Rove's Security Clearance Widely Questioned

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Harvey
INDICTMENT

14. On or about June 23, 2003, LIBBY met with New York Times reporter Judith Miller. During this meeting LIBBY was critical of the CIA, and disparaged what he termed "selective leaking" by the CIA concerning intelligence matters. In discussing the CIA's handling of Wilson's trip to Niger, LIBBY informed her that Wilson's wife might work at a bureau of the CIA.

What does that prove? She isn't even mentioned by name.

You are joking, right? The Wilsons don't live in Utah or Arizona, and they aren't Mormons. Exactly how many wives do you think Ambassador Joseph Wilson has? :shocked:

21. On or about July 10 or July 11, 2003, LIBBY spoke to a senior official in the White House ("Official A") who advised LIBBY of a conversation Official A had earlier that week with columnist Robert Novak in which Wilson's wife was discussed as a CIA employee involved in Wilson's trip. LIBBY was advised by Official A that Novak would be writing a story about Wilson's wife.

Are you grasping at straws, Harvey? So Libby was advised by "Official A" that a story was being written. This proves what, exactly?

As shown in the next quote, "Official A" has been identified as Karl Rove.

The Libby indictment also indicates that Rove spoke with syndicated columnist Robert Novak before his July 14, 2003, column cited two unnamed administration officials linking Plame to her husband's trip, the first time Plame's name made it into print. The indictment says that on July 10 or 11, 2003, "Official A" -- later identified by sources as Rove -- told Libby that he had spoken with Novak. "Libby was advised by Official A that Novak would be writing a story about Wilson's wife," the indictment says.

Where is the crime here? The fact that Rove spoke with Novak prior to the publication of the disputed column hardly infers a direct correlation between their discussion and Novak's column.[/quote]
If I'm grasping at straws, you're grasping at farts and actually grabbing solid material.

Cooper, after receiving permission from sources, testified before the grand jury and later said publicly that Rove and Libby had talked to him about Plame. But other reporters were contacted by other White House officials about Plame during the crucial week in July 2003 after Wilson's views became public, according to government officials and people involved in the case.

So it is Cooper's word against Rove and/or Libby. Where are the two in question admitting to the outing of a CIA operative, as you claim?[/quote]
Ummm... It's Cooper's word, along with Judith Miller and Robert Novak, all of whom confirmed that Rove or Libby directly named Valerie Plame, either by name or as "Joseph Wilson's wife."

Try sticking to facts, Harvey. Not spin, inference, speculation, and wishes.

You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass. You STILL haven't provided any link or other substantial documentation to support your lies so I'll say it again...

YOU'RE ALL MOUTH AND NO BALLS! :laugh:

I'm going to keep saying that until you prove different.

 

[slyedog]

there is a big difference between the words suspicion and indicted. but when you are narrow minded as fool bond is, i guess they are pretty close.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: slyedog
there is a big difference between the words suspicion and indicted. but when you are narrow minded as fool bond is, i guess they are pretty close.

Add a few other names to that list. This thread serves as a good example.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: slyedog
there is a big difference between the words suspicion and indicted. but when you are narrow minded as fool bond is, i guess they are pretty close.

You're too narrow minded to comprehend the written word.

The point of the article is; KKKarl doesn't have to be indicted to lose his security clearance. People have lost their security clearance for far less a breach than Rove committed. Without a security clearance KKKarl is useless.

Even without an indictment KKKarl can be removed from the White House. You people are just angry because Bush is about to lose his propaganda minister. :laugh:

Buh bye, KKKarl.

Insiders say Rove may leave White House

WASHINGTON, Nov. 6 (UPI) -- Karl Rove's colleagues are preparing for the possibility that he may leave the White House because of the CIA leak case.

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Despite the insistence of friends that he is out of legal jeopardy, several of the lawyers who deal with special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald believe Fitzgerald is continuing to look into the possibility of charging Rove with lying to investigators or the grand jury or both, Time magazine reports.

If that happens, Rove almost certainly would resign immediately.

Several Bush administration officials predict that within a year, the president will have a new chief of staff and press secretary, probably a new treasury secretary and maybe a new defense secretary, the magazine said.

If Rove does head out, he may leave behind a wounded president.

"A president who loves to hit home runs and wants to be remembered for swinging for the fences is being forced to take base hits," says a former White House official.

 

[Pabster]

What's this, Bondo desperately scanning the daily newstream for articles full of speculation, rumor, and innuendo?

If you're gonna dream, you might as well dream big.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
What's this, Bondo desperately scanning the daily newstream for articles full of speculation, rumor, and innuendo?

If you're gonna dream, you might as well dream big.

BBond may be dreaming big, but that's better than a lame troll like you who can't find ANY links to support his Bushwhacko lies.

Until you can do at least that much, YOU'RE STILL ALL MOUTH AND NO BALLS! :laugh:

< Awwwkkk > Pabster wanna cracker?

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: Harvey
YOU'RE STILL ALL MOUTH AND NO BALLS! :laugh:

< Awwwkkk > Pabster wanna cracker?

No, he isn't nuts, you are. You have yet to prove your claims. The burden is on you and you haven't reached any where close to proof, just your opinion, wishful thinking, and innuendo.

It is interesting that you have a parrot avatar, parrot fringe leftist rants about Bush, yet you try to suggest he is a parrot? :laugh:

 

[PELarson]

"'Bush's brain' is not Novak's 'secret source.' He is, however, the senior administration official who said,"Oh, you know about it," when asked by the columnist about Wilson's wife sending him to Niger."

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Rove_Official_A_Novaks_source_lawyers_1028.html

Is the minimal reason Karl Rove has lost the right to a security clearance of any form or fashion!


