Question RTX 4000/RX 7000 price speculation thread

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moonbogg

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My prediction: The entire generation will be 2-3X msrp on ebay and at retailers. RTX 3000 series will be sold along side the 4000 series because only a few will be buying RTX 4000 series who are willing to pay $1500 for what should be a $300 RTX 4060. Not enough supply to meet demand by a long shot, pricing will be through the Oort cloud. PC gaming is dead. Your thoughts?
 

Hans Gruber

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I am just curious. Are some of the Ampere deals being posted for the 3080 and up selling out? Before the crazy crypto pricing, the 1080ti was $599 right around the time the 2080ti was released. I am on the fence with graphics cards. I need one but my need is not urgent.

There is supposedly a 3080 that is a rebranded 3080ti/3090ti variant with 20GB of vram. The chip will not qualify for the top line GPU's but does just fine as a 3080. The 20GB of video ram is Micron stuff. I cannot remember why it's 20GB of VRAM or if the GPU is actually out in the wild. Something about the PCB of the board with extra vram lanes/slots. Otherwise they would have to junk the chips. So Nvidia is supposedly making a 3080 with 20GB of vram.

TSMC would not let Nvidia out of their massive silicon allotment. Which means they really cannot delay the 4000 series cards. In addition they have a ton of unsold GPU's looking for new homes.

Definitely interesting times for Nvidia. Moving from Samsung silicon to TSMC 4nm. The rumors are (4000series) cards have massive core clock speed increases over ampere. The performance gains are supposed to be huge. I have also heard the RDNA 3 GPU's are supposed to offer huge performance gains as well.

So if I go the 4000 series route. It would be the 4070 for me. I need 16GB or more of VRAM because I have a triple monitor setup.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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I am just curious. Are some of the Ampere deals being posted for the 3080 and up selling out? Before the crazy crypto pricing, the 3080ti was $599 right around the time the 2080ti was released. I am on the fence with graphics cards. I need one but my need is not urgent.

There is supposedly a 3080 that is a rebranded 3080ti/3090ti variant with 20GB of vram. The chip will not qualify for the top line GPU's but does just fine as a 3080. The 20GB of video ram is Micron stuff. I cannot remember why it's 20GB of VRAM or if the GPU is actually out in the wild. Something about the PCB of the board with extra vram lanes/slots. Otherwise they would have to junk the chips. So Nvidia is supposedly making a 3080 with 20GB of vram.

TSMC would not let Nvidia out of their massive silicon allotment. Which means they really cannot delay the 4000 series cards. In addition they have a ton of unsold GPU's looking for new homes.

Definitely interesting times for Nvidia. Moving from Samsung silicon to TSMC 4nm. The rumors are (4000series) cards have massive core clock speed increases over ampere. The performance gains are supposed to be huge. I have also heard the RDNA 3 GPU's are supposed to offer huge performance gains as well.

So if I go the 4000 series route. It would be the 4070 for me. I need 16GB or more of VRAM because I have a triple monitor setup.

- Just. Wait. Nothing in the current gen is going to be worth more than $500 after the next gen releases, no matter how much it "sells" for currently. IMO primo buying time if you don't want to wait another 3 months post launch for supplies to stabilize is likely going to be October/November. I anticipate Christmas shopping season firesales on current gen to make room for mainsteam next gen.
 

jpiniero

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There is supposedly a 3080 that is a rebranded 3080ti/3090ti variant with 20GB of vram. The chip will not qualify for the top line GPU's but does just fine as a 3080.

There's nothing special about it I imagine. It's just 2 GB chips instead of 1 GB. At the time of the 3080's release 2 GB GDDR6X chips didn't exist.

Based upon the rumors it seemed like nVidia was trying to decide on a 3080 20 GB or a 12 GB model with a wider memory bus and 12 chips instead of 10. They chose the later.
 

dlerious

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I am just curious. Are some of the Ampere deals being posted for the 3080 and up selling out? Before the crazy crypto pricing, the 3080ti was $599 right around the time the 2080ti was released. I am on the fence with graphics cards. I need one but my need is not urgent.
Don't you have that backwards - 2080Ti at $599 after 3080 released? I don't think I've ever seen the 3080Ti going for $599 (at least new).
 

Hans Gruber

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Don't you have that backwards - 2080Ti at $599 after 3080 released? I don't think I've ever seen the 3080Ti going for $599 (at least new).
It's been a long night and day for me. I meant 1080ti. I changed it in my original post. But the 1080ti was $599 right around the (2080ti)Turing cards were released.
 

dlerious

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It's been a long night and day for me. I meant 1080ti. I changed it in my original post. But the 1080ti was $599 right around the (2080ti)Turing cards were released.
The 2080Ti dropped like a rock once the 3080 was released as well. It would be nice to see something similar with 30 series when 40 series launches, although I wouldn't be surprised if 4090 is the only one launched this year so they don't have to cut prices too much or too soon. Also wouldn't be surprised if the price of a 4090 was $2k.
 

Hans Gruber

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The 2080Ti dropped like a rock once the 3080 was released as well. It would be nice to see something similar with 30 series when 40 series launches, although I wouldn't be surprised if 4090 is the only one launched this year so they don't have to cut prices too much or too soon. Also wouldn't be surprised if the price of a 4090 was $2k.
Straight from anandtech circa 2017
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I am trying to add a little context of what the graphics card market was like before the crypto craziness. The MSRP was $599 for the 1080 and then dropped to $499 when the 1080Ti was released.

I guess Nvidia can say what they want about inflation. If people are not buying because they are burned out from the crazy prices for GPU's. They can explain it to their shareholders at the meeting. The economy is in the tank.

I plan on watching the GPU market for the next 3 or 4 months. I am 6-8 months out from Zen 4 or another upgrade. The GPU comes first.
 

jpiniero

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People bought USED 2080 Tis for $500. Not new. Normally nVidia would have a handle on supply to the point where the supply would be gone at the new products release. nVidia was selling the 2080 Ti FE for the original $1199 price until a day or two after the 3080's release.

I guess Nvidia can say what they want about inflation. If people are not buying because they are burned out from the crazy prices for GPU's. They can explain it to their shareholders at the meeting. The economy is in the tank.

People are buying. It's just that, yea, they are 2 years old now. People want new stuff. nVidia bought wafers from Samsung assuming they would be able to continue to sell to miners past Ada's release. There's probably an new LHR which I bet they will just leave unlocked.

Without the glut the 4090 would have been released months ago and the 4080 would have been available by now probably too.
 

Ranulf

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New leaks:


Supposedly they will be offering a 4090 24gb, 4080 16gb and 4080 12gb. Mid October for the 4090, mid Nov. for x80 cards.
 

Shmee

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New leaks:


Supposedly they will be offering a 4090 24gb, 4080 16gb and 4080 12gb. Mid October for the 4090, mid Nov. for x80 cards.
Hmm, obviously just leaks, but I thought the RTX 4000 were delayed until next year?
 

Aapje

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I wonder why the 12GB 4080 is not simply the 4070? It seems pretty cut down.

Nvidia seems to cut down everything below the 4090 Ti more than they did for the 3000 series, so they can keep similar pricing for each card tier, while actually increasing pricing per chip tier. I'm really hoping that AMD comes out with a winner and derails Nvidia's plans.

That said, I'm not convinced that the 12GB card is actually going to be a 4080. It may just be disinformation.

Hmm, obviously just leaks, but I thought the RTX 4000 were delayed until next year?

Announcement should be next week, 20th. I expect actual availability up to a month later.
 
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jpiniero

Lifer
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I wonder why the 12GB 4080 is not simply the 4070? It seems pretty cut down.

It would be the 4070 Ti, in comparison to Ampere. But the 980, 1080 and 2080 were the full xx104. So it's not really an outlier, Ampere is the outlier.

It is true they could have called the 12 GB the 4070 Ti. But since people are going to get hung up on names, and since the 4080 16 GB is probably going to be $999 (with maybe a fake MSRP of $899) that is a big price increase for a card called 4080. Hence the 4080 12 GB.
 

Aapje

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With PCIe 5.0, does VRAM even matter now?

Yes, it definitely will, even just because the latency to the VRAM is much better than to the RAM.

I expect that if AMD will have PCIe 5, it will run less than 1% faster in a PCIe 5 slot than in a PCIe 4 slot.

Rumor has it that 4000-series is STILL "only" PCI-E 4.0.
More than a rumor, it is on the leaked packaging.
 
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I expect that if AMD will have PCIe 5, it will run less than 1% faster in a PCIe 5 slot than in a PCIe 4 slot.
I expect AMD to be more practical minded. If they are going with PCIe 5.0, they have something special cooked up in their drivers to take full advantage of it, rather than just a checklist feature.
 
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