces, so the obstruction/face-saving efforts will continue.
Theater to keep the base rallied.. Come impeachment of Trump the same rules apply.. how to get it past the senate..
 

Zorba

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In a sane world voters would hold both executive and legislative branch accountable.

But we don't live in a sane and rational world.
The way we elect congress and even the presidency doesn't allow for real accountability. Also as soon as one fraction has manipulated the system to their benefit, there is no mechanism to fix the constitution.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Monday, then.

I'm flying out to Latvia on Tuesday. Perhaps I will be an imprisoned citizen of the new USSSSR after Trump orders troops out of the Baltics over the weekend, and Putin re-invades by next Friday, just as he and all previous Russian motherfuckers have been openly and loudly planning for the last 30 years.

Fucking Gorbachev sent tanks in and murdered a couple dozen people (border guards and citizens that rushed to capital centers) the day after these occupied states had the unmitigated gall to declare their globally-recognized sovereign states, independent.

Interesting Times!
 
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pcgeek11

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Looks like some click bait to me. I don't believe they are going to impeach Rosenstein and I think that Mueller's investigation will continue as it is until completed.

Just as it should.
 
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MooseNSquirrel

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lol @ the democrats ...."we are going to get him now!!!"

Rosenstein had no authority to appoint Mueller and allow him to conduct a bogus investigation that has amounted to nothing. He had no mandate. There was no concrete proof of Trump colluding with Russia to win the election. And they have found nothing to that effect.

Fire Rosenstein's ass now~!

Rosenstein needs to get the boot and so does Mueller.

When Mueller was director of the FBI why didnt he investigate Russian interference back then? Russia has long tried to influence elections, it did not just start in 2016.

Mueller is a fraud who is only reason to exist now is some sort of October surprise in 2018 or 2020.

It wont work.
Ah the poor SnowTrumpians, they assume an investigation into russian meddling is a conspiracy and an attack on Trump.

Why is that?
 

cytg111

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Looks like some click bait to me. I don't believe they are going to impeach Rosenstein and I think that Mueller's investigation will continue as it is until completed.

Just as it should.
There is a difference between beginning impeachment and successful impeachment. The difference that is relevant to you is that at point A. beginning impeachment, you have a chance to march the streets and make your voice heard, at point B. successful impeachment its too late for anything.
Here is what you are going to do : Nothing, like you say above, it is not going to happen, and when it doesnt happen you will be here going "I told you so". OR when it does happen you will be here saying it doesnt matter anyway, you libtards always be crying over nothing anyway, they will never get the votes. Repeat for successful impeachment. Repeat for impairing the special counsel. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. That IS the MO of pcgeek11.
 

trenchfoot

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It really is interesting to see how the Rule of Law is being attacked and subverted by the very party who claimed superiority over any and all when it came to protecting this Enshrinement. All this in order to keep ahold of the reins of power for the exclusive benefit of the donor class.

The Repub Party has made a mockery of what we all should have an indisputable unquestioning respect for. They have crossed a line for short term gain and long term regret. But then like Trump, being hypocritical, being two faced and being traitorous has become the new normal for them. Witness how McConnell and Ryan have become what they previously falsely swore were traits of the Democrat Party and all this because it's been very convenient to be this way and only because these slime balls realize that their constituency, out of pure desperation, have given them the seal of approval to be that way. But hey, those damn godless Democrats better not dare go there because it would only prove what was already a given among them.

The Party of Trump is built on a foundation of lies and buttressed by bulwarks made of false promises hopes and dreams. The party has taken whatever progress the Dems have managed to make in the way of providing protections and improved services and help for the working class be they Repub or Democrat, claimed whatever they could as their own and then vilified, repealed and hamstrung whatever they could get away with in order to wring any and all kinds of gifts that they could bless the wealthy with.

It should be noted that Trump has been concentrating on making good on all of those promises he made to his working class supporters that have absolutely nothing to do with improving their quality of life, their ability to climb the ladder of success, their ability to get better health care and quality education. He has however, exclusively hammered away on whatever makes his constituency feel good about themselves and whatever distracts them from his actual agenda: to enrich himself and by sheer coincidence, the elite class of the very wealthy he belongs to.

Ergo, we have Trump frantically expounding on why we need to have His Wall built, why Hillary needs to be jailed, why keeping out those terrorist Muslims and those murderous rapist Mexicans should be priority #1, why the abortionists should be sent to hell, why the gays need to be put in their place and why the fundamentalist Christians/Evangelists should have direct involvement in the affairs of government BUT being absolutely silent on how he plans to fix the economic doldrums that his working class supporters find themselves in.
 
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K1052

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I hate to say it, but I think the Dems are going to stay home out of overconfidence and apathy (and maybe some fear) while the Trumpies will throng to the polls to save Dear Leader from the dire threat of accountability.

That hasn't borne out in the elections we've had since the presidential. Dem turnout is up, in some cases waaay up.

Paul Ryan isn't retiring because he thinks it's likely the GOP will retain it's house majority.
 

Gryz

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130 charges so far on 32 people.
A quick google showed me this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/us/politics/mueller-investigation-charges.html
Are there more names ?

4 People from Trump's election-campaign-team.
1 Belgian/dutch/american/russian attorney.
A bunch of Russians.

Not one real Republican.
(I don't consider the Trump team to be Republicans.
The GOP never wanted Trump in the first place.
They only play along because the Trump presidency allows them to go through with the wicked plans.
And Trump himself is a huge distraction, while they are robbing your country blind).
Even if all of Trump's campaign-team are arrested and put into jail, this still means that:
- Trump will not be impeached. Prepare for Trump to stay until 2020. And I personally think he'll do 2020-2024 too.
- No real Republicans (outside Trump's closest team) will be persecuted.
- The idiotic half of the US population will keep backing Trump. Congrats on Trump 2020-204.

You're all cheering that you might win some small battles.
But this won't help you win the war.
 

Gryz

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It should be noted that Trump has been concentrating on making good on all of those promises he made to his working class supporters that have absolutely nothing to do with improving their quality of life, their ability to climb the ladder of success, their ability to get better health care and quality education. He has however, exclusively hammered away on whatever makes his constituency feel good about themselves and whatever distracts them from his actual agenda: to enrich himself and by sheer coincidence, the elite class of the very wealthy he belongs to.
This is very well worded.
Trump is selling himself. He's a salesman after all. He's selling snake-oil.
And the Democrats don't seem to have an answer.
The whole russia-collusion-story is not gonna do anything in the end. It won't have any effect.
Imho, it's another distraction that helps Trump get elected again.
Remember, he doesn't play fair. He doesn't care about the US. He doesn't care about the US population. He doesn't even care about his own voters.
All he cares about is closing the deal.
Welcome to Trump 2020-2024.
 
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