YOU DON"T DO THAT!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Harvey
YOU'RE STILL ALL MOUTH AND NO BALLS! :laugh:

< Awwwkkk > Pabster wanna cracker?

No, he isn't nuts, you are. You have yet to prove your claims. The burden is on you and you haven't reached any where close to proof, just your opinion, wishful thinking, and innuendo.

More fart gas from another admin apologist with no links or other documentation to prove anything he says. :roll:

Would you settle for [Rove's attorney's admission]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/10/AR2005071001000.html[/l]?

Rove Told Reporter of Plame's Role But Didn't Name Her, Attorney Says

By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, July 11, 2005; Page A01

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove spoke with at least one reporter about Valerie Plame's role at the CIA before she was identified as a covert agent in a newspaper column two years ago, but Rove's lawyer said yesterday that his client did not identify her by name.

Of course, this goes back to their laughable attempts to pretend there's any difference between calling her "Ambassador Wilson's wife," "Valerie Plame" or Valerie Wilson." If you buy that, I have a couple of bridges I'd like to sell you. :roll:

In fact, his testimony to Fitzgerald and the Grand Jury, Libby acknowledged that he discussed Valerie Plame/Wilson's identity as a CIA operative. The only question is whether to believe the testimony of every journalist he named or his discredited assertion that he first heard about it from those journalists. Of course, that's part of the basis of count 1 of his indictment:

32. It was part of the corrupt endeavor that during his grand jury testimony, defendant LIBBY made the following materially false and intentionally misleading statements and representations, in substance, under oath:

a. When LIBBY spoke with Tim Russert of NBC News, on or about July 10, 2003:

i. Russert asked LIBBY if LIBBY knew that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, and told LIBBY that all the reporters knew it; and

ii. At the time of this conversation, LIBBY was surprised to hear that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA;

b. LIBBY advised Matthew Cooper of Time magazine on or about July 12, 2003, that he had heard that other reporters were saying that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, and further advised him that LIBBY did not know whether this assertion was true; and

c. LIBBY advised Judith Miller of the New York Times on or about July 12, 2003 that he had heard that other reporters were saying that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA but LIBBY did not know whether that assertion was true.

33. It was further part of the corrupt endeavor that at the time defendant LIBBY made each of the above-described materially false and intentionally misleading statements and representations to the grand jury, LIBBY was aware that they were false, in that:

a. When LIBBY spoke with Tim Russert of NBC News on or about July 10, 2003:

i. Russert did not ask LIBBY if LIBBY knew that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, nor did he tell LIBBY that all the reporters knew it; and

ii. At the time of this conversation, LIBBY was well aware that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA; in fact, LIBBY had participated in multiple prior conversations concerning this topic, including on the following occasions:

• In or about early June 2003, LIBBY learned from the Vice President that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA in the Counterproliferation Division;
  
• On or about June 11, 2003, LIBBY was informed by a senior CIA officer that Wilson's wife was employed by the CIA and that the idea of sending him to Niger originated with her;
  
• On or about June 12, 2003, LIBBY was informed by the Under Secretary of State that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA;
  
• On or about June 14, 2003, LIBBY discussed "Joe Wilson" and "Valerie Wilson" with his CIA briefer, in the context of Wilson's trip to Niger;
  
• On or about June 23, 2003, LIBBY informed reporter Judith Miller that Wilson's wife might work at a bureau of the CIA;
  
• On or about July 7, 2003, LIBBY advised the White House Press Secretary that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA;
  
• In or about June or July 2003, and in no case later than on or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY was advised by the Assistant to the Vice President for Public Affairs that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA;
  
• On or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY advised reporter Judith Miller of his belief that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA; and
  
• On or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY had a discussion with the Counsel to the Office of the Vice President concerning the paperwork that would exist if a person who was sent on an overseas trip by the CIA had a spouse who worked at the CIA;
  
  b. LIBBY did not advise Matthew Cooper, on or about July 12, 2003, that LIBBY had heard other reporters were saying that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, nor did LIBBY advise him that LIBBY did not know whether this assertion was true; rather, LIBBY confirmed to Cooper, without qualification, that LIBBY had heard that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA; and
  
  c. LIBBY did not advise Judith Miller, on or about July 12, 2003, that LIBBY had heard other reporters were saying that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, nor did LIBBY advise her that LIBBY did not know whether this assertion was true;
  
  In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 15

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  I'm not insinuating anything. Both Rove and Libby have admitted they spoke to real journalists, as well as Robert Novak. That's public record. Libby and Rove claim they heard about Plame from the journalists. ALL of the journalists refute that and stated under oath that the information came from Libby or Rove.
  

  It is interesting that you have a parrot avatar, parrot fringe leftist rants about Bush, yet you try to suggest he is a parrot? :laugh:

  It's interesting that you think the color, shape and number of pixels in an avatar have any relevance to the truth behind the words in anyone's posts or in the documentation in their links. Guess that kind of logic is the best we can expect from anyone without the reading skills to understand the words on the screen.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
It is interesting that you have a parrot avatar, parrot fringe leftist rants about Bush, yet you try to suggest he is a parrot? :laugh:

I was going to note that, but we should let the old and senile rest in peace.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Harvey
BBond may be dreaming big, but that's better than a lame troll like you who can't find ANY links to support his Bushwhacko lies.

Birds of a feather flock together, eh? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

How 'bouts you and Bondy get together for a parrot session? Maybe between the two of you, one will manage to pull the other's head out.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
How 'bouts you and Bondy get together for a parrot session? Maybe between the two of you, one will manage to pull the other's head out.

Until you can post any links to back up your inane lies, YOU'RE STILL ALL MOUTH AND NO BALLS! :laugh: