Question RTX 4000/RX 7000 price speculation thread

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moonbogg

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My prediction: The entire generation will be 2-3X msrp on ebay and at retailers. RTX 3000 series will be sold along side the 4000 series because only a few will be buying RTX 4000 series who are willing to pay $1500 for what should be a $300 RTX 4060. Not enough supply to meet demand by a long shot, pricing will be through the Oort cloud. PC gaming is dead. Your thoughts?
 

lixlax

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I really don't like the trend of PC components getting more power hungry- the cost of electricity is one thing but also the added heat output, bigger/more complex coolers, PCBs, components etc will rise the costs (especially weird in the world where going green, sustainability, efficiency are big talking points). Basically anything below 150-200W can be soon considered low end. In mid 2000's the top end cards barely reached 100W and back then it seemed like a lot.

As for overall pricing I think many people will be in for a shock. My current expectation (Nvidia/AMD):
60/600 series ~500$ MSRP
70/700 series ~700$ MSRP
80/800 series ~1000-1200$ MSRP
90/900 series ~1500-2500$ MSRP
 

GodisanAtheist

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I really don't like the trend of PC components getting more power hungry- the cost of electricity is one thing but also the added heat output, bigger/more complex coolers, PCBs, components etc will rise the costs (especially weird in the world where going green, sustainability, efficiency are big talking points). Basically anything below 150-200W can be soon considered low end. In mid 2000's the top end cards barely reached 100W and back then it seemed like a lot.

As for overall pricing I think many people will be in for a shock. My current expectation (Nvidia/AMD):
60/600 series ~500$ MSRP
70/700 series ~700$ MSRP
80/800 series ~1000-1200$ MSRP
90/900 series ~1500-2500$ MSRP

-Agreed, the size of the heatsinks are the most distressing element of the creeping power trend IMO.

These 3.5 slot coolers are already absurd, I'm not enthused about what the future has in store for us.

Might need to update the PCI-E spec to build in an offset GPU brace on the motherboard to distribute card weight.
 
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If the heat output is only going to increase in future, they need to rethink the placement of the GPU in the case. Better to put the PCIe 4.0/5.0 x16 slot on the backside of the mobo PCB and let the GPU have its own ventilation space rather than making things hotter for the CPU and reducing its max turbo boost clocks.
 
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Golgatha

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-Agreed, the size of the heatsinks are the most distressing element of the creeping power trend IMO.

These 3.5 slot coolers are already absurd, I'm not enthused about what the future has in store for us.

Might need to update the PCI-E spec to build in an offset GPU brace on the motherboard to distribute card weight.

Yes, but I'm glad sufficient coolers come stock on AIB cards, so no more modding to get silence. I'm also glad we've gotten completely away from blower style coolers.
 
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Ajay

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-Agreed, the size of the heatsinks are the most distressing element of the creeping power trend IMO.

These 3.5 slot coolers are already absurd, I'm not enthused about what the future has in store for us.

Might need to update the PCI-E spec to build in an offset GPU brace on the motherboard to distribute card weight.
Really, there just needs to be another x16 PCIe slot (electrically connected or not) at position 3 on all gaming motherboards. Then a PCB tab could connect to a mechanical structure on the AIB and help support the weight. That was pretty universal when SLI/Crossfire were common place.
 

Stuka87

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Amazon (and others) now have many AMD cards listed for below MSRP. So if you have been holding out, or you need one before 7K series comes out, now is the time.
 
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VirtualLarry

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Amazon (and others) now have many AMD cards listed for below MSRP. So if you have been holding out, or you need one before 7K series comes out, now is the time.
AMD cards are "budget trash". Prove me wrong

/s

(but sure to be a recurring common argument for WHY they're all selling under MSRP... and still not showing up on the Steam survey.)
 
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moonbogg

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People don't buy AMD cards. They just don't. The only reason miners bought them is because the Nvidia cards were all sold out and most gamers just don't want them at all. It's like Nvidia cast a spell on people or something, but they always buy Nvidia no matter what. When I think of an AMD GPU being in my system, I imagine a cheap white square menu for the GPU settings that I'm not familiar with and probably doesn't even work right anyway, stuttering game performance with lots of people saying "they're working on it", VR just not working at all, random mystery crashes that seem to only apply to my specific hardware configuration because of the GPU that no one can help with (including AMD because their driver team consists of 5 dudes in a trailer office with no A/C), random glitches and programs not working that I always assumed would work no matter what, aaaand more.
You couldn't PAY me to use an AMD GPU. I might as well stick a pancake in my rig and hope for the best.
 

GodisanAtheist

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People don't buy AMD cards. They just don't. The only reason miners bought them is because the Nvidia cards were all sold out and most gamers just don't want them at all. It's like Nvidia cast a spell on people or something, but they always buy Nvidia no matter what. When I think of an AMD GPU being in my system, I imagine a cheap white square menu for the GPU settings that I'm not familiar with and probably doesn't even work right anyway, stuttering game performance with lots of people saying "they're working on it", VR just not working at all, random mystery crashes that seem to only apply to my specific hardware configuration because of the GPU that no one can help with (including AMD because their driver team consists of 5 dudes in a trailer office with no A/C), random glitches and programs not working that I always assumed would work no matter what, aaaand more.
You couldn't PAY me to use an AMD GPU. I might as well stick a pancake in my rig and hope for the best.

