Rosetta@home: Lets welcome our newest member for September 27, 2005

[Spacehead]

Lets welcome TeAm Enterprise to the Rosetta@home TeAm!

Rank .... Name .... Total Credit
10 .... TeAm Enterprise .... 62


Total Members: 10 users
Active Members: 10 users ( 10 in XML)


Rosetta@home (This project is in the beta phase of development)
TeAm stats page on the Rosetta site
BOINC Synergy stats for the TeAm

 

[Smoke]

Things may get interesting.

Thanks for all the BOINC "Welcome" threads, Space. :thumbsup:

 

[BlackMountainCow]

Welcome Enterprise!

:beer:

 

[mrwizer]

So is the Enterprise like a freight train?

 

[Smoke]

More like a rocket ... see link in sig. lol

 

[mrwizer]

Neat...

 

[petrusbroder]

Originally posted by: Smoke
More like a rocket ... see link in sig. lol

Well no, not a rocket, (how dare you!!!!) :|
It is a starship! You know: "Engage warp 9, Scotty!"
The pic is just one of the repair ships - running under a false outer skin!

Welcome to the project, Smoke and Enterprise!

 

[kb3edk]

Welcome TeAm Enterprise!

We're definitely gonna move up in the Top 10 with them on our side.

Are they like TAS where they all move to a single project?

 

[Bok7575]

I think you'll get top10 in the next update.. but you have someone moving on you fast just below..

Rosetta Stats

Bok

 

[amdxborg]

Thanx Spacehead!

Welcome to the TeAm TeAm Enterprise!

Hey nice seeing you here Bok!!

 

[Crazee]

Right now we will only have a machine on it while I tinker with testing it for my work environment. I am considering this project for a Deathstar deployment. For those who were not around for the last Deathstar deployment it was 9,000 Seti WUs per day and that was only 1/4 of the power that would come from a full deployment.

 

[petrusbroder]

Crazee, what is a Deathstar (Imean except the thing in StarWar... )

 

[kb3edk]

Originally posted by: petrusbroder
Crazee, what is a Deathstar (Imean except the thing in StarWar... )

Yeah, I'm curious as to what it is too! 9,000 WUs in SETI... was that classic or BOINC? I wonder how many credits that works out to.

My guesses are, it's either an entire floor of an office, or an entire rack(s) full of dual/quad/Xeons/Opterons/Sun blades. :evil:

I'll just keep chugging along here with my X2...

 

[Crazee]

The Deathstar is what I called my work machines. I am a Systems Administrator at a College with 5,000 workstations and 250+ servers. When I first got the opportunity to run Seti on them I first thought of the Emperor from Return of the Jedi "now witness the power of this fully armed and operational battle station" So I called the deployment the Deathstar. Unfortunately I never got to fully deploy everywhere because we ran into a situation where we were eating too much bandwidth at work. That has since been corrected as we are adding a second line effectively doubling the bandwidth out. Also a lot of these new projects don't use as much bandwidth as Seti does when you run it on 5,000 machines.

If this is successful I will not deploy Rosetta on every machine. This project is in beta and I would hate to overwhelm them with too many machines too soon. I am using this as a test bed for the BOINC client to see how well the flexibility it is supposed to provide works. Features like scheduled running and not running when the machine is not idle appeals to me. I can sell running a project that won't interfere with the users much easier than one that might. The problem in a big environment is that if anything slows a machine down, someone will blame the DC project whether it is to blame or not. If it isn't running when they are trying to work then I don't have to deal with their complaint

 

[mrwizer]

The only BOINC project that slowed by my machines for users was CPDN. Einstein has a really low overhead in my experience.

 

[Exci]

I'm the sys admin of Housing and Food Services. . we've been able to help R@H for a couple months now.

Anywho, we run it on all 200 of our machines. . from computer labs to accounting and IT. They've ran Rosetta 24x7 (we told them not to turn off their machines) since August and we've yet to have a single instance of performance degradation.

I'd say a third of our machines are 'very old'. . memory is the main requirement, and they have 128 or 256. These machines haven't had any issues other than long compute times, even when wu's were taking 250mb+ of memory/swap.

I think the R@H folks are calling it beta because they were somewhat surprised by the world finding out about their project. . and there have been some bugs of work units crashing.

What has always been the case is that Rosetta, even in the rare cases of wu's failing, doesn't impact the performance of the host pc at all.

If you have a ton of machines and think the project is worthy, I hope them calling it 'beta' isn't the main thing holding you back. I'd love for someone to take over our spot on the team list, it only helps the scientists.

-Ethan

 

[mrwizer]

Hey Ethan!

I think Rosetta is really stable for a Beta, but I am not sure that I would take it out exactly yet. I am very impressed with how responsive the developers have been (David Baker and David Kim have been great). But, there are still errors that a popping up. I still cannot run it on my laptop without errors, and others are having issues. This is not a problem since it is still beta and this is expected, but this only illustrates why not to take it out quite yet. And I am confident that the group will fix the issues once David gets back from vacation.

With all that being said, I think adding tons of machines to the project is great. My only concern would be the issues that have come up with the client hanging on 1%, and having to restart the BOINC manager. This would not be acceptable on machines that are left for extended periods of time.

Lastly, it could be that these errors were created with 4.77, which is why you may not have had any issues before.

 

[Exci]

Howdy

They could very well be problems with 4.77. . however, since it hasn't impacted the performance of any of my workstations (which I'm sure we have a few having the same problem), I haven't been contacted.

My main thing to get across is that while there may be problems with work units, it doesn't do anything to the host computer. Sure, that computer may have been able to work on another project instead if it hadn't had problems. . so I suppose that's the biggest reason to consider it a 'beta'.

 

[BlackMountainCow]

Nice to see you post here Exci! TA would surely like to gain a bit on the leading team in R@H

 

[mrwizer]

Originally posted by: Exci
Howdy

They could very well be problems with 4.77. . however, since it hasn't impacted the performance of any of my workstations (which I'm sure we have a few having the same problem), I haven't been contacted.

My main thing to get across is that while there may be problems with work units, it doesn't do anything to the host computer. Sure, that computer may have been able to work on another project instead if it hadn't had problems. . so I suppose that's the biggest reason to consider it a 'beta'.

I agree. My computers have not had any problems. Even when the WU's get stuck in a loop, which again I am sure will be fixed very soon, the computer does not become impacted anymore than normal crunching (which with Rosetta is not noticeable). I think the app is very close to being released as stable, just a few issues that might make it hard to deploy and forget. Just for a little bit longer.

Hey, and while we are talking about it... are you affiliated with the Baker lab, or just another entity on the campus? I was just curious if you were just the guinea pigs, or the developers.

And either way, pass it on to the Baker lab about how great the project has been so far. I have not been a part of all the Beta's for BOINC, but my experience with this one has been great. Everything from the response time on the forums, to the speed at which you get new apps and fixes out, to your feedback already to the users. Keep it up and more will surely come!

 

[Exci]

Originally posted by: mrwizer
Hey, and while we are talking about it... are you affiliated with the Baker lab, or just another entity on the campus? I was just curious if you were just the guinea pigs, or the developers.

And either way, pass it on to the Baker lab about how great the project has been so far. I have not been a part of all the Beta's for BOINC, but my experience with this one has been great. Everything from the response time on the forums, to the speed at which you get new apps and fixes out, to your feedback already to the users. Keep it up and more will surely come!

Morning,
My closest affiliation to the Baker lab is that both our paychecks come from the U of Washington Well, maybe a bit more than that since I've been by their lab a few times and given presentations with them (most recently to the ~100 floor advisors in our dorms in an attempt to get them to participate). I suppose guinea pig is a good term, especially given the diversity of our computers.

Thanks for the comment about their project. . I'll pass it along, or you can post it on the message board. David Baker is the head honcho and he seems to be posting quite a bit.