-*AHEM* it's 4 dudes and a goat in a camper van.
 

sze5003

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I said to myself I'll be good with a 3080Ti and I won't come in here but it's fun to speculate the inflated prices of the 4 series.

The only reason I'd want one is increased Vram for my flight sim setup because the software that runs it is very unoptimized and just eats whatever resources you throw at it.

I expect the 4080Ti or whatever it will be named in equivalence to cost similar to what they priced the 3090Ti.

I'm also expecting these to draw even more power. I had a seasonic X850 psu and when I went from 1080Ti to 3080Ti the transient load spikes while playing some games would cause my PC to reboot itself. This went away when I replaced the Seasonic with the 1000w EVGA G6.

Not to mention it will be just as difficult to get these new cards. Perhaps I could get myself into the EVGA step up pool or enter another EVGA queue because that's how I ended up with the 3080Ti in the first place.
 
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Ajay

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People don't buy AMD cards. They just don't. The only reason miners bought them is because the Nvidia cards were all sold out and most gamers just don't want them at all. It's like Nvidia cast a spell on people or something, but they always buy Nvidia no matter what. When I think of an AMD GPU being in my system, I imagine a cheap white square menu for the GPU settings that I'm not familiar with and probably doesn't even work right anyway, stuttering game performance with lots of people saying "they're working on it", VR just not working at all, random mystery crashes that seem to only apply to my specific hardware configuration because of the GPU that no one can help with (including AMD because their driver team consists of 5 dudes in a trailer office with no A/C), random glitches and programs not working that I always assumed would work no matter what, aaaand more.
You couldn't PAY me to use an AMD GPU. I might as well stick a pancake in my rig and hope for the best.
So, you actually haven't had one in you rig? Anyway, AMD has a very large team in China compared to the smaller one they had in the US. They seem to be making good headway from what I've read. That said, NV had the lead in driver developments and dev support so long, it'll be hard to reach parity. I'm willing to go AMD with my next upgrade (hopefully in the next 6 months if prices drop a bit more), and I've been a nvidiot for ~20 years.
 

moonbogg

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So, you actually haven't had one in you rig? Anyway, AMD has a very large team in China compared to the smaller one they had in the US. They seem to be making good headway from what I've read. That said, NV had the lead in driver developments and dev support so long, it'll be hard to reach parity. I'm willing to go AMD with my next upgrade (hopefully in the next 6 months if prices drop a bit more), and I've been a nvidiot for ~20 years.

I had a 9700 Pro.
 

Golgatha

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Lol! Well, that as some time ago…

My vanilla 980 I overclocked to XT speeds was pretty awesome. I had Crossfire 4850s that were pretty stable back in the day, as well as Crossfire 5850s. I think that's the point I bought nVidia cards almost exclusively going forward though.
 

CP5670

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The problem is that AMD was basically a no-show at the high end for many years. Now they actually have great cards, but people like me are too entrenched in the Nvidia ecosystem after using it for so long. I think a newer generation of gamers will eventually grow up around them though.

I had a X1900XTX back in the day, which was excellent. I recall it had better AF and image quality than the Nvidia 7000 cards, and it aged much better over time due to its shader power, being over twice as fast with later games. The only issue was the fan sounded like a lawnmower, but low noise was not a priority for card manufacturers back then.
 
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aigomorla

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I really hope the crypto crashes lasts until the 4090 release, so i can actually get one at MSRP without a stupid lottery, queue 9.0, or doing some dumb package deal where they throw in a exploding PSU with it.
 
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Ajay

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I'd like to get a 12GB RTX 3080 or 16GB RX 6800 XT. Prices are becoming sane, but I hope they'll drop another 20-25% as crypto crashes and NV and AMD's newest series hit the street. It's overkill for my current monitor, but I don't upgrade GPUs very often and want something that'll will give good framerates when I finally upgrade to a WQHD monitor. Have kicked myself for the past couple of years over not buying a 1080 Ti. Moor I candy pleaze
 
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moonbogg

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I really hope the crypto crashes lasts until the 4090 release, so i can actually get one at MSRP without a stupid lottery, queue 9.0, or doing some dumb package deal where they throw in a exploding PSU with it.

It's probably going to be so expensive that there will be plenty of stock to satisfy you and the other 5 dudes buying one.
 
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Leeea

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I am hoping for cheap flagships next go around.

The current gen seems to fall on its face with 4k, rarely getting over 100 fps in the games I want to play.

Thinking it will be the opposite of this gen, price will drop after launch day. Eth was where all the profit in mining was, and with that gone anyone who wants one likely will get something for this gen.
 
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